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M* should be gone! Luke Loft house should be gone and never should have been on our staff in the first place. Terry should move to HWC coach and McDonough, Ramos and Metcalf should be added now not later. No more fu@( ing excuses. I know Brent is still training but so is Burroughs. It's time.
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I really hope they do clear houae after this deflated nationals tournament. Thank god for Cory Clark tho. The only reason I'm smiling right now
 
So how come after two years folks are listening to you and ran me off after I said the same thing. I'm the guy Gable didn't pin altho he beat me soundley
 
What are those guys going to bring to the table that Tom and Terry don't already bring? Middle and lower weight brawlers who aren't exceptional technicians. We need someone offensive who can bring exceptional technique, great mat wrestling, at a higher weight. I'm all for having Terry take over HWC and hiring Metcalf. But how about we bring in something different. I'd much rather have Perry, Taylor, Herbert, Askren, or Borschel (in that order). But thats just the opinion of one fan who is tired of watching these guys score a minimal amount of points and lose matches we should win.
 
It was working when we had Schwab and Zaddick. If we could get Metcalf, Steel, Jaybo and Ramos with strengh it would improve our staff.

Would love to have Taylor or Dake, but if we got Askern on the staff I would throw up.
 
Originally posted by therasslinfan:
What are those guys going to bring to the table that Tom and Terry don't already bring? Middle and lower weight brawlers who aren't exceptional technicians. We need someone offensive who can bring exceptional technique, great mat wrestling, at a higher weight. I'm all for having Terry take over HWC and hiring Metcalf. But how about we bring in something different. I'd much rather have Perry, Taylor, Herbert, Askren, or Borschel (in that order). But thats just the opinion of one fan who is tired of watching these guys score a minimal amount of points and lose matches we should win.
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This man....^^^^^^
 
Coaches..............try to find a way to create angle, and string multiple moves together. Iowa's offense is the problem. One straight on shot and done. Diversify the offense and address those issues. If they can find someone who can coach that, yes, you're hired.
 
These threads kill me. Yeah, M* is to blame for all our problems. He recruited all these guys, yes? He had no other options when it was clear the starters weren't getting it done. Oh, our guys are clearly not as strong as everyone else, that's on him too. Sorry, if you guys want to point fingers at coaches, start with the head guy.
 
Not to change the subject, but if I were a Minny fan I'd be politely suggesting it's time for J to retire. Think Iowa under-performed?
 
I don't care who our coach is but he needs to be a leader. one thing that I have learned in life is that you do not need to be good at what you do, but as long as you can lead people you can succeed. we need a guy who can recruit athletes who have potential and then make them improve. right now brands is not getting it done. head coach does not need to be a great wrestler but he does have to be a great businessman with an eye on the future, and the will to succeed. she needs to be a teacher who will get guys to follow him

as far as the assistants, I would like to see them be people who have succeeded at the highest level in wrestling . these guys need to be able to wrestle what you preach, as they will be going against the guys and practice everyday. if a guy buys into the teacher they will try to be just like them, right now we are creating Morningstars, lofthouses, and berhows.
 
Originally posted by TarpHawk:
Not to change the subject, but if I were a Minny fan I'd be politely suggesting it's time for J to retire. Think Iowa under-performed?
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Minny laid the turd of the year. They were the odds on favorite coming into the season. Time for J to move on but I hope he sticks around. This only makes me feel a little bit better.

As for Iowa, we do need to make some changes. It needs to start with strength and conditioning. Sick of watching our guys get outmuscled on the mat. I don't know why there is this silly "rule" that our coaches can't be competing. We had some darn good teams when Zadick and Schwab were on staff and competing.

I don't like locking us onto only coaches who wrestled at Iowa. I thought we had some of our best performances with Jared Frayer on staff, for instance. Could we lure a guy like Jake Varner to the staff?
 
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From what I've heard, M* has been good at recruiting. Just keep him away from the guys when they get on campus.
 
Don't blame Morningstar. Kelly Moore Evans never had offense. If you watch any of Nick in high school you knew he was a one trick pony. I have been on his side the whole he was at Iowa but Nick was who he was.
 
Agreed sidewinder. 8690 I need your contact info for future tickets so we can sit together. I know we could get one of the staff to sit down with us also and chat about your idiotic posts.


Brands will be accountable regardless. Was iowa going to have ten all Americans? Nope. Look at iowa history of coaching prior. Lighter weights has been ahead of the group. Keep day dreaming about the studs Nicaea has seen over the last 5 years. Rare.

Very few are wrestling the style that we all want, wide open and taking chances. It is conservative more than you think with the vast majority, Clark was frowned upon so much but yet he moves and keeps fighting for position, win or lose he is in the finals. Degrade the kid regardless how he does tomorrow.

Find ways to down grade the athletes and coaches tomorrow as they try and reach the next step on the podium. Go tell those athletes and their staff how pathetic they are 8690.
 
Originally posted by Tony Hawk:
Don't blame Morningstar. Kelly Moore Evans never had offense. If you watch any of Nick in high school you knew he was a one trick pony. I have been on his side the whole he was at Iowa but Nick was who he was.
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Don't try to tell me for one second that Nick Moore never had any offense, I have watched him for 13 years.

M* is the guy rolling with these guys, HE is the guy responsible for making these middle weight kids improve. FAIL

Luke Lofthouse is the guy responsible for getting our guys stronger the last 2 years. FAIL
 
Originally posted by SPOONER:

Originally posted by TarpHawk:
Not to change the subject, but if I were a Minny fan I'd be politely suggesting it's time for J to retire. Think Iowa under-performed?
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Minny laid the turd of the year. They were the odds on favorite coming into the season. Time for J to move on but I hope he sticks around. This only makes me feel a little bit better.

As for Iowa, we do need to make some changes. It needs to start with strength and conditioning. Sick of watching our guys get outmuscled on the mat. I don't know why there is this silly "rule" that our coaches can't be competing. We had some darn good teams when Zadick and Schwab were on staff and competing.

I don't like locking us onto only coaches who wrestled at Iowa. I thought we had some of our best performances with Jared Frayer on staff, for instance. Could we lure a guy like Jake Varner to the staff?
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I think Jared Frayer is one hell of a coach. Bring him back!
 
What is stronger? What measurement is it besides cleans , squats, jerks, and anything else.? No rocket science with it.

When the middle weights attend practice they just rotate with Ryan is all. Your practice partner/teammate helps you reach your full potential. A coach provides aspect.

Moore has done well and impressive that you consider his middle school moves to present. His ceiling was never that high growing up it seems. Tough kid though. Did you see Sorenson when he was that age also?
 
Hey Pantherfan, aren't you on the wrong board. I tried to read what you wrote, but I don't understand. Who are you? Can you get a face to face with Iowa staff? Is this something you think is hard to get?

What is your email so I can send
 
Since you brought it up, I'm sorry my recent posts seem to have struck such a deep nerve for you and others? It must be hard for you to realize what you believe may be wrong and/or without a basis in reality--I feel your pain. The current crop of seniors did not have what it takes to win an NCAA Championship, and were not molded into champions by the current staff of Brands and Company. I don't like this. You probably don't like that either, yet you are afraid to even discuss it. This is the definition of a coward. Think about what you are complaining about.

I been posting here for 6 six year and before that on themat.com fighting the good fight over there. I don't recall you addressing anything I've said before. So be clear about what you are asking and say what you mean. If you can't do that then I'd suggest you read more and babble less.

The team I began to follow is one that accepted only excellence. It is an excellence of the mind being stronger than the body and willing oneself to excel/attack to achieve the ultimate goal. As long as this is pursued with a single-minded obsession the results will be what they may. When short-cuts are made excellence is no longer the objective. It simply becomes a game of strategy where you win some and lose some. Excellence is enduring. Iowa Wrestling once stood first and foremost for excellence. Now, I'm not so sure.
 
Originally posted by 86_90:
Since you brought it up, I'm sorry my recent posts seem to have struck such a deep nerve for you and others?  It must be hard for you to realize what you believe may be wrong and/or without a basis in reality--I feel your pain.  The current crop of seniors did not have what it takes to win an NCAA Championship, and were not molded into champions by the current staff of Brands and Company.  I don't like this.  You probably don't like that either, yet you are afraid to even discuss it.  This is the definition of a coward.  Think about what you are complaining about.  

I been posting here for 6 six year and before that on themat.com fighting the good fight over there.  I don't recall you addressing anything I've said before.  So be clear about what you are asking and say what you mean.  If you can't do that then I'd suggest you read more and babble less.

The team I began to follow is one that accepted only excellence.  It is an excellence of the mind being stronger than the body and willing oneself to excel/attack to achieve the ultimate goal.  As long as this is pursued with a single-minded obsession the results will be what they may.    When short-cuts are made excellence is no longer the objective.  It simply becomes a game of strategy where you win some and lose some.  Excellence is enduring.  Iowa Wrestling once stood first and foremost for excellence.  Now, I'm not so sure.  
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What's it like not being able to breathe through your nose?
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We need to find that special coach that can win NCAA every year....tired of excuses. We deserve it and should accept nothing less.

In the past 15 years JRob has won 3, Smith has won 4, Brands has won 3, Cale has won 4....but this year they all turned out to be losers. They just don't have what it takes to win every time. We need that special guy who always wins. The above 4 clearly do not fill the bill. Start the search....
 
I think it's time for reporters to start asking the tough questions to TOM Brands.

Tom is getting as bad as Kirk Ferentz at giving the same boring responses. He's been saying for four years that we need to wrestle harder and find offense... Well, why hasn't that been happening?
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I agree that a change needs to be make but I think it needs to start at the top. Zalesky was ran off for similar results. If the assistants aren't cutting it, that is Brands fault. You don't hear the football board calling for the special teams coach head because they aren't winning.
 
Originally posted by shoot_the_three:
I agree that a change needs to be make but I think it needs to start at the top. Zalesky was ran off for similar results. If the assistants aren't cutting it, that is Brands fault. You don't hear the football board calling for the special teams coach head because they aren't winning.
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To be clear, Zalesky was fired because things were worse than this.
 
Originally posted by SPOONER:

Originally posted by shoot_the_three:
I agree that a change needs to be make but I think it needs to start at the top. Zalesky was ran off for similar results. If the assistants aren't cutting it, that is Brands fault. You don't hear the football board calling for the special teams coach head because they aren't winning.
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To be clear, Zalesky was fired because things were worse than this.
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You mean twisting the facts to fit your argument doesn't work with everyone on this board?
 
Originally posted by shoot_the_three:
I agree that a change needs to be make but I think it needs to start at the top. Zalesky was ran off for similar results. If the assistants aren't cutting it, that is Brands fault. You don't hear the football board calling for the special teams coach head because they aren't winning.
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Tom and Terry are not the problem. When Luke Lofthouse and M* are gone and Brent and either Tony or Matt are added things including recruiting will get better in a hurry.
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That's the weird thing about this tournament -- it's a second place finish that feels like a seventh place finish. I don't know if the coaches are to bless or to blame for that. But just a strange feeling this year.
 
if I were a Minny fan I'd be politely suggesting it's time for J to retire

How many times do you want me to get banned in a year?

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Originally posted by PantherFan79:
What is stronger? What measurement is it besides cleans , squats, jerks, and anything else.? No rocket science with it.



When the middle weights attend practice they just rotate with Ryan is all. Your practice partner/teammate helps you reach your full potential. A coach provides aspect.



Moore has done well and impressive that you consider his middle school moves to present. His ceiling was never that high growing up it seems. Tough kid though. Did you see Sorenson when he was that age also?
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Didn't follow Sorensen. He has been a hammer since kindergarten but I have only read about him until he was in high school and I saw it first hand.
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Originally posted by 86_90:
I been posting here for 6 six year and before that on themat.com fighting the good fight over there. I don't recall you addressing anything I've said before. So be clear about what you are asking and say what you mean. If you can't do that then I'd suggest you read more and babble less.



I get it now. In the last 3 days you've come to the realization that you have evolved into a message board loser in the last 6 years & have decided to take it out anonymously on the team & coaching staff. Makes total sense, another delusional hawkeye fan; I bet you rant about Ferentz on the FB board & want Fran gone after every BB loss. Get out & enjoy the nice weather buddy.
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I disagree that huge changes need to be made. To me, I just think we need a new strength and conditioning coach/new approach to that aspect of the game. I said the exact same thing last year but the strength and conditioning has evolved so much since the Gable years. The Hawks are stuck in the old mindset in this aspect.
 
Originally posted by Gobblin:
Originally posted by 86_90:
Since you brought it up, I'm sorry my recent posts seem to have struck such a deep nerve for you and others? Â It must be hard for you to realize what you believe may be wrong and/or without a basis in reality--I feel your pain. Â The current crop of seniors did not have what it takes to win an NCAA Championship, and were not molded into champions by the current staff of Brands and Company. Â I don't like this. Â You probably don't like that either, yet you are afraid to even discuss it. Â This is the definition of a coward. Â Think about what you are complaining about. Â

I been posting here for 6 six year and before that on themat.com fighting the good fight over there. Â I don't recall you addressing anything I've said before. Â So be clear about what you are asking and say what you mean. Â If you can't do that then I'd suggest you read more and babble less.

The team I began to follow is one that accepted only excellence. Â It is an excellence of the mind being stronger than the body and willing oneself to excel/attack to achieve the ultimate goal. Â As long as this is pursued with a single-minded obsession the results will be what they may. Â Â When short-cuts are made excellence is no longer the objective. Â It simply becomes a game of strategy where you win some and lose some. Â Excellence is enduring. Â Iowa Wrestling once stood first and foremost for excellence. Â Now, I'm not so sure. Â

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I know you've been a big status quo guy (this means you think things are fine, ok) last couple years, and well that has turned into a BIG FAT ZERO. Explain that. Oh wait, "next year we're loaded." LMFAO.
 
Originally posted by clhawks00:
I disagree that huge changes need to be made. To me, I just think we need a new strength and conditioning coach/new approach to that aspect of the game. I said the exact same thing last year but the strength and conditioning has evolved so much since the Gable years. The Hawks are stuck in the old mindset in this aspect.
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I agree....I think M* has been a very recruiter and Iook at Meyer and Brooks and they typically are what we think of as Iowa wrestling.... all guys that m* works with....evans was never a scoring machine.... he used to be able to ride guys and it seems that he can't do that anymore (turn guys from the top position)....I don't think its even a technique issue (a common theme here in the past)...I do think it may be a strength issue primarily and the fact that most of the guys just are not that aggressive.... the coaches can't make these guys want to be aggressive on the mat in fought matches....I do think that the interpretation of the rules has severely impacted our beloved sport.... if they instituted a push out rule I think you see vintage Iowa wrestling coming back to the front.

we have good recruits waiting in the wings...I think Meyer will be preseason top 5 for example

next yr projected preseason rankings
Gillman 4th
Clark 2nd
141??
149 4th
157 ??
165 ??
174 5th
184 6th
197 8th
hvy ??
 
With 3 seniors finishing in the top 8, I would think Burak is probably a preseason top 5.
 
You know, they still have a shot at winning this thing....why not let it play out.

A lot of Hawks showing some heart this weekend.
 
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