I would love to see both of these guys on the court at the same time when Tyler cook becomes healthy again. Do you think we see both of them as starters? Bohannon Jok Moss and those two would be a great starting lineup
Cook and Pemsl
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I don't know but Pemsl looks a lot stronger. I think he has been working hard in the weight room. He has a soft touch and great hands. Really like him down low.
IMO Pemsl is a big reason we have improved since he made the starting five. He is really good in the low post, does not make a lot of errors, and brings a great deal of intensity to the floor. But, he needs to watch the almost taunting behavior once in awhile after plays.
Cook needs to come back at the four for Wagner. But, he has to play defense too
Cook needs to come back at the four for Wagner. But, he has to play defense too
I agree; Cook needs to show he can defend to be a complete player and achieve his dream of playing in the NBA
I like that starting lineup a lot.
G-Bohannon
G-Moss
G-Jok
F-Pemsl
F-Cook
I would think that would be the lineup Fran would go with.
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That's an awesome lineup, OP. Super potential, and then with Baer, Wagner, and Williams coming off the bench, that's a pretty impressive top 8 with Ellingson and Uhl read for spot duty as well. If the Hawkeyes can play with the attitude and energy they did last night--rebound and play in-their-jersey defense--the rest of the this season and beyond could be pretty special.
I think Pemsl is more important than Cook right now. It is a luxury to have a guy that you can post up and shoots a high percentage.
Moss is also hugely important..we were too slow on perimeter when he was on bench and baer was starting.
Then we have a lot of other players starting to fill important roles. Exciting.
Moss is also hugely important..we were too slow on perimeter when he was on bench and baer was starting.
Then we have a lot of other players starting to fill important roles. Exciting.
Those boys could play together. Pemsyl is a little smaller but really a true low post player. Cook really is more of a face first offensive threat (and monster junk baller) and is the prototypical power forward, with heavy emphasis on the power.
I think they'll compliment each other very well. They're both bright kids, and players. CP will get him the ball in positions to be aggressive and I think Cook also has the ability to be a good passer as well.
And Moss is really, really good. Nice work by the staff, especially the RS decision.
When has Iowa ever started one senior and four freshmen? Kind of a historic moment. Hopefully an auspicious one.
I definitely think Cook needs to go back into starting lineup at the 4 with Pemsl at the 5 when he is ready. He's too good. My only concern is I actually really like Fran's lineup change with Wagner at the 4 to start and bringing Baer in for him. This really works well and we look night and day different since he did this 2 games ago.
Neither of these 2 can really play the 3/wing well but I do think the Wagner/Baer combo is prefect at the 4. Both guys are great energy guys with games that compliment one another. Wagner brings physical athleticism, plays good D, rebounds and can put the ball on the floor to score around the hoop but lacks a quality jumper. Baer brings a strong mental game with relentless effort, gets in the passing lanes, rebounds and can knock down a jumper. We get constant energy at the 4 all game with varied approaches.
Pemsl and Moss need to stay in the starting lineup too. They are difference makers.
Starters...
Pemsl
Cook
Jok
Moss
Bohannen
Then how does it work with Baer & Wagner? I wonder if they play Uhl behind Jok at the 3 some because he can move his feet on D and likes to drive the ball plus shoot the 3. Ellingson spells the 2 and CW the point. Not sure but Cooks return will make the rotations interesting. Same when Jones returns.
Neither of these 2 can really play the 3/wing well but I do think the Wagner/Baer combo is prefect at the 4. Both guys are great energy guys with games that compliment one another. Wagner brings physical athleticism, plays good D, rebounds and can put the ball on the floor to score around the hoop but lacks a quality jumper. Baer brings a strong mental game with relentless effort, gets in the passing lanes, rebounds and can knock down a jumper. We get constant energy at the 4 all game with varied approaches.
Pemsl and Moss need to stay in the starting lineup too. They are difference makers.
Starters...
Pemsl
Cook
Jok
Moss
Bohannen
Then how does it work with Baer & Wagner? I wonder if they play Uhl behind Jok at the 3 some because he can move his feet on D and likes to drive the ball plus shoot the 3. Ellingson spells the 2 and CW the point. Not sure but Cooks return will make the rotations interesting. Same when Jones returns.
Hope you're right about Cook having the ability to be a good passer. He certainly didn't show it before he got injured.
I think that the lineup that's been mentioned is pretty much a no-brainer, but it could vary because of the competition and the health of the players. Whoever is in the top eight is going to see a ton of minutes, and if somebody is hot they will stay in.
You really have to wonder if Jones will be able to play. He can't seem to get that knee settled down, and we'll have to rework the lineup again if he comes back. He could be a positive influx late in the year if the kids hit the freshman wall, but I'll believe it when he can play several games in a couple of weeks time frame.
REBOUNDING?ALL 5 HIT BOARDS.JOK PICKING UP SLACK.PROBABLY HAS 10 BOARDS NEXT GAME.NEED HIM TO DO LOTS BESIDE SHOOT.LONG GROWTH YEAR.STATE WAS GOING TO BLAST US AT HOME.OH WELL.I LAUGH.
I love that lineup. Hopefully Cook, if he's allowed to practice now, is working on his defense. He should be a force inside if he puts the effort and learns the nuances of playing help defense, etc. Jok is a much tougher person to guard for a 3, and it allows Jok to guard a man who probably isn't as quick as the 2. Pemsl has some sweet moves inside and a very soft touch for a big.
I thought he did a pretty good job passing before he hurt his finger. Pemsl is a real good passer, so that's a plus.
I really like the starting 5 that EZ2 put force. I'm not in love with Iowa's bench but it gets much better when/if Baer goes to the bench when Cook comes back. Plus, if Jones comes back healthy and Wagner can get more confidence on offense, you then have a nice 7-8 man rotation. I'd really limit Uhl and Ellingson's minutes. They'd be more matchup subs. If you need energy, then maybe bring in Uhl for a bit. If you need someone to hit 3's, maybe bring in Ellingson for a bit (you can usually tell after 1-2 shots whether he's going to have a good shooting night).
Good points. I think Uhl spells Jok (who needs to be on the court as much as possible. I like Wagner/Baer off the bench at the 4. I think it's matchup issues as to who gets more minutes. Wagner played well against ISU, but ISU is a small team, which is good for Wagner. He matches up better against the smaller/quicker players than Baer does, and I think Baer matches up better against the taller players, less athletic players, than Wagner does.
If Jones comes back healthy I'd probably take all of Ellingson's minutes away and maybe Uhl. Jones is probably the 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, behind Jok and JBo. He and Jok could play the 3 spot. When you wanted to give Jok a breather, and he could play when you wanted to give Moss a breather (Jok and Jones at the 2 and 3).
It's a no Brainer to keep pemsl starting
Wagner really has thrived being in with pemsl. pemsl draws enough attention and yet is able to feed Wagner when needed. both play decent defense. I think he will drop off in production if paired with cook or Baer.
Cook is too one dimensional at this point. does not pass it out on offense nor does he play good defense.
Baer can be a good shooter and garbage man, but he has to be playing the 4 to be productive.
I say pair pemsl and Wagner, and cook and Baer. Baer can help with rebounds but clears the lane a bit for cook on offense.
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Wagner really has thrived being in with pemsl. pemsl draws enough attention and yet is able to feed Wagner when needed. both play decent defense. I think he will drop off in production if paired with cook or Baer.
Cook is too one dimensional at this point. does not pass it out on offense nor does he play good defense.
Baer can be a good shooter and garbage man, but he has to be playing the 4 to be productive.
I say pair pemsl and Wagner, and cook and Baer. Baer can help with rebounds but clears the lane a bit for cook on offense.
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I agree with the OP that the starters are likely to be CP, TC, Jok, Moss, JB
Even Wagner would probably agree that Cook should start over him. Yes, some nice chemistry is starting to develop but the fact remains that Cook is the most talented player (with the present exception of Jok) on a very young team. The biggest loser in minutes is likely to be Uhl. But backups are going to start to be used more selectively, especially after Christmas.
He's just not good enough and is slowly getting beat out. He's a slendor big that needs to play the 3 in all reality. Not sure where he fits next year assuming he returns with more bigs coming in.
Pros
- moves his feet well for a big
- can put the ball on the floor and drive it
- has played hard this season
- can hit an occasional 3 ball
Cons
- has stone hands .... loses a lot of rebounds
- soft .... does not like physical contact
- can jump but does not throw it down much
- does not finish around the hoop with any contact
- suspect shot. ... not a good shooter over the course of a season
I like that line-up a lot. I think Pemsl has benefited from Cook being injured. He realized what he had to do and he is doing it. His game is kind of a "Niang" type. He is not going to out jump or out quick anyone, but he has the old mans game to create his game.
I think Moss & Bohannon are growing up faster than I predicted. They are playing very well and looking for their shots at the right time. Bohannon is challenging for deepest 3 contest at times, but he can hit them. I just worry about him vs "physical defense" like Purdue will play.
This team had a "high" on Thursday, now lets not follow it up with a "low" with a loss to UNI or UND.
I think Moss & Bohannon are growing up faster than I predicted. They are playing very well and looking for their shots at the right time. Bohannon is challenging for deepest 3 contest at times, but he can hit them. I just worry about him vs "physical defense" like Purdue will play.
This team had a "high" on Thursday, now lets not follow it up with a "low" with a loss to UNI or UND.
Im still not sold Cook and Pemsl can be effective together at this point, especially on defense but when TC comes back atleast one of them should be on the court at all times.
Same for Moss and Jok.
At least two of those 4 need to always be out there. No more weird no offense lineups.
Why wouldn't Cook and Pemsl be effective? If you're just worried Cook won't be effective defensively regardless of who he's playing with that's one thing but I don't know how playing with Pemsl impacts that. Offensively Cook has an outside game and Pemsl has a great understanding of the game and is a great passer so I think they'll be fine. I agree in general that the starters need heavy minutes. We need Moss out on the floor defensively as much as anyone.
Pemsl and Cook are room mates and very good friends. They seem to enjoy playing the game and both have passion to win that is very infectious.. They will probably be generous in feeding each other and could be very hard to stop down low. By next year with the new bigs coming in, we could be a VERY physical team on the block. Our 3 point shooters should have a lot more room to get shots off since defenses will have to watch the basket area a whole lot more than when Adam was here.
The last post makes a really good point. Pemsyl has a good offensive post already and it will get better. Almost all of Pemsyl's offense begins with his back to the basket in the low post. Cook's offense usually begins with his face to the basket, a forward skill set. Pemsyl is going to command double teams and he seems to have good floor vision for his position. They could be a very special pair for three or four seasons.
Better throw in the disclaimer....there will be some lumps this year.
Better throw in the disclaimer....there will be some lumps this year.
They both have similar weaknesses in that neither one is a good defender or rebounder at this point. And they both want to occupy the same space offensivly while not being an outside threat to provide space for the other.
Wagner and Baer are both pretty good rebounders and defenders at the 4 spot. They are helping to cover that asspect currently with Pemsl.
Well see how it works but theyre both going to need to get allot better on defense and rebounding for it to work for longer stretches.
There is no doubt Cook has been a terrible defender and rebounder to this point but athleticism is not the issue. I don't think Fran should already be accepting Cook as a bad defender and rebounder by not putting his best guys on the court together. Cook needs to learn and might go through some growing pains but this is the year to do it. The guy has the physical tools he just needs to put more emphasis on that part of his game at this level. I think Cook has shown enough versatility offensively that it shouldn't be a problem.
Obviously its not an athleticism issue with Cook. He just doesnt know how to rebound or defend. Rebounding isnt about athleticism anyway.
I agree this is the year to let them learn on the job.
We'll see what happens.
Too small of a sample size for cook, when he went out the offense was just being put in. They were still playing mostly 5 man pickup with the emphasis on getting out and running. The last couple of games have seen actual offense being run and structured defense being played. It seems like with a group this young they are putting things into the playbook pretty slowly. That may be a big part of why they looked so bad against teams that played solid offense and defense early on. I'm hoping they can improve a lot as they get a better understanding of who does what well and how to play to their strengths on both offense and defense.
