Tell that to the average "individualistic" American.Face masks are not draconian.
No plan was ever going to work because this country is stupid. Period.
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Tell that to the average "individualistic" American.Face masks are not draconian.
Agree. An easy mitigation measure that would have drove down the infection rate. Shouldn't even be a debate....Face masks are not draconian. Closing businesses and SIP orders were draconian. That’s what caused small business owners to lose their life’s work and sent tens of millions into unemployment and more tens of millions into depression. Bankruptcies, crime, drug abuse; these are real consequences that we will feel for years.
Face masks should have been a no-brainer.
He must be in vacation hiking in the Urals Or something today....Oh Jesus. Here comes Joe with his MIS-C post. In 3.....2......1.....
Jesus. If Biden gets elected are you going to sniff kids hair like he does?Perhaps the most important of those draconian measures you speak of, wearing a face covering, would have been easily accepted by almost all Americans if Donald Trump had embraced wearing a face covering back in February/early March. His cult would have fallen right in line, most likely.
Maybe it's not a good comparison, but I wonder how many Americans refused to adopt the strict measures the nation was expected to follow after Pearl Harbor to help win the WW2?
Tell that to the average "individualistic" American.
No plan was ever going to work because this country is stupid. Period.
remember a month ago when 50,000 rioters and protesters were huddled together throwing rocks at police? That might have helped spread this virus too, but I know you’re much more concerned about a few Christians trying to socially-distance inside a church.
I have said this before, but never before have I felt that this country has as serious a leadership void as I do now. I'm not just talking about Trump FTR. It is at all levels, Federal, state, and even local. I would even throw many private companies in there as well.But our politicians have made no attempt to approach this thoughtfully.
Jesus. If Biden gets elected are you going to sniff kids hair like he does?
I have said this before, but never before have I felt that this country has as serious a leadership void as I do now. I'm not just talking about Trump FTR. It is at all levels, Federal, state, and even local. I would even throw many private companies in there as well.
I have no idea what happened but current leadership in this country is downright awful.
I have said this before, but never before have I felt that this country has as serious a leadership void as I do now. I'm not just talking about Trump FTR. It is at all levels, Federal, state, and even local. I would even throw many private companies in there as well.
I have no idea what happened but current leadership in this country is downright awful.
I would agree with that.Let’s be honest, current leadership is bad but half the population would hate a good leader too.
Face masks are not draconian. Closing businesses and SIP orders were draconian. That’s what caused small business owners to lose their life’s work and sent tens of millions into unemployment and more tens of millions into depression. Bankruptcies, crime, drug abuse; these are real consequences that we will feel for years.
Face masks should have been a no-brainer.
Politicians may be partially to blame but the experts (Fauci, CDC and WHO) all said that masks were ineffective and not to wear them. They later reversed their recommendation.I think we could have gotten Americans to buy off on it. I still think it could be salvaged if we ran PSA’s with NASCAR drivers and country music stars telling their fan base it’s good to wear face masks. Perhaps give away masks with a flag and angry bald eagle emblazoned on them.
But our politicians have made no attempt to approach this thoughtfully.
The only one there that is not a woman that rebuffed an unwanted advance, at worst, was the 13 year old with Epstein, and that one evaporated. Anything further on that is conjecture. This is piling on by a bunch of libtards that do not like Donald. Who has not misread the moment and made unwanted advances.That's the best you have? Would you like to talk about the 20+ women who have accused Trump of sexual abuse? How about the massive payout to Stormy and Karen? Perhaps the rape accusation against Trump and Epstein made by a 13 year old?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped
Those same experts also encouraged people to gather and protest in major cities across America.Politicians may be partially to blame but the experts (Fauci, CDC and WHO) all said that masks were ineffective and not to wear them. They later reversed their recommendation.
Politicians may be partially to blame but the experts (Fauci, CDC and WHO) all said that masks were ineffective and not to wear them. They later reversed their recommendation.
Yep...a few of us had this right from the beginning when the dust started to settle on what C19 was. It’s too bad the 20 somethings (bc they are 20 year olds) and MAGAs couldn’t keep up and follow along. Now we are likely to have sporadic k-12 schooling and no CFB this fall...effing jerks!
According to multiple studies in this article. If this is in fact the case, why aren't we hearing about this in the media and why would it be necessary to close schools?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.htm
Those same experts also encouraged people to gather and protest in major cities across America.
Really? Show me the quote(s) where Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and/or the World Health Organization encouraged people to gather and protest in major cities across America.Those same experts also encouraged people to gather and protest in major cities across America.
They said that because there were no masks to give out to the public. There wasn't even enough for the hospitals. There was a run on toilet paper, what do you think would have happened if people had been told to wear a mask. The experts had no other option than to tell people they didn't need a mask and to just stay at home.
The only article I found related to Swedish schools and transmission:Sweden never closed their schools below high school. Never required any mitigation efforts. Sweden has had a number of school related outbreaks.
Wow, some of you people are just nuts. You're mad because you think the experts are to blame for the shutdowns. Now you mad and blaming the experts for people getting together. You do know the experts have no actual say in government decisions, right? If you want to blame someone, blame the WH.
The CDC has been awful through all this. Just awful.They did more than that. They said masks weren't effective, and might even do more harm than good. The CDC had that on an FAQ page on their website for a week after they changed their message to advocating masks.
But why won’t the MAINSTREAM MEDIA REPORT THIS!!!!’??!!!!????Watched the show immediately after Morning Joe on MSNBC yesterday. Had a panel of five pediatricians that discussed just this and about opening schools. All five panelists said they'd send their own kids back to school....reporter seemed shocked at the answers.
They do have some blame here too.Blame the White House? For what?
The CDC never said masks could do more harm. They simply encouraged those who were healthcare workers or were sick to wear masks, AND that these guidelines could change with more data on the transmission of the virus.They did more than that. They said masks weren't effective, and might even do more harm than good. The CDC had that on an FAQ page on their website for a week after they changed their message to advocating masks.
Blame the White House? For what?
They do have some blame here too.
They downplayed this thing a lot in the beginning and still do to some extent. They do not lead by example and they certainly haven't helped bring a united front. They did actually put out a decent re-opening plan but then basically shit on it the very next day with Trump's "liberate" tweet and then they more or less dumped the plan.
For total lack of leadership. For denying the virus was a big deal. For not helping the states as needed. False claims about the virus and medications. I could go on but maybe it would be better for you to state what they've done right.
They shut down travel fro China as soon as the 8 cases happened in Washington. They shut down travel from Europe with virtually no warning very early. They sent a Navy Medical ship to NY/NJ that got almost no use. They ordered emergency production of ventilators. They fastracked approval of drugs and treatments, and have fastracked vaccine research and testing.
They failed in all the ways srams21 said. Trump has done an extremely poor job in his message, and by the example he sets. But to just say we need to blame the WH is pure politics. COVID-19 doesn't care about political affiliation, or if Fauci or the CDC are right or wrong.
You, or others might say, "well we know more now than we did then". And I'll say you are exactly right. It's easy to be an armchair QB.
Fair enough.
There was very little testing going on at the airports, people were videoing how they were able to get through security without any type of test. All WH did was give false statements. They still can't get everyone tested. The Navy ship was a joke. Before sending the ship wouldn't it make more sense to know what to use it for. Just a waste of money. States were having to out bid each other for medical equipment. Bad equipment was being shipped to the states. Big deal they remove some regulation for drugs, that didn't take any effort. Trump talked about fake medication and UV light. It was total BS what was done and has been done. The States are driving this and the WH is trying to downplay the virus. I agree this isn't about politics, it's about handling a problem correctly, and this WH hasn't done that. If anyone is being political, it's trump. He's the person who blames the democrats for the virus.
There's no need in discussing it further. It's clear you are motivated by politics. Please show me evidence that Trump has blamed Democrats for the virus. The Chinese don't count as Democrats unless you're Rush Limbaugh.
On February 29th, Fauci was quoted in the NEJM as saying this wasn't something the general public needed to be worried about.
Got any links on this? Timelines?They shut down travel fro China as soon as the 8 cases happened in Washington. They shut down travel from Europe with virtually no warning very early.
The CDC never said masks could do more harm. They simply encouraged those who were healthcare workers or were sick to wear masks, AND that these guidelines could change with more data on the transmission of the virus.
More data was obtained, guidelines shifted. This is called science.
From April 3.
Surgeon General Jerome Adams acknowledged that government advice about masks has been “confusing to the American people.”
Until now, the CDC has said that healthy people do not need a mask unless they are working in a healthcare setting or caring for an infected person. “The best available evidence” did not suggest that wearing a mask would do much to protect a healthy person from contracting COVID-19, Adams said.
What changed that thinking was a recognition that people were spreading the virus even when they seemed healthy.
Upon reviewing this new information about transmission of the virus by asymptomatic persons, the CDC rightly altered their guidelines regarding the wearing of masks.
Why is this sort of stuff so difficult for people to understand? Science is all about making conclusions on the best available data. As the data shifts, the conclusions shifts.
Don't people take any science classes in school anymore?
I would be willing to be that trump hasn't had sex in years.This is also probably why Trump hasn't caught it yet. All his sex partners are pre pubescent.
Trump was the person motivated by politics. Trump and the WH have not handled this virus correctly and you even admitted it in another post. Not sure why now you're saying something differently.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721
Didn’t realize they were the only experts. Enjoy.Really? Show me the quote(s) where Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and/or the World Health Organization encouraged people to gather and protest in major cities across America.
I'll hang up and 'listen' to your response.
According to multiple studies in this article. If this is in fact the case, why aren't we hearing about this in the media and why would it be necessary to close schools?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.htm