Chris Cillizza: This is how badly "Defund the Police" has hurt Democrats
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“Why are you wanting to move to Atlanta?”
“I’m not trying to live mere hours from that Herkmeister character. I read HROT enough to know that shit.
Change was achieved. Was greatness achieved? Did we have it before and lose it? When was greatness re-gained?
Change has always been achieved. With every president. Also "Change" is not an indicator of better or worse. Yet, it was used as a slogan. Bush changed things. Obama changed things. Trump changed things. Bush made some things great. Obama made some things great. Trump made some things great.
Again...just slogans. I mean "Yes. We can." OK. We can what? What can we? I wish he mentioned that. Did we?
"We committed to dismantling policing as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keeps our community safe," Lisa Bender, the city council president at the time, told CNN then."
This is a big part of the problem. Minneapolis had an "dream" to improve public safety, so they wanted to get rid of the old model. But, they had no idea what the new model would look like - or if they did they didn't share it.
It's like saying "we want to get rid of gas powered cars and replace them with something better", before actually having invented EV's first. All you hear is that people will lose their cars.
Also, the term "defund the police" is over the top - literally it means to no longer fund the police at all, rather than reallocating funds differently in the department. Its a terrible term.
People say dumb stuff with no means to defend what they said.
This is a big part of the problem. Minneapolis had an "dream" to improve public safety, so they wanted to get rid of the old model. But, they had no idea what the new model would look like - or if they did they didn't share it.
It's like saying "we want to get rid of gas powered cars and replace them with something better", before actually having invented EV's first. All you hear is that people will lose their cars.
Also, the term "defund the police" is over the top - literally it means to no longer fund the police at all, rather than reallocating funds differently in the department. Its a terrible term.
People say dumb stuff with no means to defend what they said.
Did Minneapolis actually feel that way or was it more of a targeted nationwide political messaging campaign? The proposed changes were never votered into city code and Lisa Bender, the principal person behind the idea didn't even seek re-election.
Well, exactly my point. People speak (or a person speaks), it makes a nice catch phrase and it divides people - all over something that has no substance. It's what we do.
Defund the police is a terrible term. Re-Fund would be more appropriate but Reorganize would be less volatile.
It seems the majority of us could get behind a compromise of restructuring and reorganizing the police without necessarily cutting their funding?
Just ignore the extreme viewpoints on either side don't defund and don't be content with the status quo
Just ignore the extreme viewpoints on either side don't defund and don't be content with the status quo
You just described "defund the police". People just like to interpret it as "abolish the police".
This thread makes it abundantly clear not many people actually know what defunding the police means. What should also be abundantly clear is police reform, restructuring, or however you want to say it, doesn’t work at all. We have been trying that for over a decade now.
And police budgets continue to grow sky high while spending on social services falls drastically.
And police budgets continue to grow sky high while spending on social services falls drastically.
