Chaos as schools try to reopen; COVID cases everywhere. Football anyone?

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[MepoDawg#]

What’s the actual positivity rate versus just possible exposure? That would be more accurate and telling rather saying 9 positives so we sent 500 home. Is it spreading within the schools or are they getting it somewhere else?

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

Ohh this sounds like a fresh, interesting take on the situation.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Ohh this sounds like a fresh, interesting take on the situation.

Yes nice false premise from the story that we can somehow prevent spread of a virus. We can't. Sheltering the healthy people in place has never been a strategy for comabating a virus.

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

Yes nice false premise from the story that we can somehow prevent spread of a virus. We can't. Sheltering the healthy people in place has never been a strategy for comabating a virus.

It’s almost like both sides of the argument have been beaten to death, so let’s get on with another subject. I can’t take it any longer.

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

Yes nice false premise from the story that we can somehow prevent spread of a virus. We can't. Sheltering the healthy people in place has never been a strategy for comabating a virus.

Did you try doing some research, or did you just assume? In fact, many locations did shelter-in-place during the Spanish Flu pandemic. Link

 

[H4wkfan4life]

It’s almost like both sides of the argument have been beaten to death, so let’s get on with another subject. I can’t take it any longer.

All lives matter!!!

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

All lives matter!!!

You know, I have some interesting thoughts on that subject...

 

[Eternal Return]

Won't players have just as much of a chance to get COVID in in-person classes as they would have had they played football? The only "student-first" safety policy that makes sense is to have online learning without in-person classes and to shut down dorms and the like. There are going to be plenty of students and football players who get COVID just going to college campuses and, even with online classes, players who are now not playing will be even more likely to attend parties than they would have been had they been under a more structured environment that a fall football season provides--there would have been peer pressure to not go out and jeopardize the season (I would think).

 

[Hawkeye999]

New rule: No more COVID-19 threads.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

Dude.....eatabowladicks

 

[arizonahawkI]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

Hey Chicken Little this is a sports site political grandstand for a bunch of whiners

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Ari, do you mean "everywhere" geographically as in Covid is present everywhere in the US? True but not relevant to risk projection. Or do you mean everywhere as in prevalent in the population?

Just to keep the facts straight, and Legend I remembered to multiply by 100 this time. Total cases as of today: 5,353,608. Total recovered:
2,698,129. For current risk the "recovered" is defined by the CDC as virus no longer present hence biologically cannot spread the virus. Difference is 2,698,129 active cases. Divide that by current US population 330,122,509. The quotient is 0.0080439198406795. Now, I remembered to multiply the quotient by 100. The result is .804%.

That means fewer than 1 in every hundred people have the virus. So active Covid patients are rare not everywhere. Getting the age breakdown is proving difficult, but hospitalizations in the 18-29 range are 27.1 per 100,000. That increases to 52.5/100,000 in 30-39, then increases by over 50% when you hit the 40-49 age group (84.5/100,000) and increases dramatically every decade thereafter.

Using a linear correlation of % hospitalizations and % infected by age, and analyzing with an Aristotelian syllogism, it would appear that the risk of contracting Covid among the players is extremely low and the risk of becoming sufficiently ill to require a hospital stay are around .0271 or a 99.9729% chance of not becoming seriously ill. This is the risk that cancelled the season and killed the livelihoods of millions of vendors, parking sellers, network employees, and all the other downstream people that disappear without playing the season.

The football player's risk is increased by contact but diminished by general good health and fitness.

In short, the risk to the players is statistically trivial, the risk of serious illness even less and the risk of death almost infitnisimal. I'm sure the coaches are willing to accept whatever risk they face. And, everyone has a choice if they're afraid, don't play or coach and the frightened fan can just stay home. No one imposes the risk on anyone.

That response seems a little more scientific and morally fair to the 99% who don't have Covid and face little risk of contracting it. Its John Stuart Mill and Milton Friedman vs. Marx, Lenin and Obama. Or, in the immortal words of Geddy Lee:

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will​

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

The Spanish flu is a great analog. There were 6 million cases of Spanish flu in 1918/1919 midyear/midyear. Total deaths were around 675,000. Almost a third of the deaths happened in one month, October 1918 (200,00). The total US population was only 100,000,000 at the time.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Sorry to politically grandstand but just cannot let the leftie hysteria go unrefuted. Someone might read it and actually believe it.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

Take your political crap and your lame signature line to the cesspool known as HROT. We get it you hate trump...

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

You posted this before noon and in 8 hours, 0 likes. No on wants to hear you, please go away.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

You posted this before noon and in 8 hours, 0 likes. No on wants to hear you, please go away.

Its important for the lefties to spread their dystopian mythologies as long as the forum allows you to crush them, unlike Facebook. The left requires censorship because they cannot withstand minimal intellectual scrutiny. So let's let 'em spread the bullshit and then just bury it.

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

Won't players have just as much of a chance to get COVID in in-person classes as they would have had they played football? The only "student-first" safety policy that makes sense is to have online learning without in-person classes and to shut down dorms and the like. There are going to be plenty of students and football players who get COVID just going to college campuses and, even with online classes, players who are now not playing will be even more likely to attend parties than they would have been had they been under a more structured environment that a fall football season provides--there would have been peer pressure to not go out and jeopardize the season (I would think).

That all sounds right. A lot of schools are going on-line for the fall semester. It sounds like the Hawks were doing everything as well as they could for now, but it would be tough to add in-person classes and the temptations of college life. They would need to be in a bubble and have all of their opponents do the same.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Did you try doing some research, or did you just assume? In fact, many locations did shelter-in-place during the Spanish Flu pandemic. Link

They still played college football......

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

The Spanish flu is a great analog. There were 6 million cases of Spanish flu in 1918/1919 midyear/midyear. Total deaths were around 675,000. Almost a third of the deaths happened in one month, October 1918 (200,00). The total US population was only 100,000,000 at the time.

And they still played college football...........

 

[MesaClone]

Ari, do you mean "everywhere" geographically as in Covid is present everywhere in the US? True but not relevant to risk projection. Or do you mean everywhere as in prevalent in the population?

Just to keep the facts straight, and Legend I remembered to multiply by 100 this time. Total cases as of today: 5,353,608. Total recovered:
2,698,129. For current risk the "recovered" is defined by the CDC as virus no longer present hence biologically cannot spread the virus. Difference is 2,698,129 active cases. Divide that by current US population 330,122,509. The quotient is 0.0080439198406795. Now, I remembered to multiply the quotient by 100. The result is .804%.

That means fewer than 1 in every hundred people have the virus. So active Covid patients are rare not everywhere. Getting the age breakdown is proving difficult, but hospitalizations in the 18-29 range are 27.1 per 100,000. That increases to 52.5/100,000 in 30-39, then increases by over 50% when you hit the 40-49 age group (84.5/100,000) and increases dramatically every decade thereafter.

Using a linear correlation of % hospitalizations and % infected by age, and analyzing with an Aristotelian syllogism, it would appear that the risk of contracting Covid among the players is extremely low and the risk of becoming sufficiently ill to require a hospital stay are around .0271 or a 99.9729% chance of not becoming seriously ill. This is the risk that cancelled the season and killed the livelihoods of millions of vendors, parking sellers, network employees, and all the other downstream people that disappear without playing the season.

The football player's risk is increased by contact but diminished by general good health and fitness.

In short, the risk to the players is statistically trivial, the risk of serious illness even less and the risk of death almost infitnisimal. I'm sure the coaches are willing to accept whatever risk they face. And, everyone has a choice if they're afraid, don't play or coach and the frightened fan can just stay home. No one imposes the risk on anyone.

That response seems a little more scientific and morally fair to the 99% who don't have Covid and face little risk of contracting it. Its John Stuart Mill and Milton Friedman vs. Marx, Lenin and Obama. Or, in the immortal words of Geddy Lee:

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will​

Dude. Just drop the mic and walk off the stage.

Best post I've read on the subject in a VERY long time...just plain beautiful.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Won't players have just as much of a chance to get COVID in in-person classes as they would have had they played football? The only "student-first" safety policy that makes sense is to have online learning without in-person classes and to shut down dorms and the like. There are going to be plenty of students and football players who get COVID just going to college campuses and, even with online classes, players who are now not playing will be even more likely to attend parties than they would have been had they been under a more structured environment that a fall football season provides--there would have been peer pressure to not go out and jeopardize the season (I would think).

That's been asked a million times.

Quick answer=folks running things are often morons

 

[H4wkfan4life]

You posted this before noon and in 8 hours, 0 likes. No on wants to hear you, please go away.

Hours to likes ratio? Never heard that one before!

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

So let's play a game.....

There's 3 families that live next door to each other, who decide to stock up on supplies and stay in their homes for 3 weeks.

Two of the families stay in their homes the entire time, however, during the third week, one family allows their children to go outside and play in their yard, which has been left untouched by humans since they started their quarantine, as have the other families' yards.

Following the end of those 3 weeks, all 3 families have a meet-up at one of the families' that stayed inside all 3 weeks. Everything seems fine and the families enjoy a fun day together.

Just four days later several of the kids are sick along with one of the moms and another family's dad. They go to the doctor's office. Coronavirus confirmed.

How did those people get coronavirus?

 

[JayIrwin95]

Wow. What a surprise. That's as shocking as Trump telling a lie.

College football players go to school--at least, they're supposed to. They play a contact, close-up sport. Yet some conferences and some fans think it's dumb to cancel fall football in the face of a pandemic. Well, they're entitled to their opinion. It's just that such an opinion lacks one iota of evidence to support it, and that's how, in the olden days, people evaluated opinions.

Here's the link to the story, FWIW: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...-home-as-covid-spreads/ar-BB17X74O?li=BBnb7Kz

"When did we get so afraid of dying, we forgot how to live"

While you sit in fear begging for you delusional sense of safety. I want to get on living.

 

[papabeef]

Take your political crap and your lame signature line to the cesspool known as HROT. We get it you hate trump...

as a whole bunch of us do .

 

[Bayleehawk]

Ari, do you mean "everywhere" geographically as in Covid is present everywhere in the US? True but not relevant to risk projection. Or do you mean everywhere as in prevalent in the population?

Just to keep the facts straight, and Legend I remembered to multiply by 100 this time. Total cases as of today: 5,353,608. Total recovered:
2,698,129. For current risk the "recovered" is defined by the CDC as virus no longer present hence biologically cannot spread the virus. Difference is 2,698,129 active cases. Divide that by current US population 330,122,509. The quotient is 0.0080439198406795. Now, I remembered to multiply the quotient by 100. The result is .804%.

That means fewer than 1 in every hundred people have the virus. So active Covid patients are rare not everywhere. Getting the age breakdown is proving difficult, but hospitalizations in the 18-29 range are 27.1 per 100,000. That increases to 52.5/100,000 in 30-39, then increases by over 50% when you hit the 40-49 age group (84.5/100,000) and increases dramatically every decade thereafter.

Using a linear correlation of % hospitalizations and % infected by age, and analyzing with an Aristotelian syllogism, it would appear that the risk of contracting Covid among the players is extremely low and the risk of becoming sufficiently ill to require a hospital stay are around .0271 or a 99.9729% chance of not becoming seriously ill. This is the risk that cancelled the season and killed the livelihoods of millions of vendors, parking sellers, network employees, and all the other downstream people that disappear without playing the season.

The football player's risk is increased by contact but diminished by general good health and fitness.

In short, the risk to the players is statistically trivial, the risk of serious illness even less and the risk of death almost infitnisimal. I'm sure the coaches are willing to accept whatever risk they face. And, everyone has a choice if they're afraid, don't play or coach and the frightened fan can just stay home. No one imposes the risk on anyone.

That response seems a little more scientific and morally fair to the 99% who don't have Covid and face little risk of contracting it. Its John Stuart Mill and Milton Friedman vs. Marx, Lenin and Obama. Or, in the immortal words of Geddy Lee:

You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will​

This post is brilliant. Thank you for the effort. 1/2 the people on this forum appreciate it more than you know.

 

[twindman]

Just saw some interesting stats. In 2017 for the whole year there were 7700 total deaths per day in the USA. Until the end July this year there were 7400 total deaths. Where are all the massive deaths from COVID????

 

[papabeef]

So let's play a game.....

There's 3 families that live next door to each other, who decide to stock up on supplies and stay in their homes for 3 weeks.

Two of the families stay in their homes the entire time, however, during the third week, one family allows their children to go outside and play in their yard, which has been left untouched by humans since they started their quarantine, as have the other families' yards.

Following the end of those 3 weeks, all 3 families have a meet-up at one of the families' that stayed inside all 3 weeks. Everything seems fine and the families enjoy a fun day together.

Just four days later several of the kids are sick along with one of the moms and another family's dad. They go to the doctor's office. Coronavirus confirmed.

How did those people get coronavirus?

they didnt . this is make believe .

 

[DodgerHawki]

Dude. Just drop the mic and walk off the stage.

Best post I've read on the subject in a VERY long time...just plain beautiful.

This x 1000

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

they didnt . this is make believe .

And that's why we should play college football..........

 

[Kurt Warner]

Op proves once again why he's considered an idiot

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Dude. Just drop the mic and walk off the stage.

Best post I've read on the subject in a VERY long time...just plain beautiful.

Thank you. The clearest division in American politics, and it touches every issue in everyone's life.

The political left simply believe things that are manifestly untrue if it advances the cause of their communist/dirt worshiping revolution. The actual facts kill them. Unfortunately most right side politicians are gutless pussies. Kevin Bacon in Animal House. You called me a racist, may I have another, sir.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

So let's play a game.....

There's 3 families that live next door to each other, who decide to stock up on supplies and stay in their homes for 3 weeks.

Two of the families stay in their homes the entire time, however, during the third week, one family allows their children to go outside and play in their yard, which has been left untouched by humans since they started their quarantine, as have the other families' yards.

Following the end of those 3 weeks, all 3 families have a meet-up at one of the families' that stayed inside all 3 weeks. Everything seems fine and the families enjoy a fun day together.

Just four days later several of the kids are sick along with one of the moms and another family's dad. They go to the doctor's office. Coronavirus confirmed.

How did those people get coronavirus?

They got tested at a lab that's funding is dependent on producing ever more positive results.

 

[Eternal Return]

That's been asked a million times.

Quick answer=folks running things are often morons

lolololol. Well, there's no doubt there are idiots running things in this country. That's been painfully clear for a while now. ...

 

[MesaClone]

lolololol. Well, there's no doubt there are idiots running things in this country. That's been painfully clear for a while now. ...

Well...at least in the House of Reps anyway.

 

[Eternal Return]

Well...at least in the House of Reps anyway.

Oh, I think we all know that the idiots running things extend well beyond the House of Reps.

 

[MesaClone]

Oh, I think we all know that the idiots running things extend well beyond the House of Reps.

True, if we're talking BIG picture it certainly extends down to many of the Governor's mansions and legislatures.

 

[Hawkeye Marching Band]

And they still played college football...........

Yes, they did. Gary Barta shared a great photo from Kinnick - fans in the stands all wearing masks. Don't forget, though, that the deadly second wave started in October, during the middle of the season. It would be good to know what kind of safety measures teams took, if any, and the relative role athletics had in spreading the virus.