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Corbett Wants to Try Again for CR Casino for Flood Protection Funds

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Cedar Rapids Mayor Ron Corbett suggested reviving a bid for a twice-passed over Cedar Rapids casino with the promise the city would devote 100 percent of its share of revenue to a delayed flood protection system, once an informal moratorium on new casinos expires in summer 2017.

Corbett said a reconstructed application could garner more support from the five-member Racing and Gaming Commission that voted 4-1 to reject a casino license for Cedar Crossings in April 2014.

“Dedicating 100 percent of revenue the city gets to flood protection could persuade enough of the Racing and Gaming Commissioners to give us a license,” Corbett said in a conversation with The Gazette.

Corbett has worked to keep alive the prospect of an urban casino on the west bank of the Cedar River. Cedar Crossings had been estimated as a $164 million project with $80 million in annual revenue.

The push last year to allow the casino as Iowa’s first non-smoking casino never gained traction in the Iowa Legislature. But next summer could be an opportunity to make another run, Corbett said.

Some suspect this latest pitch stands little chance of success, though.

“I don’t think mixing two different issues is the answer,” said Brent Oleson, a member of the Linn County Board of Supervisors and a member of the not-for-profit Linn County Gaming Association which applied for the license on behalf of an investment group

“You’d have to change the makeup of the Racing and Gaming Commission,” he said. “It was never about where the money was going to go. I think if these people want flood protection, they’d have better luck flying to Washington, D.C., than driving to Des Moines” to petition the commission.

In voting down Cedar Crossings in April 2014, commissioners said studies showed the market was oversaturated, and it would cannibalize customers from other casinos, including Riverside Casino and Golf Resort. In June, the commission OK’d a license for the Wild Rose Casino in Jefferson, but weeks later, commissioners informally agreed to a three-year moratorium for granting new casino licenses.

Meanwhile, the casino industry in Eastern Iowa has expanded since then with the backing of the commission, which approved the relocation the Isle Casino in Bettendorf and Rhythm City in Davenport from riverboat to larger land-based complexes.

Iowa has 19 state-licensed casinos for a population of 3 million people.

The make up of the gaming commission remains the same as the one that rejected the license request in 2014. Gov. Terry Branstad reappointed commission member Richard Arnold, of Russell, last week

Terms for two other members, Chairman Jeff Lamberti of Ankeny and Carl Heinrich of Council Bluffs, expire in April 2017. They both voted against the license.

The $313.9 million in gambling revenue in Iowa collected in fiscal 2015 was an increase of $5.3 million, or 1.7 percent, compared with 2014, according to commission reports. However, it was down 1.2 percent, or $3.9 million, from $317.8 million in fiscal 2013.

Lamberti said on Friday new applications can be made at any time and would be reviewed. But unless something significant has changed in the application or the market, he said, the outcome is unlikely to be different.

“It’s pretty safe to say if they resubmit the same proposal as before, it’s hard to believe the economic condition has changed in such a little amount of time,” Lamberti said.

When asked whether devoting revenue to flood protection amounted to a change, Lamberti said applications are looked at in their totality, so how proceeds are used would be a new consideration. Whether it is a significant enough change to sway commission members would be hard to say without seeing an application, he said.

The latest pitch for a Cedar Rapids casino is focused on overcoming delays in federal aid. Corbett has said federal aid, which was authorized at $73 million in 2014 for a system of levees, flood walls and pumps, is at risk because the Cedar Rapids project’s standing is slipping in the federal cost-benefit ratio. Corbett said the city isn’t giving up on the federal money, which hasn’t come, but he is looking at ways to deal with the delay.

The money was authorized by Congress but was never funded in the budget prepared by the Office of Management and Budget, which produces the president’s budget.

Meanwhile, Cedar Rapids has yet to construct a meaningful flood protection system, eight years after the flood of 2008 wreaked havoc on residential, commercial and industrial areas. Revenue from a casino would help, Corbett said.

The original casino plan had earmarked 1.5 percent of annual revenue to the city and Linn County, Corbett noted. Cedar Rapids could leverage the money to make up for the delay in federal aid, which is planned as a funding match for state and local dollars.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/n...or-casino-could-aid-flood-protection-20160308
 
I live in the Cedar Rapids area, and in my opinion, the city has been treated unfairly by the gambling commission. The small, downtown casino that was planned would have been a perfect add to to an area that was almost completely destroyed by the 2008 flood. The business plan even called for the casino to provide donations to community charities. It would have been walking distance from the US Cellular center and been a great draw for meetings and conventions. It would have been an economic boon to the city.

I don't buy the "cannibalization" claim made by Riverside, even if it was supported by consultants (other consultants have said it wouldn't). Sure, Riverside may have taken a hit, but what ever happened to competition? I believe that the new casino would have brought thousand of new patrons to the tables.

So, I am entirely in favor of the Mayor pursuing this plan in any way he can.
 
I live in the Cedar Rapids area, and in my opinion, the city has been treated unfairly by the gambling commission. The small, downtown casino that was planned would have been a perfect add to to an area that was almost completely destroyed by the 2008 flood. The business plan even called for the casino to provide donations to community charities. It would have been walking distance from the US Cellular center and been a great draw for meetings and conventions. It would have been an economic boon to the city.

I don't buy the "cannibalization" claim made by Riverside, even if it was supported by consultants (other consultants have said it wouldn't). Sure, Riverside may have taken a hit, but what ever happened to competition? I believe that the new casino would have brought thousand of new patrons to the tables.

So, I am entirely in favor of the Mayor pursuing this plan in any way he can.
BS, Cedar Rapids had their chance, but the righteous of CR got it voted down long ago. Not until everyone saw the moneymaker they passed up did they change their tune.
 
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BS, Cedar Rapids had their chance, but the righteous of CR got it voted down long ago. Not until everyone saw the moneymaker they passed up did they change their tune.

The past is the past. The future is now. You can't blame the righteous then for what's going on today.The people of Cedar Rapids voted against the casino a long time ago. The people recently voted in favor of a casino.

I don't care for Corbett, but I am OK with him pushing for the casino again. It's not cannibalizing. It's called competition. A casino in Cedar Rapids would bring in a lot more money not just for Cedar Rapids, but for the state as well.
 
BS, Cedar Rapids had their chance, but the righteous of CR got it voted down long ago. Not until everyone saw the moneymaker they passed up did they change their tune.
That's not really the point. The point is whether or not "cannibalization" of other casinos does in fact exist. I don't think it does, but even if it does then shouldn't the state welcome competition between similar economic entities? I've never understood the notion that just because one casino is already in place why other casinos in the area cannot also exist. It seems to me that competition would only increase the quality of the enterprises, and if not then to the victor belong the spoils.
 
BS, Cedar Rapids had their chance, but the righteous of CR got it voted down long ago. Not until everyone saw the moneymaker they passed up did they change their tune.

Fair enough. They did vote it down in 2003 or so. I just don't like how the Gaming Commission said it would further saturate the state, but then awarded a casino to Greene Co. The more I watched it unfold the more I thought Dan Kehl got to some of the members of the commission. Something was certainly fishy with the no vote on CR and the yes vote on Greene Co.
 
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BS, Cedar Rapids had their chance, but the righteous of CR got it voted down long ago. Not until everyone saw the moneymaker they passed up did they change their tune.

I believe the voters of Cedar Rapids voted down a dog track at Hawkeye Downs back in the 80's. Good call by them.
 
I believe the voters of Cedar Rapids voted down a dog track at Hawkeye Downs back in the 80's. Good call by them.
Agreed, but a dog track and a casino are two completely different animals. I think it is crap by the gaming commission, but CR made its bed now it has to lay in it. How uncreative is the local government there anyway, this is their only plan to generate more revenue?
 
Agreed, but a dog track and a casino are two completely different animals. I think it is crap by the gaming commission, but CR made its bed now it has to lay in it. How uncreative is the local government there anyway, this is their only plan to generate more revenue?
I think Corbett is still pissed that Dan Kehl bought off a majority of the gaming commission. He's pissed that he didn't offer more $$.
 
I was against cr getting one until that ass that owns riverside took away the water park.
 
Agreed, but a dog track and a casino are two completely different animals. I think it is crap by the gaming commission, but CR made its bed now it has to lay in it. How uncreative is the local government there anyway, this is their only plan to generate more revenue?

Please. What do you have against CR? The transformation of this city since the flood has been remarkable. There is a big effort to improve streets and other infrastructure. Local government took a huge risk and bought a hotel no one wanted after the flood and stand to make a profit. If they hadn't done it the hotel would be a huge mausoleum by now. They are expanding bike paths through downtown and supporting efforts to make Cedar Lake into a recreational effort.

I think local government is doing a very good job.
 
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Please. What do you have against CR? The transformation of this city since the flood has been remarkable. There is a big effort to improve streets and other infrastructure. Local government took a huge risk and bought a hotel no one wanted after the flood and stand to make a profit. If they hadn't done it the hotel would be a huge mausoleum by now. They are expanding bike paths through downtown and supporting efforts to make Cedar Lake into a recreational effort.

I think local government is doing a very good job.
Corbett's actually been doing a pretty good job. I still maintain one of the toughest things in dealing with the 2008 flood was the city had just changed forms of government from full-time mayor and department heads to part-time mayor and council. Nobody really knew what to do (it seemed like) especially since they all had occupations outside of the city government. On top of that Kay Halloran (then mayor) was having some significant health issues that prevented her from providing any sort of leadership.
 
Please. What do you have against CR? The transformation of this city since the flood has been remarkable. There is a big effort to improve streets and other infrastructure. Local government took a huge risk and bought a hotel no one wanted after the flood and stand to make a profit. If they hadn't done it the hotel would be a huge mausoleum by now. They are expanding bike paths through downtown and supporting efforts to make Cedar Lake into a recreational effort.

I think local government is doing a very good job.
I got nothing against CR, it was my home for over 30 years. They have made a lot of improvements since the flood that are very impressive. Especially embracing the biking community. That's why I don't understand why they can't move on from the casino and come up with a plan b.
 
They don't need a casino, but they want those funds. It wont bring in out of state money. It will cannibalize Riverside and Meskwaki. Of that there is no doubt. The whole thing just looks unsavory.
 
I got nothing against CR, it was my home for over 30 years. They have made a lot of improvements since the flood that are very impressive. Especially embracing the biking community. That's why I don't understand why they can't move on from the casino and come up with a plan b.
That's certainly a fair point. Personally, I don't care if we get a casino or not. My wife and I don't gamble (save for the annual NCAA bracket pool), but would probably go if the restaurant was good or if there was a good entertainer (someone a little more relevant that Morris Day & the Time).
 
I got nothing against CR, it was my home for over 30 years. They have made a lot of improvements since the flood that are very impressive. Especially embracing the biking community. That's why I don't understand why they can't move on from the casino and come up with a plan b.

Would love a plan b - but I have never heard anyone suggest something for the downtown vacant land that would work nearly as well as a casino. Lets see, movie theater? More shopping? Water park? Bowling alley? Miniature golf course? How about a swell museum?

I got nothing.
 
They don't need a casino, but they want those funds. It wont bring in out of state money. It will cannibalize Riverside and Meskwaki. Of that there is no doubt. The whole thing just looks unsavory.

Does Riverside or Meskwaki donate funds to Cedar Rapids or Linn County? I honestly don't know. That is one of the benefits of having a local casino. If Riverside isn't provided benefits to the Linn County area than why shouldn't we get our own casino to capture the funds from our own residents. It is nearly an hour drive for me to get to Riverside and more than an hour for me to get to Meskwaki. It's not worth it to me to drive that far to gamble but I would visit a local casino a few times a year if available in CR. A casino downtown CR would really revitalize the area.
 
Does Riverside or Meskwaki donate funds to Cedar Rapids or Linn County? I honestly don't know

Riverside doesn't. All of that money stays in Washington County. I assume Meskwaki is similar. They are a reservation so I assume most of the money stays inside the Indian community.
 
Please. What do you have against CR? The transformation of this city since the flood has been remarkable. There is a big effort to improve streets and other infrastructure. Local government took a huge risk and bought a hotel no one wanted after the flood and stand to make a profit. If they hadn't done it the hotel would be a huge mausoleum by now. They are expanding bike paths through downtown and supporting efforts to make Cedar Lake into a recreational effort.

I think local government is doing a very good job.

I do agree with some points you have made, but I don't anyone could safely say the city stands to make a profit from the hotel at this point.

Right now the negative outlook Moody's has given Cedar Rapids is because of the City owned hotel. Right now Corbett really wants this casino so they can offload owner ship of the hotel to his buddies in the pro casino group.

That said I would like to see a casino in Cedar Rapids, I am not a fan of the site they have chose but it doesnt surprise me that is where they want it. Ever since the gaming commission rejected Cedar Rapids bid for a casino I have only gone to Meskwaki. 0 visits to either the Isle or Riverside, so the state has already lost any potential chance at revenue from my gaming. I would encourage others in Cedar Rapids to do the same.
 
Riverside doesn't. All of that money stays in Washington County. I assume Meskwaki is similar. They are a reservation so I assume most of the money stays inside the Indian community.

Just as a correction, the Mesquakis live on a settlement, not a reservation. All of their land was bought and paid for by Mewquakis over the years, and, yes, since they are a sovereign nation, the money stays within their community
 
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Just as a correction, the Mesquakis live on a settlement, not a reservation. All of their land was bought and paid for by Mewquakis over the years, and, yes, since they are a sovereign nation, the money stays within their community

Thanks for the correction. Appreciate the info
 
Riverside doesn't. All of that money stays in Washington County. I assume Meskwaki is similar. They are a reservation so I assume most of the money stays inside the Indian community.

Counties that do not have gambling do get funds from the State that go to the Community Foundations who then give it out in the form of grants.
 
Counties that do not have gambling do get funds from the State that go to the Community Foundations who then give it out in the form of grants.

Originally from Washington County and I've seen what the casino has provided. That's also why it's frustrating to use the cannibalize argument for not getting a casino. It's basically saying "We know those funds could help you, but you don't have a casino so you don't get the direct funding from them and nobody can share with you because you weren't lucky enough to be awarded a casino". Just stinks to high hell in my opinion.
 
I do agree with some points you have made, but I don't anyone could safely say the city stands to make a profit from the hotel at this point.

Right now the negative outlook Moody's has given Cedar Rapids is because of the City owned hotel. Right now Corbett really wants this casino so they can offload owner ship of the hotel to his buddies in the pro casino group.

That said I would like to see a casino in Cedar Rapids, I am not a fan of the site they have chose but it doesnt surprise me that is where they want it. Ever since the gaming commission rejected Cedar Rapids bid for a casino I have only gone to Meskwaki. 0 visits to either the Isle or Riverside, so the state has already lost any potential chance at revenue from my gaming. I would encourage others in Cedar Rapids to do the same.

Fair enough about the profit potential - but how great would it be just to get all the money back?

I hope, and really expect, that Riverside lost a lot of CR business.
 
Originally from Washington County and I've seen what the casino has provided. That's also why it's frustrating to use the cannibalize argument for not getting a casino. It's basically saying "We know those funds could help you, but you don't have a casino so you don't get the direct funding from them and nobody can share with you because you weren't lucky enough to be awarded a casino". Just stinks to high hell in my opinion.

The State Commission feels its would be cannibalizing two casinos or more and its just shifting money around the state, which it is. Basically, CR had the chance some years ago and gambling was turned down in Linn County, by the time they got it passed it was too late. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for CR here, and frankly they don't need it.
 
Fair enough about the profit potential - but how great would it be just to get all the money back?

I hope, and really expect, that Riverside lost a lot of CR business.

I would be extremely pleased if that were to happen. But the city borrowed $45 million for the renovation of the hotel. Plus it spent other money to purchase the property. It will be a long time before the city stands to do that. Right now it is making enough money to cover the debt payments to cover the $45 million loan, but is coming no where close to covering the additional $50 million borrowed for the event center and conference center and parking structure.
 
There's some new construction on 2nd Ave. close to the river, and I think that location would've been awesome for a casino/hotel. Parking would've been an issue, though.

Kehl's little waterpark stunt was bush-league. Between that, and then the bustling metropolis of Jefferson getting approval, I really thought someone was going to blow Riverside up.
 
There's some new construction on 2nd Ave. close to the river, and I think that location would've been awesome for a casino/hotel. Parking would've been an issue, though.

Kehl's little waterpark stunt was bush-league. Between that, and then the bustling metropolis of Jefferson getting approval, I really thought someone was going to blow Riverside up.

The new construction is the new CRST building.
 
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The State Commission feels its would be cannibalizing two casinos or more and its just shifting money around the state, which it is. Basically, CR had the chance some years ago and gambling was turned down in Linn County, by the time they got it passed it was too late. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for CR here, and frankly they don't need it.

Understand completely and you're allowed to have that opinion.

I just found it highly suspect they denied CR and then awarded a casino to Greene Co. Only because Des Moines could sustain the casino and would incur a 3-8% loss. That seems highly suspect to me. I'm probably biased because I live in CR and have seen what Riverside has provided to my old hometown. CR certainly needs to shoulder some of the blame for voting it down 10 years earlier, but I believe the Gaming Commission and Dan Kehl deserve some of the blame too.
 
Understand completely and you're allowed to have that opinion.

I just found it highly suspect they denied CR and then awarded a casino to Greene Co. Only because Des Moines could sustain the casino and would incur a 3-8% loss. That seems highly suspect to me. I'm probably biased because I live in CR and have seen what Riverside has provided to my old hometown. CR certainly needs to shoulder some of the blame for voting it down 10 years earlier, but I believe the Gaming Commission and Dan Kehl deserve some of the blame too.
I think a factor in the IRGC's decision was that the negative impact to RCGR and the surrounding communities was greater than the positive impact that could be felt in CR. Perhaps that's a reason as to why they'd approve casinos in places like Jefferson, Larchwood, Marquette, etc. Larchwood at least has Sioux Falls to draw from, but the others? Those markets are tiny.
 
Understand completely and you're allowed to have that opinion.

I just found it highly suspect they denied CR and then awarded a casino to Greene Co. Only because Des Moines could sustain the casino and would incur a 3-8% loss. That seems highly suspect to me. I'm probably biased because I live in CR and have seen what Riverside has provided to my old hometown. CR certainly needs to shoulder some of the blame for voting it down 10 years earlier, but I believe the Gaming Commission and Dan Kehl deserve some of the blame too.

When gambling was first proposed in the state, CR actually came forth with plans for a Horse track and Casino, and the gaming commission did not really even consider it, as DSM was going to have a Horse Track and CR was not given the time of day. So since day 1, the racing commision has been completely corrupt. This state now has way to many casinos that are in all the wrong places, mostly in the boon docks. A cassino in CR would probably be the 2nd busiest in the state. It would have a local market of 300K people, between CR and IC. The problem is that many casinos in eastern Iowa are built on the premise that they can get people from CR to show up, these are Waterloo, Tama, Riverside, Dubuque. Obviously, these have all bought off the racing commission, and that is not even debateable, they are obviously corrupt politicians.
 
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When gambling was first proposed in the state, CR actually came forth with plans for a Horse track and Casino, and the gaming commission did not really even consider it, as DSM was going to have a Horse Track and CR was not given the time of day. So since day 1, the racing commision has been completely corrupt. This state now has way to many casinos that are in all the wrong places, mostly in the boon docks. A cassino in CR would probably be the 2nd busiest in the state. It would have a local market of 300K people, between CR and IC. The problem is that many casinos in eastern Iowa are built on the premise that they can get people from CR to show up, these are Waterloo, Tama, Riverside, Dubuque. Obviously, these have all bought off the racing commission, and that is not even debateable, they are obviously corrupt politicians.
Duh
 
I was against cr getting one until that ass that owns riverside took away the water park.
I could be wrong, but wasn't that promised only if CR voted down the proposal for the casino? Either way, I agree that was a busch league thing to even offer up with the strings attached.
 
The State Commission feels its would be cannibalizing two casinos or more and its just shifting money around the state, which it is. Basically, CR had the chance some years ago and gambling was turned down in Linn County, by the time they got it passed it was too late. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for CR here, and frankly they don't need it.

Neighboring casinos would lose some business from Linn County but overall, it would create a lot more gambling revenue statewide. There are a lot of people in Linn County that don't want to drive an hour to gamble but would if a casino were in CR. Plus, current gamblers in Linn County that are forced to drive an hour would most likely go more often if a casino were closer.

A lot has changed in CR in 10 years which was obviously reflected in the voting by Linn County residents.

The gambling commission needs to be investigated or dissolved.
 
Neighboring casinos would lose some business from Linn County but overall, it would create a lot more gambling revenue statewide. There are a lot of people in Linn County that don't want to drive an hour to gamble but would if a casino were in CR. Plus, current gamblers in Linn County that are forced to drive an hour would most likely go more often if a casino were closer.

A lot has changed in CR in 10 years which was obviously reflected in the voting by Linn County residents.

The gambling commission needs to be investigated or dissolved.

How would it create more gambling revenue statewide? 35% of revenue comes from problem gamblers. Are there that many of those in our state to tap? I see buses from CR to Meskawki on 30 all the time.
 
How would it create more gambling revenue statewide? 35% of revenue comes from problem gamblers. Are there that many of those in our state to tap? I see buses from CR to Meskawki on 30 all the time.

here are a lot of people in Linn County that don't want to drive an hour to gamble but would if a casino were in CR. Plus, current gamblers in Linn County that are forced to drive an hour would most likely go more often if a casino were closer.

He laid out his argument pretty well. Basically more people would go to CR locally rather than drive an hour to Riverside, Meskwaki, Waterloo, or Dubuque.
 
He laid out his argument pretty well. Basically more people would go to CR locally rather than drive an hour to Riverside, Meskwaki, Waterloo, or Dubuque.

Right, but it would not create more statewide revenue, it just shifts some to CR.
 
Right, but it would not create more statewide revenue, it just shifts some to CR.

If more people are gambling it creates more revenue. That's easy math. So let's say 10% of the population of CR doesn't drive to Riverside because it's too far so they never spend their money. But they pop down to CR casino one or twice a week/month because its local. Now those people who otherwise wouldn't spend any money on gambling are now spending money which equates more revenue for the state. Again, easy math.
 
If more people are gambling it creates more revenue. That's easy math. So let's say 10% of the population of CR doesn't drive to Riverside because it's too far so they never spend their money. But they pop down to CR casino one or twice a week/month because its local. Now those people who otherwise wouldn't spend any money on gambling are now spending money which equates more revenue for the state. Again, easy math.

I get what you are saying, I just don't think there are that many new gamblers out there.
 
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