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CNN: Inside and outside the Senate, Democrats begin to lose faith in Schumer

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Democrats have long found the flip phone Chuck Schumer still insists on using as an endearing quirk that illustrates how committed he is to his way of talking to all sorts of allies, all the time.

After how he handled the spending fight, many inside and outside the Capitol are starting to see that phone as a metaphor for a leader who's out of date and refusing to change as politics changes radically around him.

"This is not the first time that members of the caucus expressed frustration that he wasn't as inclusive as he could have been on decision making or strategy, but the stakes of this particular vote were huge," said one Senate Democrat, who like others, is still wary of going public with attacks on the leader.
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CNN's conversations with three-dozen Democratic senators, members of the House, top aides and other prominent leaders detail a cratering of support, with many starting to feel that he can't be the party's future and shouldn't be their present.

"If he doesn't lose it between now and then, he won't be leader in two years," said another Democratic senator, who added, looking ahead to the next expected Congressional showdown, "he can't be trusted alone to negotiate the debt limit."
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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders — an independent who caucuses with the Democrats — called the situation "an absolute failure of Democratic leadership." In a video he blasted out to his own supporters, freshman California Sen. Adam Schiff called it "a bad day for our country – and for the Democratic Party."

"Schumer tried to be too smart," said another Democratic senator, "but he ended up looking indecisive."
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House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries was not just frustrated by what played out, but annoyed that Schumer—who otherwise calls multiple times a day to check in on everything from strategy to tweets—barely talked to him about any of this over the last few weeks, according to several House Democratic sources.

And when Schumer announced his own yes vote, it was not just within a day of floating an alternative strategy—he even surprised one of his closest allies, according to multiple senators: Washington Sen. Patty Murray, the ranking member on the Appropriations Committee and far from a standard resistance figure. She ended up voting no.


And one part that stuck out to me:

House Democrats were bewildered themselves by the suggestion that Schumer was doing them any favors. Several joined the nearly unanimous Democratic vote against the Republican budget bill not because they wanted a shutdown, but because they thought they were giving the Senate more leverage. Others were convinced that they needed to be part of a unified Democratic effort.

Several close to Jeffries himself, meanwhile, scoff at Schumer's suggesting that House Democrats didn't think Johnson would pass the bill, arguing the senator doesn't get how much obedience to Trump has come to define Republicans in Congress. They think Schumer never understood Jeffries's strategy was to push for the fight since he was convinced Democrats could win, and worried about the policy and political consequences of putting a rubber stamp on the Republican bill.

At a panel of union leaders at their retreat, Connecticut Rep. Rosa DeLauro asked them to call Schumer to remind him that they supported a "No" vote. Several did. Schumer told those he spoke with he still felt confident he was right.

Later in that same strategy session, another House Democrat vented more broadly: "What's Chuck Schumer thinking?"

Another voice shouted back from the crowd, "Of himself!"

Many members started to clap and cheer
, according to two people in the room.
 
Of course one of the big problems here is that it looks like most or all of them are just like Chuck Schumer. Don't have an ounce of fight in them. Don't have a clue about the gravity of the moment. All they want to talk about is egg prices while Trump destroys the administrative state, we see off-the-charts unprecedented levels of presidential corruption, and the country commits world leadership geopolitical suicide.

We need war-time consigliere's. Lots and lots of them, instead we've got these conflict averse wimps who don't even want to acknowledge the country is backsliding into fascism.
 
Of course one of the big problems here is that it looks like most or all of them are just like Chuck Schumer. Don't have an ounce of fight in them. Don't have a clue about the gravity of the moment. All they want to talk about is egg prices while Trump destroys the administrative state, we see off-the-charts unprecedented levels of presidential corruption, and the country commits world leadership geopolitical suicide.

We need war-time consigliere's. Lots and lots of them, instead we've got these conflict averse wimps who don't even want to acknowledge the country is backsliding into fascism.

This is what the donors have purchased. They want an obedient, republican lite, hapless, punching bag that helps advance the right wing agenda. They only fight if a progressive is making waves somewhere.
 
It turns people like me off towards Democrats. I'm as a reliable a democratic voter as you can get. I even vote in local elections. But when I see Hitler Junior running our country into the ground and weakling like Schumer let them, it frankly pisses me off.
What do we need to do?
 
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What do we need to do?
For me Dems need to oppose everything the Rs do and hit up rallies across the country every weekend. That's their new jobs. Say no in Washington and hit up every district in America laying into the Rs. Go to coffee shops, do interviews, go on local news.

Republicans won't face the people. Good. Fill that void. Lay these fvckers out.
 
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Can him. You don't negotiate with terrorists. If someone burns down your garage you don't give them more fuel when they threaten to burn down your house.
So shutting down the government is good.

Folks on your side of the political spectrum have treated that as verboten…till now. Weird.

Same with the filibuster. GET RID OF IT…now, USE IT.

Weird 🤣
 
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So shutting doythe government is good.

Folks on your side of the political spectrum have treated that as verboten…till now. Weird.

Same with the filibuster. GET RID OF IT…now, USE IT.

Weird 🤣
Hey dipshit, Rs have already shut down the government. Trump has killed everything from Veteran aid to humanitarian aid to the Department of Education to our nations parks. What else can he kill?
 
Hey dipshit, Rs have already shut down the government. Trump has killed everything from Veteran aid to humanitarian aid to the Department of Education to our nations parks. What else can he kill?
The government is still running. It’s not shut down…dipshit.
 
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So shutting doythe government is good.

Folks on your side of the political spectrum have treated that as verboten…till now. Weird.

Same with the filibuster. GET RID OF IT…now, USE IT.

Weird 🤣
JFC. You're going out of your way to be stupid. We're in a national emergency, Donald Trump is burning down the government and the country and our place in the world and the Democrats only leverage to influence events was the threat of a government shutdown. Now that's gone.

And FFS on the filibuster, I still support getting rid of it, Senate democrats cited this exact type of situation for why the filibuster needed to be retained but when given an opportunity to utilize it decided to fold anyway. It is a tool that apparently only the Republicans will ever use, because the current Democrats are too damn conflict averse and wussy to ever use it themselves. So why not get rid of it? I'm sure the Republicans sure as hell will if it ever impacts something they really really want.

You've been told over and over and over where this is headed and you absolutely for sures will still pretend to be gobsmacked when everything goes to total shit in the next several years.
 
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JFC. You're going out of your way to be stupid. We're in a national emergency, Donald Trump is burning down the government and the country and our place in the world and the Democrats only leverage to influence events was the threat of a government shutdown. Now that's gone.

And FFS on the filibuster, I still support getting rid of it, Senate democrats cited this exact type of situation for why the filibuster needed to be retained but when given an opportunity to utilize it decided to fold anyway. It is a tool that apparently only the Republicans will ever use, because the current Democrats are too damn conflict averse and wussy to ever use it themselves. So why not get rid of it? I'm sure the Republicans sure as hell will if it ever impacts something they really really want.

You've been told over and over and over where this is headed and you absolutely for sures will still pretend to be gobsmacked when everything goes to total shit in the next several years.
Your argument is unpersuasive.
 
Your argument is unpersuasive.
Everything's fine! Everything is normal!
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It’s not normal. Trump sucks.

Dems should concentrate on his dipshit Tariff policies.
This just shows you don’t know what’s going on. Congress could block Trump tariffs before the budget was passed.

Now that the budget passed, it gave Trump powers, that congress can longer overturn the tariffs.

This is why so many “far left”people wanted to block this.

And that is what you want, and that is why so many people wanted Chuck out.

It sounds like you need to join us far left folks. It’s never too late.
 
This just shows you don’t know what’s going on. Congress could block Trump tariffs before the budget was passed.

Now that the budget passed, it gave Trump powers, that congress can longer overturn the tariffs.

This is why so many “far left”people wanted to block this.

And that is what you want, and that is why so many people wanted Chuck out.

It sounds like you need to join us far left folks. It’s never too late.
Fair enough.

If I was a D strategist I’d be talking stock market and tariffs non stop. Just saying.

Talk about folks 401k’s.

Don’t need to shut down the government to do that.

Just giving Trump and the R’s an out if you do that IMO
 
I really think Schumer's actions signal that he wants to give Musk and Trump enough rope to hang themselves so that the Dems retake both the House AND Senate in 2026.

He can say Republicans had complete control.
 
I really think Schumer's actions signal that he wants to give Musk and Trump enough rope to hang themselves so that the Dems retake both the House AND Senate in 2026.

He can say Republicans had complete control.

I’m sure that’s what he’s thinking but there is too much collateral damage to sit by and let it happen
 
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