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HawktimusPrime

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You delusional, oppressive, simplistic, war mongering morons. Why would you support these guys? They're a bunch of pussy chicken hawks, who want to send you and your families to war. Not war based on actual need or 'peace'. War based on economics and geographic control.

Listen to the tough talk on stage. None of these weaklings have any military experience, and yet Ted "I'm wearing makeup" Cruz is acting like Rambo. These scumbags have no idea what they are actually talking about. They don't know what actually have to go and wage war is really like. They're salesman, douchebags, and traitors to their country.

How can anyone WANT to go over there. How can anyone talk about SHRINKING government, and at the same time GROWING the military? How ridiculous these candidates are.

The only thing more ridiculous is the people following them. You bunch of tough talk chicken hawks.
 
HawktimusPrime said:
You delusional, oppressive, simplistic, war mongering morons. Why would you support these guys? They're a bunch of pussy chicken hawks, who want to send you and your families to war. Not war based on actual need or 'peace'. War based on economics and geographic control.

Listen to the tough talk on stage. None of these weaklings have any military experience, and yet Ted "I'm wearing makeup" Cruz is acting like Rambo. These scumbags have no idea what they are actually talking about. They don't know what actually have to go and wage war is really like. They're salesman, douchebags, and traitors to their country.

How can anyone WANT to go over there. How can anyone talk about SHRINKING government, and at the same time GROWING the military? How ridiculous these candidates are.

The only thing more ridiculous is the people following them. You bunch of tough talk chicken hawks.
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Says the tough guy behind a keyboard
 
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Well, I'm a 70 year old veteran and, full disclosure, a veteran who never set foot in a war zone but I served from 1966-70 and I lost some friends who did. Not all of them died in combat, some died from after effects like Agent Orange. And they were sent by people who were careful to avoid service themselves and made damn sure their sons didn't serve. Plenty of chicken hawks back in the 60s and 70s I guarantee ya. Chicken hawks are nothing new. They love war as long as someone else's kid is fighting it.
 
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Question: your concern and strategy related to nuclear weapons in Pakistan & Iran?
 
Chewback said:
Well, I'm a 70 year old veteran and, full disclosure, a veteran who never set foot in a war zone but I served from 1966-70 and I lost some friends who did. Not all of them died in combat, some died from after effects like Agent Orange. And they were sent by people who were careful to avoid service themselves and made damn sure their sons didn't serve. Plenty of chicken hawks back in the 60s and 70s I guarantee ya. Chicken hawks are nothing new. They love war as long as someone else's kid is fighting it.
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Thank you very much for your service, Sir. I am very sorry you lost friends serving their country.
You must have served in President Lyndon Johnson's (D) Viet Nam War?
You're too young to have served in Harry Truman's (D) Korean War or Franklin
Roosevelt's (D) WWII.
 
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And do you think there is any risk with that?
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Of course they will say it's someone else's problem. Because obviously isolationism worked so well for the United states when employed over the past century.

A rational person realizes we can't just ignore extreme dangers around the globe. The question is how do we address them. STFO is a fool's concept and really not an option (as history has taught us)
 
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Metuo Accipiter said:
Of course they will say it's someone else's problem. Because obviously isolationism worked so well for the United states when employed over the past century.

A rational person realizes we can't just ignore extreme dangers around the globe. The question is how do we address them. STFO is a fool's concept and really not an option (as history has taught us)
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No it's not, it's the concept of the wise. You're fooled by the false scenario that everyone has to be an enemy. It's called diplomacy, understanding, and sovereignty. You want to be the world traveling, bombing other peoples houses, occupying there territory type? Tell me, what is the difference between you and any other invader?

Oh and the candidates are a bunch of pussies. Even you can't deny that.
 
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I was thinking the same thing, prime. The thing is: it worked for W. In 2004 he harnessed the patriotism brought on by 9-11. He had a landslide victory in 2004, mainly built on patriotism. War Mongering. The military industrial complex marches on. Ted is trying to re-create this patriotism. I call it, "positive jingoism". Even though it's an oxymororn.
 
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No it's not, it's the concept of the wise. You're fooled by the false scenario that everyone has to be an enemy. It's called diplomacy, understanding, and sovereignty. You want to be the world traveling, bombing other peoples houses, occupying there territory type? Tell me, what is the difference between you and any other invader?

Oh and the candidates are a bunch of pussies. Even you can't deny that.
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I'm not fooled into thinking everyone is our enemy. I logically understand world dynamics and history. Bad actors exist and ignoring them doesn't make them go away.

As for your tangent about bombing everyone - obviously that's just silly drama.
 
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Metuo Accipiter said:
I'm not fooled into this king everyone is our enemy. I logically understand world dynamics and history. Bad actors exist and ignoring them doesn't make them go away.

As for your tangent about bombing everyone - obviously that's just silly drama.
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Yes, but the problem is that most of the villainy ultimately mutates from the supposed heroes. Tell me that we haven't created what we've had in the Middle East with a straight face. Tell me we Vietnam wasn't a complete waste.
 
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Yes, but the problem is that most of the villainy ultimately mutates from the supposed heroes. Tell me that we haven't created what we've had in the Middle East with a straight face. Tell me we Vietnam wasn't a complete waste.
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The US isn't responsible for the middle east culture of hate and violence. It was there long before we were involved

And yes, Vietnam was a mistake. Of course our actions should be reasoned and tempered. But we must be involved on the world stage. We are the primary insurer of stability in the world.
 
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Prime... I don't very often agree with you but I totally agree with the OP.

The voters' choice this fall will be between two less than desirable people. So we are left(no pun intended) with choosing the lesser of two evils.
 
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Prime, the voice of reason, owning the thread, staying on point.

Any of you with doomsday bunkers or panic rooms... might want to stay close to home today. I expect locusts or meteors any moment. :)
 
Metuo Accipiter said:
We gave north Korea a similar sort of deal back in the 90s. Look how great that worked out.
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I don't see nukes flying our way. Kind of stupid to send one flying our way, when we can send thousands back, along with whatever arsenal our Navy has them surrounded with at the moment.
 
Herkmeister said:
And do you think there is any risk with that?
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Nuclear weapons are a weapon of last resort. STFO has worked just fine with every nuclear nation with one exception, us. Only a fool thinks its smart to get involved and push a nuclear nation into a position where they have that last resort option on the table.
 
ottumwan in tx said:
I was thinking the same thing, prime. The thing is: it worked for W. In 2004 he harnessed the patriotism brought on by 9-11. He had a landslide victory in 2004, mainly built on patriotism. War Mongering. The military industrial complex marches on. Ted is trying to re-create this patriotism. I call it, "positive jingoism". Even though it's an oxymororn.
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Obama had this option placed before him in 2012 and wisely chose another path.
 
Raglefant said:
Prime, the voice of reason, owning the thread, staying on point.

Any of you with doomsday bunkers or panic rooms... might want to stay close to home today. I expect locusts or meteors any moment. :)
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Better hold that check.
 
Metuo Accipiter said:
The US isn't responsible for the middle east culture of hate and violence. It was there long before we were involved

And yes, Vietnam was a mistake. Of course our actions should be reasoned and tempered. But we must be involved on the world stage. We are the primary insurer of stability in the world.
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You forgot to put the "in" in front of stability. Try reading Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
 
naturalmwa said:
Nuclear weapons are a weapon of last resort. STFO has worked just fine with every nuclear nation with one exception, us. Only a fool thinks its smart to get involved and push a nuclear nation into a position where they have that last resort option on the table.
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STFO essentially means, stay off others lawns until invited. I'm not sure why so many have a hard time with this concept.
 
HawktimusPrime said:
STFO essentially means, stay off others lawns until invited. I'm not sure why so many have a hard time with this concept.
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Because one time, 70+ years ago some English guy liked the theory and all hell broke loose. So now we are supposed to draw the lesson that every tin hat dictator or band of thugs is the next Hitler with the vaunted Wehrmacht behind it. Intervention all over the world is born out of fear and or greed. Fear that all threats might pose a threat to us and greed to keep the MIC fed. And none of this historical calculation applies to nuclear states.
 
naturalmwa said:
Because one time, 70+ years ago some English guy liked the theory and all hell broke loose. So now we are supposed to draw the lesson that every tin hat dictator or band of thugs is the next Hitler with the vaunted Wehrmacht behind it. Intervention all over the world is born out of fear and or greed. Fear that all threats might pose a threat to us and greed to keep the MIC fed. And none of this historical calculation applies to nuclear states.
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It would help if we wouldn't help prop these types. Gaddafi, Saddam, The Shah, Bin Laden, even Hitler all had help from American elites
 
HawktimusPrime said:
It would help if we wouldn't help prop these types. Gaddafi, Saddam, The Shah, Bin Laden, even Hitler all had help from American elites
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Flush this out. Are you saying the US should have some laws about not trading with nations based on their type of government? There used to be a time where we at least pretended to take human rights into account in out trade and diplomacy deals. Then this idea came about that the best way to change these bad nations was to open up and deal with them so that our values would spread organically with our dollars. Has that idea been successful? What would you want?

The Gaddafi story is unique IMO as we made a deal with him to get rid of his nukes. He complied and after we got his nukes we cut his head off. Ukraine faired similarly. If I'm a nation on the verge of nukes, there is no way I'm not racing for them. Getting nukes is the only defence a nation has against us.
 
HawktimusPrime said:
You delusional, oppressive, simplistic, war mongering morons. Why would you support these guys? They're a bunch of pussy chicken hawks, who want to send you and your families to war. Not war based on actual need or 'peace'. War based on economics and geographic control.

Listen to the tough talk on stage. None of these weaklings have any military experience, and yet Ted "I'm wearing makeup" Cruz is acting like Rambo. These scumbags have no idea what they are actually talking about. They don't know what actually have to go and wage war is really like. They're salesman, douchebags, and traitors to their country.

How can anyone WANT to go over there. How can anyone talk about SHRINKING government, and at the same time GROWING the military? How ridiculous these candidates are.

The only thing more ridiculous is the people following them. You bunch of tough talk chicken hawks.
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100% agree and you can throw Hillary into that group as well. I honestly think Trump has less blood lust in him than Hillary, Marco, Ted. It is why I have been WAY WAY on the side of both outsiders (and a less extent JK) and Rand Paul initially until he dropped out. Hell Rand and Bernie have the best views on foreign policy and it isn't even close. Hillary may have the experience but if it is a combo of bad experience coupled with bad judgment it makes her as dangerous, if not more so, than the Repubs left in the race.
 
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100% agree and you can throw Hillary into that group as well. I honestly think Trump has less blood lust in him than Hillary, Marco, Ted. It is why I have been WAY WAY on the side of both outsiders (and a less extent JK) and Rand Paul initially until he dropped out. Hell Rand and Bernie have the best views on foreign policy and it isn't even close. Hillary may have the experience but if it is a combo of bad experience coupled with bad judgment it makes her as dangerous, if not more so, than the Repubs left in the race.
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That's what scares me most about this election. There is simply no escaping the war drums in this one. Not that there ever is, but this time it's completely obvious.
 
Raglefant said:
Prime, the voice of reason, owning the thread, staying on point.

Any of you with doomsday bunkers or panic rooms... might want to stay close to home today. I expect locusts or meteors any moment. :)
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Too late. My wife saw a meteor last night.
 
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