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Nice to see that, despite Paul Ryans calls for sanity, congressional Republicans remain steadfast as the party of no:

WASHINGTON — President Obama sends Congress his eighth and last annual budget proposal on Tuesday, a lame-duck executive’s accounting of national priorities that Republican leaders have branded sight unseen: dead before arrival.

But some new ideas that the administration previewed in recent weeks, including on cancer research, opioid abuse and military projects, could have more life than Republicans care to admit. A $10-a-barrel oil tax for infrastructure and clean transportation projects is certain to be too much for conservatives, but administration officials said some initiatives would prevail in some form.

Congressional Republicans went to new lengths to extinguish any such expectations. Breaking with a 41-year-old tradition, the Republican chairmen of the House and Senate budget committees announced that they would not even give the president’s budget director, Shaun Donovan, the usual hearings in their panels this week.

G. William Hoagland, who was the Republican staff director at the Senate Budget Committee for much of the 1980s and 1990s, and is senior vice president of the Bipartisan Policy Center, said he could not recall a year since the modern budget process took effect in the 1970s when a president’s budget director was not invited to testify before the budget committees.

“While the last budget of an outgoing president is usually aspirational, and sets a theme for what he or she hopes will be followed up by his or her successor, it nonetheless should be reviewed by the Congress,” Mr. Hoagland said.

On Monday, 14 Democrats on the House Budget Committee signed a letter calling the snub “disrespectful to the committee members, the public and the president.” And like Mr. Hoagland, other Republicans criticized the decision, which injects partisan toxicity early in a year of election pressures.

“I believe that permitting the administration the courtesy of explaining its intent and what it thinks of the policy should have been maintained,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office and an economic adviser to Republicans. Besides, he added, “it gives you an opportunity to express why you disagree.”

The rebuff of Mr. Donovan was at odds with the civility that Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin has sought, going back to his time as House Budget Committee chairman. A senior adviser to Mr. Ryan, Brendan Buck, said the speaker was informed before his committee successor, Representative Tom Price of Georgia, issued the statement with his Senate counterpart, Mike Enzi of Wyoming, indicating Mr. Donovan was unwelcome.

“This was a decision made by the budget committee, but we support the chairman,” Mr. Buck said.

Mr. Price and Mr. Enzi said in their statement, “Rather than spend time on a proposal that, if anything like this administration’s previous budgets, will double down on the same failed policies that have led to the worst economic recovery in modern times, Congress should continue our work on building a budget that balances and that will foster a healthy economy.”


But some of the president’s spending priorities are shared by key Republicans, including senators seeking re-election in swing states. Those include $1 billion to research cures for cancer and another $1 billion over two years to expand treatment for people addicted to prescription opioids or heroin.

When Mr. Obama took office in 2009, the country was in a recession and running the first annual deficit exceeding $1 trillion, and unemployment reached 10 percent.

Since then, annual deficits have been cut by three-quarters to 2.5 percent of gross domestic product, which is below the level that most economists find troublesome. The jobless rate has been cut by more than half, to 4.9 percent. Contributing to the decline of deficits were bipartisan spending caps, the economic recovery and the end of some Bush-era tax cuts.

Mr. Obama’s budget will project, as the Congressional Budget Office recently did, that the deficit will begin rising again this year, several years sooner than expected. The budget office concluded the main reason for the increase is Congress and the president’s agreement in December to permanently extend a raft of temporary tax cuts for corporations and individuals without offsetting budget savings. The president had proposed closing some tax breaks, but Republicans oppose tax increases.


Mr. Obama’s budget once again will emphasize domestic programs, recycling initiatives that he would offset with increased taxes from the wealthy and some corporations.

New ideas he has previewed include:

■ A state-based system of wage insurance to replace up to half of workers’ wages if they lose a job or are forced to take lower-paying employment.

■ A $2 billion pilot program testing state and local innovations for aiding families in distress, for example because of job loss, serious illness or substance abuse.

■ Financial incentives for states that have not yet expanded their Medicaid programs to cover many more uninsured workers.

■ Expanded options for tax-favored retirement savings for workers at small businesses.

■ $12 billion over 10 years to expand food benefits for poor children in the summer, when they do not receive free or subsidized school meals.

■ A reduced version of the so-called Cadillac tax on employer-provided insurance plans, which was designed to control health spending but proved highly unpopular with unions and both parties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/u...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
 
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I read the CNN article, and it read as if the budget assumed a deficit always for the next decade. Why would we build a budget that runs at a deficit? Has anyone else ever worked for a public company and been involved in the budgeting process? I have, and I guarantee I'd have lost my job if I'd proposed a serious budget where expenses exceeded revenue.

Maybe this is commonplace for the federal government, and if so, why? I don't pretend to understand all the inner workings of the government, but some on here do, so help me out. Why would we build, and seriously propose, a budget that calls for more spend than revenue?
 
I read the CNN article, and it read as if the budget assumed a deficit always for the next decade. Why would we build a budget that runs at a deficit? Has anyone else ever worked for a public company and been involved in the budgeting process? I have, and I guarantee I'd have lost my job if I'd proposed a serious budget where expenses exceeded revenue.

Maybe this is commonplace for the federal government, and if so, why? I don't pretend to understand all the inner workings of the government, but some on here do, so help me out. Why would we build, and seriously propose, a budget that calls for more spend than revenue?

I'd like to know why the government blows a bunch of money on printed copies?

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IT'S THE 21st CENTURY, YOU MORONS! READ IT ON A TABLET!
 
Why would we build a budget that runs at a deficit?
Because even more than rejecting anything Obama, Republicans refuse to consider raising sufficient revenues to pay the bills.

Obama could propose a balanced budget by cutting cherished D programs and, instead of cheering, the first thing the Rs would do is pass a tax cut for the well-off to make it "revenue neutral" - meaning they would restore the deficit and force more borrowing and debt.

It's a Republican thing. I don't understand.
 
If a D congress locked the R President out of the budget talks we would never hear the end of it. Years later it would be sighted as the reason for any and every problem with a dollar sign attached to it. But Ds are bad at marketing and will once again let the Rs off the hook.
 
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If a D congress locked the R President out of the budget talks we would never hear the end of it. Years later it would be sighted as the reason for any and every problem with a dollar sign attached to it. But Ds are bad at marketing and will once again let the Rs off the hook.

We're never hearing the end of it now. Personally, I think it's great. I LOVE GRIDLOCK!
 
We're never hearing the end of it now. Personally, I think it's great. I LOVE GRIDLOCK!
It's too early to say that yet, it's a new story. Never hearing the end of it means it is still referenced weeks and months from now. I bet Ds fail to bring it up. If you love gridlock, you should vote for Bernie.
 
This is Bernie's high-water mark. Clinton will clean his clock everywhere else. South Carolina blacks aren't going to vote for an old Jewish guy.
 
I still get a kick out of the 5% unemployment rate. Real unemployment is over 10%, Obama just shifted the numbers to SSDI.
 
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Nice to see that, despite Paul Ryans calls for sanity, congressional Republicans remain steadfast as the party of no:

WASHINGTON — President Obama sends Congress his eighth and last annual budget proposal on Tuesday, a lame-duck executive’s accounting of national priorities that Republican leaders have branded sight unseen: dead before arrival.

But some new ideas that the administration previewed in recent weeks, including on cancer research, opioid abuse and military projects, could have more life than Republicans care to admit. A $10-a-barrel oil tax for infrastructure and clean transportation projects is certain to be too much for conservatives, but administration officials said some initiatives would prevail in some form.

Congressional Republicans went to new lengths to extinguish any such expectations. Breaking with a 41-year-old tradition, the Republican chairmen of the House and Senate budget committees announced that they would not even give the president’s budget director, Shaun Donovan, the usual hearings in their panels this week.

G. William Hoagland, who was the Republican staff director at the Senate Budget Committee for much of the 1980s and 1990s, and is senior vice president of the Bipartisan Policy Center, said he could not recall a year since the modern budget process took effect in the 1970s when a president’s budget director was not invited to testify before the budget committees.

“While the last budget of an outgoing president is usually aspirational, and sets a theme for what he or she hopes will be followed up by his or her successor, it nonetheless should be reviewed by the Congress,” Mr. Hoagland said.

On Monday, 14 Democrats on the House Budget Committee signed a letter calling the snub “disrespectful to the committee members, the public and the president.” And like Mr. Hoagland, other Republicans criticized the decision, which injects partisan toxicity early in a year of election pressures.

“I believe that permitting the administration the courtesy of explaining its intent and what it thinks of the policy should have been maintained,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office and an economic adviser to Republicans. Besides, he added, “it gives you an opportunity to express why you disagree.”

The rebuff of Mr. Donovan was at odds with the civility that Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin has sought, going back to his time as House Budget Committee chairman. A senior adviser to Mr. Ryan, Brendan Buck, said the speaker was informed before his committee successor, Representative Tom Price of Georgia, issued the statement with his Senate counterpart, Mike Enzi of Wyoming, indicating Mr. Donovan was unwelcome.

“This was a decision made by the budget committee, but we support the chairman,” Mr. Buck said.

Mr. Price and Mr. Enzi said in their statement, “Rather than spend time on a proposal that, if anything like this administration’s previous budgets, will double down on the same failed policies that have led to the worst economic recovery in modern times, Congress should continue our work on building a budget that balances and that will foster a healthy economy.”


But some of the president’s spending priorities are shared by key Republicans, including senators seeking re-election in swing states. Those include $1 billion to research cures for cancer and another $1 billion over two years to expand treatment for people addicted to prescription opioids or heroin.

When Mr. Obama took office in 2009, the country was in a recession and running the first annual deficit exceeding $1 trillion, and unemployment reached 10 percent.

Since then, annual deficits have been cut by three-quarters to 2.5 percent of gross domestic product, which is below the level that most economists find troublesome. The jobless rate has been cut by more than half, to 4.9 percent. Contributing to the decline of deficits were bipartisan spending caps, the economic recovery and the end of some Bush-era tax cuts.

Mr. Obama’s budget will project, as the Congressional Budget Office recently did, that the deficit will begin rising again this year, several years sooner than expected. The budget office concluded the main reason for the increase is Congress and the president’s agreement in December to permanently extend a raft of temporary tax cuts for corporations and individuals without offsetting budget savings. The president had proposed closing some tax breaks, but Republicans oppose tax increases.


Mr. Obama’s budget once again will emphasize domestic programs, recycling initiatives that he would offset with increased taxes from the wealthy and some corporations.

New ideas he has previewed include:

■ A state-based system of wage insurance to replace up to half of workers’ wages if they lose a job or are forced to take lower-paying employment.

■ A $2 billion pilot program testing state and local innovations for aiding families in distress, for example because of job loss, serious illness or substance abuse.

■ Financial incentives for states that have not yet expanded their Medicaid programs to cover many more uninsured workers.

■ Expanded options for tax-favored retirement savings for workers at small businesses.

■ $12 billion over 10 years to expand food benefits for poor children in the summer, when they do not receive free or subsidized school meals.

■ A reduced version of the so-called Cadillac tax on employer-provided insurance plans, which was designed to control health spending but proved highly unpopular with unions and both parties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/u...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
How do you know so much about what the budget contained?.......I'm sure the Republicans
know as well. They didn't like what he wanted to spend ....other ideas.
They wanted input. Obama playing the role of dictator........for the last time. Can't wait until he's gone.
 
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Why wouldn't we cut the heck out of waste, and then worry about more taxes?

It's counterproductive to burden people with more taxes without due diligence in cleaning up the waste. Sure, sometimes spend within a given you may have to exceed revenue, but to plan it that way up front seems ridiculous, and I can't blame anyone for not giving that the time of day, particularly if it calls for 10 years of it...
 
Why wouldn't we cut the heck out of waste, and then worry about more taxes?

It's counterproductive to burden people with more taxes without due diligence in cleaning up the waste. Sure, sometimes spend within a given you may have to exceed revenue, but to plan it that way up front seems ridiculous, and I can't blame anyone for not giving that the time of day, particularly if it calls for 10 years of it...
We cut all the easy waste long ago. Everything left is either very important to someone or too small to matter. Don't believe me? Go through the budget and tell us where you would cut 20%
 
I read the CNN article, and it read as if the budget assumed a deficit always for the next decade. Why would we build a budget that runs at a deficit? Has anyone else ever worked for a public company and been involved in the budgeting process? I have, and I guarantee I'd have lost my job if I'd proposed a serious budget where expenses exceeded revenue.

Maybe this is commonplace for the federal government, and if so, why? I don't pretend to understand all the inner workings of the government, but some on here do, so help me out. Why would we build, and seriously propose, a budget that calls for more spend than revenue?
It's the liberal way, if bernie gets in this budget is peanuts compared with what's to come...
 
We cut all the easy waste long ago. Everything left is either very important to someone or too small to matter. Don't believe me? Go through the budget and tell us where you would cut 20%
No we didnt, the politicians still have a retirement better than any of us and there aren't term limits. Get that enacted and waste be gone!
 
We cut all the easy waste long ago. Everything left is either very important to someone or too small to matter. Don't believe me? Go through the budget and tell us where you would cut 20%

I would just throw darts at it until I reached the desired cuts.

Ooops, sorry Bureau of Indian Affairs, but this isn't the 1800s anymore. Buh-bye.
 
I would just throw darts at it until I reached the desired cuts.

Ooops, sorry Bureau of Indian Affairs, but this isn't the 1800s anymore. Buh-bye.
You would need to be a good shot to hit that one. That's a savings of about two billion. Keep going. Cut another 500 billion from the list.
 
Nice to see that, despite Paul Ryans calls for sanity, congressional Republicans remain steadfast as the party of no:

WASHINGTON — President Obama sends Congress his eighth and last annual budget proposal on Tuesday, a lame-duck executive’s accounting of national priorities that Republican leaders have branded sight unseen: dead before arrival.

But some new ideas that the administration previewed in recent weeks, including on cancer research, opioid abuse and military projects, could have more life than Republicans care to admit. A $10-a-barrel oil tax for infrastructure and clean transportation projects is certain to be too much for conservatives, but administration officials said some initiatives would prevail in some form.

Congressional Republicans went to new lengths to extinguish any such expectations. Breaking with a 41-year-old tradition, the Republican chairmen of the House and Senate budget committees announced that they would not even give the president’s budget director, Shaun Donovan, the usual hearings in their panels this week.

G. William Hoagland, who was the Republican staff director at the Senate Budget Committee for much of the 1980s and 1990s, and is senior vice president of the Bipartisan Policy Center, said he could not recall a year since the modern budget process took effect in the 1970s when a president’s budget director was not invited to testify before the budget committees.

“While the last budget of an outgoing president is usually aspirational, and sets a theme for what he or she hopes will be followed up by his or her successor, it nonetheless should be reviewed by the Congress,” Mr. Hoagland said.

On Monday, 14 Democrats on the House Budget Committee signed a letter calling the snub “disrespectful to the committee members, the public and the president.” And like Mr. Hoagland, other Republicans criticized the decision, which injects partisan toxicity early in a year of election pressures.

“I believe that permitting the administration the courtesy of explaining its intent and what it thinks of the policy should have been maintained,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office and an economic adviser to Republicans. Besides, he added, “it gives you an opportunity to express why you disagree.”

The rebuff of Mr. Donovan was at odds with the civility that Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin has sought, going back to his time as House Budget Committee chairman. A senior adviser to Mr. Ryan, Brendan Buck, said the speaker was informed before his committee successor, Representative Tom Price of Georgia, issued the statement with his Senate counterpart, Mike Enzi of Wyoming, indicating Mr. Donovan was unwelcome.

“This was a decision made by the budget committee, but we support the chairman,” Mr. Buck said.

Mr. Price and Mr. Enzi said in their statement, “Rather than spend time on a proposal that, if anything like this administration’s previous budgets, will double down on the same failed policies that have led to the worst economic recovery in modern times, Congress should continue our work on building a budget that balances and that will foster a healthy economy.”


But some of the president’s spending priorities are shared by key Republicans, including senators seeking re-election in swing states. Those include $1 billion to research cures for cancer and another $1 billion over two years to expand treatment for people addicted to prescription opioids or heroin.

When Mr. Obama took office in 2009, the country was in a recession and running the first annual deficit exceeding $1 trillion, and unemployment reached 10 percent.

Since then, annual deficits have been cut by three-quarters to 2.5 percent of gross domestic product, which is below the level that most economists find troublesome. The jobless rate has been cut by more than half, to 4.9 percent. Contributing to the decline of deficits were bipartisan spending caps, the economic recovery and the end of some Bush-era tax cuts.

Mr. Obama’s budget will project, as the Congressional Budget Office recently did, that the deficit will begin rising again this year, several years sooner than expected. The budget office concluded the main reason for the increase is Congress and the president’s agreement in December to permanently extend a raft of temporary tax cuts for corporations and individuals without offsetting budget savings. The president had proposed closing some tax breaks, but Republicans oppose tax increases.


Mr. Obama’s budget once again will emphasize domestic programs, recycling initiatives that he would offset with increased taxes from the wealthy and some corporations.

New ideas he has previewed include:

■ A state-based system of wage insurance to replace up to half of workers’ wages if they lose a job or are forced to take lower-paying employment.

■ A $2 billion pilot program testing state and local innovations for aiding families in distress, for example because of job loss, serious illness or substance abuse.

■ Financial incentives for states that have not yet expanded their Medicaid programs to cover many more uninsured workers.

■ Expanded options for tax-favored retirement savings for workers at small businesses.

■ $12 billion over 10 years to expand food benefits for poor children in the summer, when they do not receive free or subsidized school meals.

■ A reduced version of the so-called Cadillac tax on employer-provided insurance plans, which was designed to control health spending but proved highly unpopular with unions and both parties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/u...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Dead on arrival is not a new term. Dems have used it plenty for Republican POTUS. Glad you are finally getting mad about it.
 
I'd like to know why the government blows a bunch of money on printed copies?

39FE1746-A962-4BDB-B6D4-AA5D5B0980AA_w900_r1_s.jpg


IT'S THE 21st CENTURY, YOU MORONS! READ IT ON A TABLET!

Like many things in government it is probably required by code or law. All it takes is someone to change the rules but that isn't sexy so we try to overturn ACA for the 312th time.
 
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We cut all the easy waste long ago. Everything left is either very important to someone or too small to matter. Don't believe me? Go through the budget and tell us where you would cut 20%
I'm not going through the budget, but I would be willing to bet that everything on the sheet appears necessary at first glance. I'm also willing to bet many of the amounts on it are as high as they are because those who request it haven't done everything they could to make their departments run efficiently. Rather than do so, they just request enough to cover their inefficiencies (Multiple levels of approval to buy office supplies for instance). I'm guessing the budget could be cut significantly without cutting any of the entitlements people love to focus arguments around.

I also hear stories daily from my wife, who is an RN at a sleep medicine clinic, and I know there are plenty of able-bodied, mentally stable individuals on medicaid, with no jobs, who simply don't want them and are happy to stay home and collect. Just last week she told me about a guy who was unemployed, and had commented that he's had jobs before, but gets bored so he just quit working. There are people who make a living helping other people get government money. We'll never clean it up entirely, but continuing to throw money at the issue won't fix it.

Cutting is hard, making things more efficient is hard, but both are necessary, and there's no incentive for the federal government to make the effort. Why do we put up with, and in some cases support that?
In a normal job, the budget requester is sent back to the drawing board and told to cut the fat and come back when it balances. Let alone the CEO approving and presenting a budget that isn't expected to produce for 10 years!? 3 years MAYBE for a growing business, but 10 years with no offset for the spend? IMO, it's time we expect better than that of our elected officials. BTW I'm not singling out Obama here, I'm sure it's been this way under GOP presidents as well.
 
If I had managed to get most of the tax cuts I wanted, most the regulations I disliked removed, most of the safety net underfunded, climate change efforts stalled, and so on . . . yeah, I'd like gridlock, too.

Gridlock locks in the status quo. If you like the status quo, you like gridlock.

Do the voters for Trump and Bernie like the status quo? Whose supporters do like the status quo?
 
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This is Bernie's high-water mark. Clinton will clean his clock everywhere else. South Carolina blacks aren't going to vote for an old Jewish guy.
This remains to be seen, but you may be right. Bernie will have his work cut out for him from here on out. What he does have going for him, though, is that he seen as way more likable and trustworthy than Clinton. We'll see what happens.
 
This remains to be seen, but you may be right. Bernie will have his work cut out for him from here on out. What he does have going for him, though, is that he seen as way more likable and trustworthy than Clinton. We'll see what happens.
This is why Hillary is working so hard to smear Bernie. The problem is that she has trouble coming up with TRUE reasons to criticize him. But that doesn't stop her.

She basically has one issue that she can point to: gun control. Bernie is more centrist on guns. Lot of Americans agree with him, and those who don't won't reject him for being slightly wrong on that issue.

A month ago, I was willing to consider holding my nose an voting for Hillary this fall. She's pretty much eliminated that possibility with her sleazy, dishonest attacks on Bernie and his fans.
 
I'm not going through the budget, but I would be willing to bet that everything on the sheet appears necessary at first glance. I'm also willing to bet many of the amounts on it are as high as they are because those who request it haven't done everything they could to make their departments run efficiently. Rather than do so, they just request enough to cover their inefficiencies (Multiple levels of approval to buy office supplies for instance). I'm guessing the budget could be cut significantly without cutting any of the entitlements people love to focus arguments around.

I also hear stories daily from my wife, who is an RN at a sleep medicine clinic, and I know there are plenty of able-bodied, mentally stable individuals on medicaid, with no jobs, who simply don't want them and are happy to stay home and collect. Just last week she told me about a guy who was unemployed, and had commented that he's had jobs before, but gets bored so he just quit working. There are people who make a living helping other people get government money. We'll never clean it up entirely, but continuing to throw money at the issue won't fix it.

Cutting is hard, making things more efficient is hard, but both are necessary, and there's no incentive for the federal government to make the effort. Why do we put up with, and in some cases support that?
In a normal job, the budget requester is sent back to the drawing board and told to cut the fat and come back when it balances. Let alone the CEO approving and presenting a budget that isn't expected to produce for 10 years!? 3 years MAYBE for a growing business, but 10 years with no offset for the spend? IMO, it's time we expect better than that of our elected officials. BTW I'm not singling out Obama here, I'm sure it's been this way under GOP presidents as well.
We agree on one thing, cutting is hard. The deficit is just under $500 billion. If you take the position that we don't need to raise taxes and can cut $500 billion to balance things, its incumbent on you to spell out what you want to cut. I don't think there is anywhere near that much waste, fraud and abuse in the system. When you research what people call waste, it comes up to peanuts. When you research these stories about bored people getting welfare, you find out they are largely fiction. If you are going to cut our way to a balanced budget, you will have to cut programs that are actually substantial. That's the reason cutting will be hard.
 
If I had managed to get most of the tax cuts I wanted, most the regulations I disliked removed, most of the safety net underfunded, climate change efforts stalled, and so on . . . yeah, I'd like gridlock, too.

Gridlock locks in the status quo. If you like the status quo, you like gridlock.

Do the voters for Trump and Bernie like the status quo? Whose supporters do like the status quo?
I'm more happy with the status quo than I have been in a long time.
 
This remains to be seen, but you may be right. Bernie will have his work cut out for him from here on out. What he does have going for him, though, is that he seen as way more likable and trustworthy than Clinton. We'll see what happens.
Don't you think its weird that people get likable from Bernie? I like much of what he has to sell, but if I had to sit next to him on a plane flight I would probably pretend to sleep. The man seems eternally grumpy.
 
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Don't you think its weird that people get likable from Bernie? I like much of what he has to sell, but if I had to sit next to him on a plane flight I would probably pretend to sleep. The man seems eternally grumpy.
I had lunch with him in 2014. He didn't say much. It was like sitting next to my grandpa after the Thanksgiving meal.
 
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