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Conservatives and NIL

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So it seems like a lot of conservatives (not all but a lot) hate the NIL and are wanting Public institutions to step in and take away the right for young adults to make money in the free market. I’ve seen suggestions of setting a cap on how much a person can make, having them sign a contract to take away the freedom of transferring, not offering them a scholarship because they will make too much, etc…

If you are on the right, why do you think this?
 
What conservatives are against this? These things have been happening under the table for a long time. I really hope these kids are setting some $ aside for tax season. Teams need to make sure they have access to good financial advice.
 
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As someone who can, but cannot, read the lounge I don't think it has as much to do with voting and everything to do with age. What I will term "old" people seem to be hating NIL. I don't know that "old" can be quantified by political party. Quite frankly there are a ton of Iowa fans who swallowed the shit pill of us winning a 6 team race once every 6 years because we "do it right" and the NCAA said they Dgaf about the "right way".

Ask torbee how he feels about our awesome NIL program.
 
What conservatives are against this? These things have been happening under the table for a long time. I really hope these kids are setting some $ aside for tax season. Teams need to make sure they have access to good financial advice.
I’m sure you know plenty but for stereotypes sake, ask any white male over 50 about their thoughts on this.
 
I’m sure you know plenty but for stereotypes sake, ask any white male over 50 about their thoughts on this.
You just hit the nail on the head and it has nothing to do with political.party and everything to do with the bullshit "keep student atheletes as student atheletes" as if the universities don't make bank off the players.
 
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You just hit the nail on the head and it has nothing to do with political.party and everything to do with the bullshit "keep student atheletes as student atheletes" as if the universities don't make bank off the players.
I do agree it is older people But the thing is a lot of conservatives are said stereotype but have different beliefs when it comes to the economy. Older democrats or democrats in general prefer regulation from government which is why I didn’t single them out.

Im just asking the right, why so hypocritical on this subject?
 
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I do agree it is older people But the thing is a lot of conservatives are said stereotype but have different beliefs when it comes to the economy. Older democrats or democrats in general prefer regulation from government which is why I didn’t single them out.

Im just asking the right, why so hypocritical on this subject?
Hypocritical?
 
Hypocritical?
Say you are a Republican that preach free market economics and getting government out of the way. Now imagine that same person saying NIL is bad and we need government intervention to regulate the free market of young adults making tons of $$$$.

That is being a hypocrite on your economic view.
 
63 year old conservative here…

Against NIL because we already have professional leagues. Why should a college own and run a professional team? If the players are professionals, do they still have to meet academic standards? Will the NCAA be allowed to kill a $1 million NIL because a player does not have a sufficient GPA and progress?

There is no reason for a college to run a professional team.
 
I am conservative and don’t care. Those players deserve it more than some Title IX women on the rowing team.

it shows what was going on under the table for decades.

I find it funny that so many people think the school has something to do with the NIL money. They don’t, they won’t, and they want to keep it that way.

if they are not getting playing time the money will stop rolling in and they will use the portal to get playing time.

it all works out. The oddity is hot girls getting serious deal only because sex sells, which likely infuriates many.

johnny football and PVG would have made millions and millions if they were born a little later.
 
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OP, I'm a Libertarian and fiscal conservative. Do I count?

I think kids should be able to make whatever deal they can make on their own. The only 'restriction' should be a requirement to report their income and income source. Schools shouldn't be facilitating the deals. Boosters shouldn't get preferential treatment with schools for pay kids NIL money.

As far as a contract goes, that moves closer to employer / employee law, and that's a can of worms. It's been on the table since the Northwestern ruling.

On a related note, the transfer portal needs a little more structure. Still allow transfers without penalty, but narrow the window so coaches can somewhat manage their rosters. Without penalty should also be a one-time thing, with transferring from a junior college not counting against that.
 
63 year old conservative here…

Against NIL because we already have professional leagues. Why should a college own and run a professional team? If the players are professionals, do they still have to meet academic standards? Will the NCAA be allowed to kill a $1 million NIL because a player does not have a sufficient GPA and progress?

There is no reason for a college to run a professional team.
No on the academic standards. The NIL deal likely has eligibility requirements as part of the contract. Let the market work, don’t be scared lol
 
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I recognize the moral and ethical right of players to freedom of movement and to be compensated for their sport.

You can do that, and still recognize the damage to the game and mourn it.

Everyone talks about how boxing used to be "great" and how now it sucks. Well, every single thing that makes boxing worse than it used to be is the result of betterment for the fighters.

- Shorter fights
- less manipulative contracts
- fewer fights
- more freedom over opponents
- bigger gloves
- more safety first styles
- more belts
- and most of all...BIGGER PAYDAYS

Everyone that wishes that boxing was "how it used to be" is wishing fighters got paid less, were forced to fight more, had less control over their opponents and schedule, less protection of their health, etc. People love to hold UFC up as being better than boxing, but that's a direct result of being an effective monopoly, severely underpaying their top fighters, and being able to control their careers.

That's how I look at these changes...they're ethically right, but you can also recognize they're likely to severely damage the game. That's not a contradiction.

If the sport is going to retain some semblance of itself, it will have to end up in a place with contracts, salary caps and collective bargaining. It's the only outcome. No other sport has what college football now has. Imagine the NFL with no collective bargaining agreement governing team/player relations, no salary cap, and no contracts. If half the Rams could just go to another team this year, or if Las Vegas could just go out mid season and pay Mahomes $100 million mid season to switch teams.

A "no rules" situation is simply not a functional way for a sport to exist. If that becomes the final structure, I think the game becomes basically a niche sport for a handful of fan bases.
 
Say you are a Republican that preach free market economics and getting government out of the way. Now imagine that same person saying NIL is bad and we need government intervention to regulate the free market of young adults making tons of $$$$.

That is being a hypocrite on your economic view.
Sports leagues that strive for competitive fairness should socialist, if you want to characterize it that way. The competition should be between the athletes, not a competition of who can line up the most lucrative boosters.
 
63 year old conservative here…

Against NIL because we already have professional leagues. Why should a college own and run a professional team? If the players are professionals, do they still have to meet academic standards? Will the NCAA be allowed to kill a $1 million NIL because a player does not have a sufficient GPA and progress?

There is no reason for a college to run a professional team.
I get your point sort of, but there are reasons for a college to run a “professional team” in that there is a captive audience (fans will to spend huge $ to cheer on their school vs. a USFL team that no one cares about) and the football and basketball teams doing well benefits the school in higher applications, donations, etc.

The biggest thing is that these programs are now making huge money because there is a fan demand the football and basketball. Where should the money go? Do you consider it to not be professional if the players only get a scholarship but the coach gets $10m/year and a bunch of other coaches, admins, etc. are hired and get huge money? I guess I don’t understand why the money should flow everywhere but stop before the players get it.
 
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63 year old conservative here…

Against NIL because we already have professional leagues. Why should a college own and run a professional team? If the players are professionals, do they still have to meet academic standards? Will the NCAA be allowed to kill a $1 million NIL because a player does not have a sufficient GPA and progress?

There is no reason for a college to run a professional team.
@Whiskeydeltadeltatango example A, lol
 
I’ve seen suggestions of setting a cap on how much a person can make, having them sign a contract to take away the freedom of transferring, not offering them a scholarship because they will make too much, etc…
Those suggestions are basically to be more like the NFL! Thus not destroying widespread interest in the game, as it relates to college football.

Hell even those that were all for the NIL and college players getting paid don't like where this is going with it being the wild wild west with what appears to be no regulations and NIL is not being used the way it was intended. It was not intended to be used as inducements to get high school kids to come to your school or reach out and poach kids from other schools even when they are not in the transfer portal. The NFL would be a mess if everyone was a free agent every year and no caps on salaries. And basically that is where college is going with the current set up.

So leave it as is until the sport loses a large portion of the fan base thus making it less profitable and then they are forced to change based on the market? Or try to make some changes before you lose the fan base and have try to win them back later?
 
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Those suggestions are basically to be more like the NFL! Thus not destroying widespread interest in the game, as it relates to college football.

Hell even those that were all for the NIL and college players getting paid don't like where this is going with it being the wild wild west with what appears to be no regulations and NIL is not being used the way it was intended. It was not intended to be used as inducements to get high school kids to come to your school or reach out and poach kids from other schools even when they are not in the transfer portal. The NFL would be a mess if everyone was a free agent every year and no caps on salaries. And basically that is where college is going with the current set up.

So leave it as is until the sport loses a large portion of the fan base thus making it less profitable and then they are forced to change based on the market? Or try to make some changes before you lose the fan base and have try to win them back later?
I’m going with highly doubtful on people stopping watching the sport. Some people will leave but that won’t even make a dent in the profits generated
 
To think that pretty much all universities are very liberal and have been exploiting these kids up until now...And we want to look at the right?
 
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I hated it because it was a dumb system an no where near a free market. The thing that college athletes should be able to profit from is their knowledge. ie holding camps. Yes there are a few athletes that transcend the NCAA but they are few and far between and are more dependent on the schools image than their own.
This stuff was bound to happen which is only part of the reason this was a bad idea. The idea that college athletes weren't compensated is wrong. they are most likely overcompensated for what they actually do.
This still ends up splitting college athletics further. Paid vs unpaid divisions and the unpaid divisions will be feeder systems.
Basically schools like iowa iowa state will become juco's for schools with wealthier alumni bases.
 
Barta has cost the dept millions in lawsuits. He's way overpaid for his skills
Barta has brought in millions more, both in fundraising and successful programs. I’m not a huge fan but you have to pay in that range to get a good candidate, even if you want to fire Barta.

As far as Kirk goes, there have been times in his career where he has been on the upper end of coach salaries, but we are getting a bargain right now.
 
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I’m going with highly doubtful on people stopping watching the sport. Some people will leave but that won’t even make a dent in the profits generated
If there are no regulations and/or changes put in place, I guess we will see in about 5 years. The biggest chance is for the conferences to realign and separate from the NCAA and TV contracts changed to put the pay to schools on an equal playing field in revenues from TV. Otherwise, the schools willing to spend the most money will get the best recruiting classes and poach elite players from other schools each year. And a majority of universities will have even less of a chance of winning the NC than now. And the fans will have even less hope each season of it.
 
Say you are a Republican that preach free market economics and getting government out of the way. Now imagine that same person saying NIL is bad and we need government intervention to regulate the free market of young adults making tons of $$$$.

That is being a hypocrite on your economic view.
Well considering I have never said I dislike NIL I don't think I'm being hypothetical. As a former NCAA athlete I am very vocal about my disdain for the NCAA however. I do believe in a free market and I think right now we are seeing a major push that will likely ebb and flow. Nebraska got its fans to pony up 500k (somwthing like that idk) foe this new DT. If the kid stinks and they miss a bowl do you think the same people keep donating or the market will work itself out? I advocate for NIL because I think it gets money to the people that actually matter. As an example think about where we would be sitting if the moon family donated 10 mil to NIL instead of putting their name on a coach.
 
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If you look at it from the lens of conserving the status quo and preventing change then being upset about NIL seems perfectly in line with being conservative.

If you want to apply the on paper principles of conservatism, good luck with that.
 
If there are no regulations and/or changes put in place, I guess we will see in about 5 years. The biggest chance is for the conferences to realign and separate from the NCAA and TV contracts changed to put the pay to schools on an equal playing field in revenues from TV. Otherwise, the schools willing to spend the most money will get the best recruiting classes and poach elite players from other schools each year. And a majority of universities will have even less of a chance of winning the NC than now. And the fans will have even less hope each season of it.
Schools with only basketball to worry about or be concerned about will be the first to make this into a varsity vs JV. Schools like kansas or Villanova who dont care about football can sign 5 guys every year to 7 figure contracts because they only have to pay 3-5 guys compared to a football and basketball school has to pay 20-30 guys. It wont even be fun to watch.
 
I’m going with highly doubtful on people stopping watching the sport. Some people will leave but that won’t even make a dent in the profits generated

I'll keep watching. But the chances of my dear old Hawkeyes winning a championship - already below 1% - are officially 0% now. Such is life. At least I'll have a mid-tier (e.g. USC, OSU, etc.) to cheer on our former best players before they hit the league.
 
I hated it because it was a dumb system an no where near a free market. The thing that college athletes should be able to profit from is their knowledge. ie holding camps. Yes there are a few athletes that transcend the NCAA but they are few and far between and are more dependent on the schools image than their own.
This stuff was bound to happen which is only part of the reason this was a bad idea. The idea that college athletes weren't compensated is wrong. they are most likely overcompensated for what they actually do.
This still ends up splitting college athletics further. Paid vs unpaid divisions and the unpaid divisions will be feeder systems.
Basically schools like iowa iowa state will become juco's for schools with wealthier alumni bases.
Disagree that the athletes were over compensated. Those who can, do, those who cannot, teach. Doers should make more money for doing than teachers. There is a reason sales people are often the highest paid in an orgainization.
 
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