Challenging for a penalty

[crablegs1]

I think this is wrong. The Hall match was a travesty imo and the better wrestler lost. The other major sports do not allow this. You can't replay for holding or pass interference in the NFL or a foul in the NBA.

This should be changed.

 

[ping72]

I dunno. The only reason Valencia got the takedown was because he put Hall off balance by grabbing the face mask.

A fair argument could be made that it would be a travesty if a wrestler lost because the ref missed a penalty that could easily be removed.

As long as they're very objective calls (locked hands, headgear) instead of subjective ones I think it's ok.

 

[wneff]

It was OK when they overturned the locked hands call.

 

[MNkids2IA]

83% of the time the refs will see this without the coach having to challenge.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

I think this is wrong. The Hall match was a travesty imo and the better wrestler lost. The other major sports do not allow this. You can't replay for holding or pass interference in the NFL or a foul in the NBA.

This should be changed.

The real problem in that match was shots were 50-0 in favor of Valencia and Hall only got 1 stall warning.

 

[The catman]

The bottom line is that Carl saw a violation that resulted in points. The video backed it up. I am glad that the right call was made (unlike last year when Bo ripped Brunson to his back).
I really though Hall and Joseph would get bounced last night. Shows what I know. Anyone wrestling against Carl's fun loving matsters tonight risks death to their dreams. This includes Imar and Dean.

 

[crablegs1]

The real problem in that match was shots were 50-0 in favor of Valencia and Hall only got 1 stall warning.

This is part of the reason I thought this was so bad for sure.

Another thing is I think this was incidental on Valencia's part. Sure, maybe don't award the takedown Andrew put them back on their feet, but it was a shame to penalize the only guy who had taken a shot and give Hall the match on a technicality.

 

[pablow]

I thought it was a clear headgear grab that allowed Valencia to get the takedown. The TV crew acted like Cael and Casey were geniuses to see it - how could anyone miss it? Pendleton had to yell at the dumb refs for 30 seconds to get them to run the clock back. Holy cow!

 

[Gusaford]

Had to call it. If it had been a Hawk in Hall's shoes, you'd want the same call made. Agree that the refs swallowed their whistle on Hall's lack of activity on offense.

 

[FrontHeadlock2]

Had to call it. If it had been a Hawk in Hall's shoes, you'd want the same call made. Agree that the refs swallowed their whistle on Hall's lack of activity on offense.

This is the exact right analysis.

 

[PSUcup1]

Hall was hit twice for stalling

 

[crablegs1]

Just keep thinking on this and it should be called like leg fouls in Greco. If it is the offensive guy, you stop the action and put them back in starting position. If the defensive guy uses it to stop an offensive move it is a point.

 

[Gusaford]

Hall was hit twice for stalling

Second stall was with the clock winding down when it didn't matter.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

This is part of the reason I thought this was so bad for sure.

Another thing is I think this was incidental on Valencia's part. Sure, maybe don't award the takedown Andrew put them back on their feet, but it was a shame to penalize the only guy who had taken a shot and give Hall the match on a RULE VIOLATION.

FIFY

 

[bbwretler]

It was OK when they overturned the locked hands call.

Since you brought it up. Was fairly apparent that there was no locked hands and how many times do you see the side judge make a call? Especially a call that didn't actually happen. Maybe he saw what he WANTED to see!

 

[ih8iast8]

My problem is if you are going to review, get it right. They got it right in this case but can't catch it when it is obvious.

Bottom line, review is killing this sport that is terribly dependent on conditioning.

 

[DirkTang1]

83% of the time the refs will see this without the coach having to challenge.

 

[dtripp26]

I think this is wrong. The Hall match was a travesty imo and the better wrestler lost. The other major sports do not allow this. You can't replay for holding or pass interference in the NFL or a foul in the NBA.

This should be changed.

I disagree completely. This was a clear violation and replay was utilized precisely as it was intended to be. The same can be said for the locked hands call.

 

[bbwretler]

Had to call it. If it had been a Hawk in Hall's shoes, you'd want the same call made. Agree that the refs swallowed their whistle on Hall's lack of activity on offense.

You are absolutly right we would want it called as in the Clark match in the big ten tournament where the ref saw it but then decided maybe since the side ref didn't it was ok to ignore it and didn't bother to go to the monitor for validation.

 

[crablegs1]

I disagree completely. This was a clear violation and replay was utilized precisely as it was intended to be. The same can be said for the locked hands call.

There is a reason the NFL and NBA don't allow challenges for these situations.

I agree it was clear, but the rule is also stupid. Horrible way to lose a match because Valencia's finger got accidentally caught in Hall's head gear. And the fact it could be challenged just makes it worse.

 

[AFHawk86]

It was OK when they overturned the locked hands call.

I think Gilman would have been better off if the locked hands call WASN'T overturned. It would have forced him to have a different mentality with respect to being offensive minded instead of protecting a lead.

 

[elvis63]

They have the rule for the same reason as they have it in football. It can cause a a serious injury, so even if by accident it will still be a serious violation.

 

[ih8iast8]

I think Gilman would have been better off if the locked hands call WASN'T overturned. It would have forced him to have a different mentality with respect to being offensive minded instead of protecting a lead.

& piss him off that they f'd up the call.

I've been thinking the same thing all morning but what is done is done. Hopefully he comes out fighting this am.

 

[crablegs1]

They have the rule for the same reason as they have it in football. It can cause a a serious injury, so even if by accident it will still be a serious violation.

But you can't challenge a face mask.

 

[horraybeer]

But you can't challenge a face mask.

Who cares, this isn't football.

 

[Tcalumet]

I dunno. The only reason Valencia got the takedown was because he put Hall off balance by grabbing the face mask.

A fair argument could be made that it would be a travesty if a wrestler lost because the ref missed a penalty that could easily be removed.

As long as they're very objective calls (locked hands, headgear) instead of subjective ones I think it's ok.

I agree only though I think they should limit the number of challenges a bit more because some coaches are using them to give there wrestler a breather.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

This is part of the reason I thought this was so bad for sure.

Another thing is I think this was incidental on Valencia's part. Sure, maybe don't award the takedown Andrew put them back on their feet, but it was a shame to penalize the only guy who had taken a shot and give Hall the match on a technicality.

Where was this post after Wilke beat the Penn kid.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Just keep thinking on this and it should be called like leg fouls in Greco. If it is the offensive guy, you stop the action and put them back in starting position. If the defensive guy uses it to stop an offensive move it is a point.

Should the rule have been changed mid match or should they have applied the rule as it is now?

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

I think this is wrong. The Hall match was a travesty imo and the better wrestler lost. The other major sports do not allow this. You can't replay for holding or pass interference in the NFL or a foul in the NBA.

This should be changed.

There are penalties in the NFL and NBA that can be reviewed. But college wrestling is not professional football or basketball so it really doesn't matter.

 

[crablegs1]

Where was this post after Wilke beat the Penn kid.

Didn't watch the match so no comment.

 

[crablegs1]

Should the rule have been changed mid match or should they have applied the rule as it is now?

If it was applied correctly, it's a bad rule.

 

[Sett1997]

Challenges are out of control. They need to get rid of them. Coaches use them as time outs when their wrestlers are gassed. Hurts people like Meyers with huge gas tanks.

 

[AFHawk86]

I just learned a new tactic. Poke your opponent in the eye during OT and get to choose the down position. Escape and win!

 

[OL119]

The real problem in that match was shots were 50-0 in favor of Valencia and Hall only got 1 stall warning.

This is the real problem in every Hall match against a top opponent. His counter style is very boring to watch.

 

[Czech Hawk]

-Nevils last match was - crap, it gave him the match. I do not think it was intentional
-Cash match - that guy blew it. He should have known better. He was trying to jump the whistle after two times. You have to know better
-Hall match. I am totally fine with that and I prefer a challenge like that over them doing it so their wrestler can catch a breather. Damn right I wanted it in the Clark v Nato match.
-I want my team to earn the wins. One reason I dislike basketball is all the crap flopping they do.