Coaching Lost that Game

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically assured to win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

 

[SDHN2013]

Yeah I hear you but theres not a player alive that will stop at the 5 yard line when running a huge TD play to potentially win the game

 

[Drmac22]

Really you sure about that.. Cause our last field goal attempt worked out so well. No coach has any idea that you score to soon. You score when you can.. Nothing is promised.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Yeah I hear you but theres not a player alive that will stop at the 5 yard line when running a huge TD play to potentially win the game

If coached properly they will. Defensive players do it all of the time after a game winning turnover - slide instead of running it back.

 

[takai]

Very bad play calling for sure. The pitch in the end zone especially comes to mind.

Hope Brian learns from this.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

There are plenty of plays to pick apart.... That TD is not one of them

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Really you sure about that.. Cause our last field goal attempt worked out so well. No coach has any idea that you score to soon. You score when you can.. Nothing is promised.

Our last field goal attempt was a lot further away and therefore much easier to block. Like I said extra point conversion percentage in college football is 97%. Even if we lost to a blocked field goal, I'd be fine with that. It's a probability game. Take the higher probability route. Of course there are no guarantees.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Our last field goal attempt was a lot further away and therefore much easier to block. Like I said extra point conversion percentage in college football is 97%. Even if we lost to a blocked field goal, I'd be fine with that. It's a probability game. Take the higher probability route. Of course there are no guarantees.

They were blocking that kick from everywhere.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

There are plenty of plays to pick apart.... That TD is not one of them

Old school mentality. At that point in the game everything that had happened before was irrelevant. If we don't score there and run clock out and kick the 20 yard field goal we win that game 97 time out of 100. I'll take those odds.

 

[shank hawk]

Poor Wadley was running into brick walls all night so you can't blame him for taking it in when he had the chance. I agree we win if he takes a knee before he scores though. Run the clock down and kick a field goal leaving them 30 seconds with no timeouts to try and beat you.

The defense stopped the big plays as well as they could but who can blame them for being gassed..........the offensive play calling left a bit to be desired for at least two quarters.

This game gives me hope that crowning Wisky as champs of the west isn't a foregone conclusion.

 

[Gary-Waterloo]

The thought crossed my mind but if you don't at PSU had two timeouts and would have only needed a fg, not a sure thing.

 

[Boomer51]

Making sure I got this..... tell Akrum NOT to score the touchdown, so we can risk fumble snaps or exchanges, or blocked FG or mishandled hold?! Saying that this was the coach's fault might because they should have coached Wadley to run out of bounds just might be the dumbest thing ever.

 

[okinburg1]

Penn State's coaching did them no favors either. They should have gone for it every time down near the goal line. Inside the 20 the Iowa O is so predictable - kind of like Penn State used to be under our previous long term coach.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically to assured win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

they had 3 TOs didn't they?
Sorry, but this sounds pretty stupid

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Making sure I got this..... tell Akrum NOT to score the touchdown, so we can risk fumble snaps or exchanges, or blocked FG or mishandled hold?! Saying that this was the coach's fault might because they should have coached Wadley to run out of bounds just might be the dumbest thing ever.

You could literally just kneel the ball and run clock out so we are guaranteed to have last possession with a field goal that is essentially an extra point. Extra point conversion rate is 97% in college football. So, yes I'll take the risk of a blocked extra point over giving PSU the ball back with 2 mins when our defense is gassed.

Again, that old school mentality of "you have to score a TD if it's there" is dated. You have to play the probability game.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Penn State's coaching did them no favors either. They should have gone for it every time down near the goal line. Inside the 20 the Iowa O is so predictable - kind of like Penn State used to be under our previous long term coach.

I agree PSU coaching was atrocious as well and kept us in the game.

 

[tedboy78]

If coached properly they will. Defensive players do it all of the time after a game winning turnover - slide instead of running it back.

They slide because they have the lead. We were behind. Get in the end zone.

 

[curt26]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically to assured win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

Yeah, why the hell did they call the touchdown play so early?!? Freaking idiots. Yes, I'm being sarcastic

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

they had 3 TOs didn't they?
Sorry, but this sounds pretty stupid

No. They had 2 I believe. We would have been able to run clock down to nothing. Another alternative is to go down at 3 yard line. Kneel it twice. Try to run it in on 3rd down. If stopped short, kick field goal on 4th down. Just saying the old school mentality of score TD no matter what isn't smart. It's dated. You have to play the probability game.

 

[moondog24]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically to assured win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

Really -- We gave them the ball back with 1:40 to go. If we fall down, they call their time outs and if, a big it, we kick the FG we go up by 1. Then all they need is a FG. Get the TD and if we make one more play during that drive they run out of time.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

They slide because they have the lead. We were behind. Get in the end zone.

Go ahead field goal from the 3 is a 97% conversion rate and gives PSU no time on the clock. It's the higher probability play. But again, most people these days don't think that way. Living in the old school power football mentality.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically to assured win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

Were you watching the same game I did? The Hawks were mostly either getting no yards at all ... OR we got yards in big chunks. When you have such an opportunity ... you still have to take it.

The Hawk D did a great job of keeping PSU out of the end zone most of the night. We forced PSU to have to win it on a 4th down on the very last play of the game.

The game-plan seemed to work in my eyes. We just couldn't get some stops when we needed them. It was really, really close!

 

[Eternal Return]

Nice job trolling. But you got good results, especially considering just how stupid the post was.

 

[kjb32812]

Outsider view here.

• PSU negated Wadley and put a DT at DE.
• Your WRs dropped numerous passes.
• Your QB sailed nearly everything...which you all said he had done prior to this game.

That's what cost you the game.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Were you watching the same game I did? The Hawks were mostly either getting no yards at all ... OR we got yards in big chunks. When you have such an opportunity ... you still have to take it.

The Hawk D did a great job of keeping PSU out of the end zone most of the night. We forced PSU to have to win it on a 4th down on the very last play of the game.

The game-plan seemed to work in my eyes. We just couldn't get some stops when we needed them. It was really, really close!

Did you even read my post? Do you have an understanding of probability at all? I'm suggesting that Wadley (and the whole offense) should have been informed to go down at the 3ish yard line instead of scoring on the final drive. We would have been able to have the final possession and just needed essentially an extra point distance field goal to win. That's a 97% win rate.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Outsider view here.

• PSU negated Wadley and put a DT at DE.
• Your WRs dropped numerous passes.
• Your QB sailed nearly everything...which you all said he had done prior to this game.

That's what cost you the game.

Nope ... Barkley WON PSU the game. Every team has players who make mistakes ... that's why they're not in the pros yet. Barkley is essentially like having an elite NFL back on a college team. The guy is unreal.

Also, a lot of credit is due to the PSU D for making the sledding awfully hard for Wadley through much of the game. Brian will game-plan it a little differently against you guys in Indy.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Nice job trolling. But you got good results, especially considering just how stupid the post was.

Not trolling. We win the game 97 times out of 100 according to statistics if we do what I suggest. The old school power football mentality of score no matter what is dated. Cost us the game tonight.

 

[ih8iast8]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically to assured win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

I love you on the wrestling board....with that said, everyone wants to butcher Ferentz when he plays it safe. He went for the jugular & our defense was just gassed at the end.

 

[Bulldog64]

If Iowa coaches tell the offense to not score on our final position,we win this game. Run clock out at 5 yard line and kick game winning field goal we are basically to assured win that game. Extra point conversion percentage is 97% in college football.

Old school mentality of power football, ignore statistics is a thing of the past.

I don't see why we'd give them the ball back with 2 mins left.

Really???!!!! How many games have you called? Do you understand that the TD wasn't a 1st and goal. You don't tell the guy to fall down on the 2 if this one breaks free. When you call a play and it scores, it was a good call. Wow. you think there is too much involved in a play call other than the call. Just, Wow, Really?!!!

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I love you on the wrestling board....with that said, everyone wants to butcher Ferentz when he plays it safe. He went for the jugular & our defense was just gassed at the end.

Fair enough. Defense played fantastic tonight, but as you said they were gassed. I had a bad feeling as soon as we scored our defense was going to have trouble holding up.

Easy to make my claim in retrospect, but I actually told that to my friends immediately after we scored that I think we should have played it strategically and took the final possession.

 

[Bulldog64]

Really???!!!! How many games have you called? Do you understand that the TD wasn't a 1st and goal. You don't tell the guy to fall down on the 2 if this one breaks free. When you call a play and it scores, it was a good call. Wow. you think there is too much involved in a play call other than the call. Just, Wow, Really?!!!

Just want to add really? the call was to get a 1st down. Jesus, really?

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Did you even read my post? Do you have an understanding of probability at all? I'm suggesting that Wadley (and the whole offense) should have been informed to go down at the 3ish yard line instead of scoring on the final drive. We would have been able to have the final possession and just needed essentially an extra point distance field goal to win. That's a 97% win rate.

Do I need to educate you on Radon-Nikodym derivatives and their role in probability theory? About how probability densities play a role in calculating probabilities? Do I need to verse you on the principles related to rare-event statistics?

Penn State still had 2 time-outs. They had already blocked one field-goal. Given their time-outs ... they still would have had time to move the ball.

I'm not going to grudge Wadley at all for scoring on that TD run. Guys are coached to score points if they have the opportunity.

 

[kceasthawk]

Outsider view here.

• PSU negated Wadley and put a DT at DE.
• Your WRs dropped numerous passes.
• Your QB sailed nearly everything...which you all said he had done prior to this game.

That's what cost you the game.

Wow, and it took the greatest individual game by a PSU back in school history, too beat lowly Iowa on the last play of the game, when all week we heard how PSU was going to put up 45 or so on Iowa.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Really???!!!! How many games have you called? Do you understand that the TD wasn't a 1st and goal. You don't tell the guy to fall down on the 2 if this one breaks free. When you call a play and it scores, it was a good call. Wow. you think there is too much involved in a play call other than the call. Just, Wow, Really?!!!

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that the coaches train the players and make sure they remind them before this drive that if they break free and are about to score, to just go down at the 3 yard line. Then we can kneel it and kick the extra point field goal to go ahead and take all of the time off the clock. That's a 97% win rate according to college football extra point conversion percentages.

 

[kjb32812]

Not trolling. We win the game 97 times out of 100 according to statistics if we do what I suggest. The old school power football mentality of score no matter what is dated. Cost us the game tonight.

<LOL emoji>

 

[kjb32812]

Wow, and it took the greatest individual game by a PSU back in school history, too beat lowly Iowa on the last play of the game, when all week we heard how PSU was going to put up 45 or so on Iowa.

Congrats on the moral victory.

You lost.

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[Eternal Return]

Not trolling. We win the game 97 times out of 100 according to statistics if we do what I suggest. The old school power football mentality of score no matter what is dated. Cost us the game tonight.

Okay, taking you seriously, no one, and I mean no one, is going to take a knee at the two yard line in that situation. Ever.

 

[kjb32812]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting that the coaches train the players and make sure they remind them before this drive that if they break free and are about to score, to just go down at the 3 yard line. Then we can kneel it and kick the extra point field goal to go ahead and take all of the time off the clock. That's a 97% win rate according to college football extra point conversion percentages.

So you're saying that your coaches aren't good?

 

[aurorabimmer]

Take the points, there is no guarantee of a FG or any other kind of score. The D usually takes over and does it job. As much as I don't like PSU they are a very good team and Barkley is a stud. Hawks played great and the O brought it in the second half.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Do I need to educate you on Radon-Nikodym derivatives and their role in probability theory? About how probability densities play a role in calculating probabilities? Do I need to verse you on the principles related to rare-event statistics?

Penn State still had 2 time-outs. They had already blocked one field-goal. Given their time-outs ... they still would have had time to move the ball.

I'm not going to grudge Wadley at all for scoring on that TD run. Guys are coached to score points if they have the opportunity.

And my entire point is that the coaching methodology is dated and cost us the game tonight. If you want to be a ostentatious with your math knowledge tell me how much time PSU would have had left if we utilized my strategy.