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Conference 2pt FG%

Kris. 68%
Keeg 64%
Filip 63%
Perk 52%
joeT 50%
Josh0 50%
Jobo 40%
PMac 36%
ulis. 28%
CMac 0%

how would you optimize your offensive output given these numbers….?
how would you optimize your defensive output given these numbers….??
You can throw out whatever numbers you like. 2 point percentage, 3 point percentage, effective percentage, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists, player efficiency rating.... They all take you to the same place, and for the most part they don't matter. The quicker we accept that the happier we'll all be.
 
You can throw out whatever numbers you like. 2 point percentage, 3 point percentage, effective percentage, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists, player efficiency rating.... They all take you to the same place, and for the most part they don't matter. The quicker we accept that the happier we'll all be.
Agree and disagree.
Agree we end up in same place.
Disagree, in that these are objective data points to support the Kris vs PMac argument
 
Agree and disagree.
Agree we end up in same place.
Disagree, in that these are objective data points to support the Kris vs PMac argument
The argument is pointless. Kris is miles ahead of PMac, nepotism is the only thing holding him back. We're stuck with Fran and his boys, so accepting that he values getting little McCaffrey more minutes over playing the most skilled players is the only option for me. It doesn't do any good hoping and wishing when we know where Fran's loyalties lie. Luckily we're still a fun team to watch.
 
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The argument is pointless. Kris is miles ahead of PMac, nepotism is the only thing holding him back. We're stuck with Fran and his boys, so accepting that he values getting little McCaffrey more minutes over playing the most skilled players is the only option for me. It doesn't do any good hoping and wishing when we know where Fran's loyalties lie. Luckily we're still a fun team to watch.
Man I don't want to agree with this 😬 but I do I just hope it doesn't cost us any games
 
I love those running floaters a step in front of the free throw from Patrick though
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IMO, the biggest thing holding kris back from taking some of pmacs minutes is our lack of experienced depth at the 5. Kris is essentially our backup center. So I don’t think Fran is willing to risk bringing kris in at the 3 an potentially getting both him and Rebraca in foul trouble then being forced to play ogundele/mulvey extended minutes. Right or wrong, I would guess this is where Frans head is at.
 
IMO, the biggest thing holding kris back from taking some of pmacs minutes is our lack of experienced depth at the 5. Kris is essentially our backup center. So I don’t think Fran is willing to risk bringing kris in at the 3 an potentially getting both him and Rebraca in foul trouble then being forced to play ogundele/mulvey extended minutes. Right or wrong, I would guess this is where Frans head is at.
That's not why Kris played 11 minutes last night.
 
That's not why Kris played 11 minutes last night.
No, im guessing kris getting beat two possessions in a row on a pick n roll giving up wide open layups probably didn’t help with his playing time yesterday. Im just throwing it out as a possibility for why kris doesn’t take many of pats minutes. We’ve all seen Rebracas tendency to get in foul trouble. He’s probably got 2 fouls in the first half more games than he hasn’t this season. Kris has also been foul prone. It’s jmo, but id guess it’s not very far off the mark.
 
No, im guessing kris getting beat two possessions in a row on a pick n roll giving up wide open layups probably didn’t help with his playing time yesterday. Im just throwing it out as a possibility for why kris doesn’t take many of pats minutes. We’ve all seen Rebracas tendency to get in foul trouble. He’s probably got 2 fouls in the first half more games than he hasn’t this season. Kris has also been foul prone. It’s jmo, but id guess it’s not very far off the mark.
Fran should pull pmac each time he takes an idiotic spaz looking shot then ;)
 
The argument is pointless. Kris is miles ahead of PMac, nepotism is the only thing holding him back. We're stuck with Fran and his boys, so accepting that he values getting little McCaffrey more minutes over playing the most skilled players is the only option for me. It doesn't do any good hoping and wishing when we know where Fran's loyalties lie. Luckily we're still a fun team to watch.
Agreee. its the definition of insanity
 
Fran should pull pmac each time he takes an idiotic spaz looking shot then ;)
Hey, never said i agreed with it, was only offering an opinion as to Frans possible thots on kris playing the 3/taking pats minutes. On that note, perkins/sandfort maybe should be 🤷‍♂️
we did see similar situations last yr with perkins and ulis playing really well at Rutgers then not playing a couple games after that. Doesn’t appear that Fran rewards players for playing well in 1 game, i guess he lets the games dictate the rotations. Again not saying i agree with it, just how it appears
 
No, im guessing kris getting beat two possessions in a row on a pick n roll giving up wide open layups probably didn’t help with his playing time yesterday. Im just throwing it out as a possibility for why kris doesn’t take many of pats minutes. We’ve all seen Rebracas tendency to get in foul trouble. He’s probably got 2 fouls in the first half more games than he hasn’t this season. Kris has also been foul prone. It’s jmo, but id guess it’s not very far off the mark.

you do realize PMAC is a lot worse defender than Kris? Your context is two possession. Kris is foul prone because he defends and rebounds and blocks shots. PMAC gets called for very few fouls because he has a tendency to stand around at watch on defense and shy away from mixing it up in the paint. CMAC is by far the tougher McCaffery.
 
Hey, never said i agreed with it, was only offering an opinion as to Frans possible thots on kris playing the 3/taking pats minutes. On that note, perkins/sandfort maybe should be 🤷‍♂️
we did see similar situations last yr with perkins and ulis playing really well at Rutgers then not playing a couple games after that. Doesn’t appear that Fran rewards players for playing well in 1 game, i guess he lets the games dictate the rotations. Again not saying i agree with it, just how it appears
I know :)
 
No, im guessing kris getting beat two possessions in a row on a pick n roll giving up wide open layups probably didn’t help with his playing time yesterday. Im just throwing it out as a possibility for why kris doesn’t take many of pats minutes. We’ve all seen Rebracas tendency to get in foul trouble. He’s probably got 2 fouls in the first half more games than he hasn’t this season. Kris has also been foul prone. It’s jmo, but id guess it’s not very far off the mark.
He gave up one backdoor layup on a slip and another one that was contested at the glass. Neither were pick and roll and those were the only 2 baskets he allowed in 8 first half minutes. He also had a block against a player he wasn't defending and crashed the boards resulting in 2 rebounds for himself and at least 3 others where he had his hands on it and it went to other players. His defense and rebounding are superior to everyone else on the team with the exception of Keegan.

Again, fouls weren't the reason he only played 11 minutes last night. He had 2 and Rebraca had 2. Just like they weren't the reason why he only averaged 11 minutes in the 4 games before Wisconsin.
 
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IMO, the biggest thing holding kris back from taking some of pmacs minutes is our lack of experienced depth at the 5. Kris is essentially our backup center. So I don’t think Fran is willing to risk bringing kris in at the 3 an potentially getting both him and Rebraca in foul trouble then being forced to play ogundele/mulvey extended minutes. Right or wrong, I would guess this is where Frans head is at.
So you’re saying it makes sense to have Kris watch the majority of the game from the bench?
 
IMO, the biggest thing holding kris back from taking some of pmacs minutes is our lack of experienced depth at the 5. Kris is essentially our backup center. So I don’t think Fran is willing to risk bringing kris in at the 3 an potentially getting both him and Rebraca in foul trouble then being forced to play ogundele/mulvey extended minutes. Right or wrong, I would guess this is where Frans head is at.
There is some truth here for sure, at least in the first half.

But once they're in the last 10-15 minutes of the game theres no reason Kris can't play any of the front line positions.

Second half the priority needs to be both Murrays in the game and then figure out if it makes more sense to have Pat or Philip in with them.
 
There is some truth here for sure, at least in the first half.

But once they're in the last 10-15 minutes of the game theres no reason Kris can't play any of the front line positions.

Second half the priority needs to be both Murrays in the game and then figure out if it makes more sense to have Pat or Philip in with them.
I totally agree. That is just my thought process on what Fran is potentially thinking. But yes, like yesterday, if both rebraca and kris aren’t in foul trouble kris should definitely be getting moved around and playing lots of minutes. Ive been plenty critical of Frans substitution patterns, so im definitely not making excuses for him.
 
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you do realize PMAC is a lot worse defender than Kris? Your context is two possession. Kris is foul prone because he defends and rebounds and blocks shots. PMAC gets called for very few fouls because he has a tendency to stand around at watch on defense and shy away from mixing it up in the paint. CMAC is by far the tougher McCaffery.
Agree.
PMac avg 1.15 fouls / conf game.
PMac has been conditioned his entire life not to foul and not to sit…
 
Agree.
PMac avg 1.15 fouls / conf game.
PMac has been conditioned his entire life not to foul and not to sit…
The point was that both rebraca and kris are foul prone and are the 2 best options we have at the 5, and that being a reason to not play kris at the 3 for pat. For fear of him and Rebraca both getting in foul trouble. Ik how vocal a proponent uve been for ogundele so im sure you disagree there, but point still stands. Pmac never fouling doesn’t really have anything to do with kris being foul prone.
 
WRONG.
Kris, a small forward playing defense vs Kofi Cockburn, or any B1G pivot, or any PF, and you wonder why he’s ‘foul prone‘? (meanwhile PMac stands around the perimeter and fouls at rate of 1 foul per game).

Kris playing defense in the pivot is different than PMac watching from the perimeter.

Ogundele has demonstrated his defense in 14 minutes at Purdue ( in maybe IOWAs bets game) and then again in a few minutes vs Kofi and then in a few possessions 1v1 on TDJ. Is he perfect, no, but Ogundele in the paint does give IOWA a physical big.

for me, I’d love to see the Murray’s overmatching opposition forwards, scoring at incredibly efficient rates, and giving the post defense responsibilities to a physical big that is totally expendable, while also limiting PMac and his poor shooting and poor defense relegated to a back up role.

improving both offensive and defensive efficiency

this should be painfully obvious.
 
Perhaps we could put Patrick in the center spot. Yaaaaa know, just to toughen him up a bit. Maybe use some of his unused fouls. Or see how fast he gets out of Kofi's way.
 
IMO, the biggest thing holding kris back from taking some of pmacs minutes is our lack of experienced depth at the 5. Kris is essentially our backup center. So I don’t think Fran is willing to risk bringing kris in at the 3 an potentially getting both him and Rebraca in foul trouble then being forced to play ogundele/mulvey extended minutes. Right or wrong, I would guess this is where Frans head is at.

Fran should take a look at the PF/G star of both Fil and KrM. I think they’ve each gotten 4 fouls once. He’s such a spaz with his “not gonna let em feel handcuffed out there” mentality. He’s doing just that by benching them with two fouls. God forbid they are a little aggressive on defense, they get benched for 28 minutes (Kris against Minnesota) or Filip a few games this season. Thankfully they both continue to play tough defense, but Pmac has gone 10 games this season with 0 fouls. Glad we are opting to keep running floaters, fade away shit ass shot selection, crappy rebounding, and awful defense at minimum 20 mpg. FFS.
 
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Guys, Fran is saving him for our NPOY run next year.
It's really all we have going right now.
4 years in a row!
 
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Guys, Fran is saving him for our NPOY run next year.
It's really all we have going right now.
4 years in a row!
Fran would be the only coach in history to have NPOY in 3 consecutive years and not have a winning post season record
 
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WRONG.
Kris, a small forward playing defense vs Kofi Cockburn, or any B1G pivot, or any PF, and you wonder why he’s ‘foul prone‘? (meanwhile PMac stands around the perimeter and fouls at rate of 1 foul per game).

Kris playing defense in the pivot is different than PMac watching from the perimeter.

Ogundele has demonstrated his defense in 14 minutes at Purdue ( in maybe IOWAs bets game) and then again in a few minutes vs Kofi and then in a few possessions 1v1 on TDJ. Is he perfect, no, but Ogundele in the paint does give IOWA a physical big.

for me, I’d love to see the Murray’s overmatching opposition forwards, scoring at incredibly efficient rates, and giving the post defense responsibilities to a physical big that is totally expendable, while also limiting PMac and his poor shooting and poor defense relegated to a back up role.

improving both offensive and defensive efficiency

this should be painfully obvious.
JO got all of two minutes against Illinois. And Fran wonders why people criticize him.
 
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No, im guessing kris getting beat two possessions in a row on a pick n roll giving up wide open layups probably didn’t help with his playing time yesterday. Im just throwing it out as a possibility for why kris doesn’t take many of pats minutes. We’ve all seen Rebracas tendency to get in foul trouble. He’s probably got 2 fouls in the first half more games than he hasn’t this season. Kris has also been foul prone. It’s jmo, but id guess it’s not very far off the mark.
I think what people are saying is okay, if we are benching a guy for a couple of defensive lapses than it needs to apply to everyone. It does not appear that is the case.
 
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JO got all of two minutes against Illinois. And Fran wonders why people criticize him.
We saw how purdues bigs forced Kofi into poor offensive night, 10 pts in double OT game.

Fran thinks it’s better to have Kris, and CMac defending him….(mind blown)

= coaching blunder
 
I think what people are saying is okay, if we are benching a guy for a couple of defensive lapses than it needs to apply to everyone. It does not appear that is the case.
Agreed. Ive been plenty vocal in other threads about Frans sub patterns and him pulling joe for no reason. But all ive done this thread are give my thoughts on why Fran is perhaps not playing kris at the 3 for Pat. And the insufferable idiots on here are acting like it’s me that isn’t playing him 🤣
Nobody knows wat is going thru Frans head, there has to be some kind of method to his madness. Outside of his ast coaches, nobody knows what that is besides him.
 
Easiest conclusion is that getting the ball to the twins, especially Keegan, inside 10 ft is a good way to score. Rebraca has also played well against the non-monster centers. Patrick needs to learn what a high-percentage shot is for him.
 
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Easiest conclusion is that getting the ball to the twins, especially Keegan, inside 10 ft is a good way to score. Rebraca has also played well against the non-monster centers. Patrick needs to learn what a high-percentage shot is for him.
Totally agree, such high efficiency scorers, it’s a shame they each don’t get 35 and 30m

filip is also a surprising efficient scorer, with some nice back to the rim post moves, he can score down there at hi relate and i like that it gives iowa a post scoring option….

these should be the 1st 3 options,

id almost rather have CMac in the game as a #2 guard (than PMac)as he’d do nothing but feed the post and by virtue of #2 guard he’d not kill us on the boards,
 
Kris. 68%
Keeg 64%
Filip 63%
Perk 52%
joeT 50%
Josh0 50%
Jobo 40%
PMac 36%
ulis. 28%
CMac 0%

how would you optimize your offensive output given these numbers….?
how would you optimize your defensive output given these numbers….??
One of numbers looks like it doesn't belong. 🤔
 
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