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COVID is apparently no big deal!

Feb 9, 2013
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"We now know the disease; we didn't know it. Now we know it -- it affects elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that's what it really affects. In some states, it affects thousands of people, nobody young. Below the age of 18, like, nobody," Trump said, repeating a false statement that has been a regular part of his comments during the pandemic. "They have a strong immune system, who knows. Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system."

"But it affects virtually nobody. It's an amazing thing."


And how does the President see his own role in handling the crisis?


In an interview on one of his favorite media platforms "Fox and Friends" on Monday, Trump was asked to grade his own performance during the pandemic.

"We're rounding the corner," he said. "We've done a phenomenal job. Not just a good job, a phenomenal job. Other than public relations, but that's because I have fake news. On public relations, I give myself a D. On the job itself, we take an A+."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...rump-cdc-coronavirus-election-2020/index.html
 
"We now know the disease; we didn't know it. Now we know it -- it affects elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that's what it really affects. In some states, it affects thousands of people, nobody young. Below the age of 18, like, nobody," Trump said, repeating a false statement that has been a regular part of his comments during the pandemic. "They have a strong immune system, who knows. Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system."

"But it affects virtually nobody. It's an amazing thing."


And how does the President see his own role in handling the crisis?


In an interview on one of his favorite media platforms "Fox and Friends" on Monday, Trump was asked to grade his own performance during the pandemic.

"We're rounding the corner," he said. "We've done a phenomenal job. Not just a good job, a phenomenal job. Other than public relations, but that's because I have fake news. On public relations, I give myself a D. On the job itself, we take an A+."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...rump-cdc-coronavirus-election-2020/index.html

 
28 yr old ER physicial/resident contracted it in July, and recently died after being on a vent and ECMO for over a month.

Had a brain clot or aneurysm or something.

As I've pointed out quite a few times: viral inoculum may be a leading factor in disease severity. That explains how young healthcare providers are getting very ill and dying from this.

Wearing your masks knocks that down by orders of magnitude, which would also be consistent with lower hospitalization and death rates over the past few months. If people resort to no masks, and all indoors as winter sets in, it's gonna get as lethal as it was at the onset in NY and Italy.
 
"We now know the disease; we didn't know it. Now we know it -- it affects elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that's what it really affects. In some states, it affects thousands of people, nobody young. Below the age of 18, like, nobody," Trump said, repeating a false statement that has been a regular part of his comments during the pandemic. "They have a strong immune system, who knows. Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system."

"But it affects virtually nobody. It's an amazing thing."


And how does the President see his own role in handling the crisis?


In an interview on one of his favorite media platforms "Fox and Friends" on Monday, Trump was asked to grade his own performance during the pandemic.

"We're rounding the corner," he said. "We've done a phenomenal job. Not just a good job, a phenomenal job. Other than public relations, but that's because I have fake news. On public relations, I give myself a D. On the job itself, we take an A+."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...rump-cdc-coronavirus-election-2020/index.html

apparently so

"Intriguingly, most recent SARS-CoV-2 infections seem to be less virulent than those that occurred earlier in the COVID-19 outbreak "
 
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28 yr old ER physicial/resident contracted it in July, and recently died after being on a vent and ECMO for over a month.

Had a brain clot or aneurysm or something.

As I've pointed out quite a few times: viral inoculum may be a leading factor in disease severity. That explains how young healthcare providers are getting very ill and dying from this.

Wearing your masks knocks that down by orders of magnitude, which would also be consistent with lower hospitalization and death rates over the past few months. If people resort to no masks, and all indoors as winter sets in, it's gonna get as lethal as it was at the onset in NY and Italy.
This is my suspicion. We got slammed in the spring with 300+ admissions. Very sick patients. But the curve flattened after about a month and has stayed flat.
There continue to be a lot of positive cases but we have consistently been in the teens to 20s in COVID admissions. I think how you are exposed is really critical. One of the big ggest benefits from mask wearing might be reducing the initial exposure.
 
The best thing we could do is to stop with the sheltering and get people out interacting with each other. Virus strains weaken with transmissions. Take a long hard look at Sweden and what their numbers have been through this entire thing. Problem we had was Trump was afraid of the political damage of letting the virus spread initially
as it would have been a rough 2-3 months, but you would have been better on the other side of it.
 
apparently so

"Intriguingly, most recent SARS-CoV-2 infections seem to be less virulent than those that occurred earlier in the COVID-19 outbreak "

"However, our findings suggest that it most likely reflects the overall lower size of the inoculum in recent infections due to extensive social distancing interventions compared to contagions that occurred earlier in the pandemic. "

Increasing evidence that is supporting this well-established concept.
 
The best thing we could do is to stop with the sheltering and get people out interacting with each other. Virus strains weaken with transmissions. Take a long hard look at Sweden and what their numbers have been through this entire thing. Problem we had was Trump was afraid of the political damage of letting the virus spread initially
as it would have been a rough 2-3 months, but you would have been better on the other side of it.

“At the point in August when I wrote that article, I hadn’t seen a single covid patient in over a month. I speculated that Sweden had developed herd immunity, since the huge and continuous drop was happening in spite of the fact that Sweden wasn’t really taking any serious measures to prevent spread of the infection.

So, how have things developed in the six weeks since that first article?

Well, as things stand now, I haven’t seen a single covid patient in the Emergency Room in over two and a half months. People have continued to become ever more relaxed in their behaviour, which is noticeable in increasing volumes in the Emergency Room. At the peak of the pandemic in April, I was seeing about half as many patients per shift as usual, probably because lots of people were afraid to go the ER for fear of catching covid. Now volumes are back to normal.”

 
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28 yr old ER physicial/resident contracted it in July, and recently died after being on a vent and ECMO for over a month.

Had a brain clot or aneurysm or something.

As I've pointed out quite a few times: viral inoculum may be a leading factor in disease severity. That explains how young healthcare providers are getting very ill and dying from this.

Wearing your masks knocks that down by orders of magnitude, which would also be consistent with lower hospitalization and death rates over the past few months. If people resort to no masks, and all indoors as winter sets in, it's gonna get as lethal as it was at the onset in NY and Italy.
If you are someone who has a history of "pneumonia, asthma, and respiratory infections" like the said 28 year old, putting yourself at risk isn't smart, no matter how strongly you feel about delivering babies.

Also, if you have severe diabetes, don't go to willy wonka's factory and start licking shit. Incase that one needs said also.
 
The best thing we could do is to stop with the sheltering and get people out interacting with each other. Virus strains weaken with transmissions. Take a long hard look at Sweden and what their numbers have been through this entire thing. Problem we had was Trump was afraid of the political damage of letting the virus spread initially
as it would have been a rough 2-3 months, but you would have been better on the other side of it.
Herd immunity requires about 70% of people to get it. That’s over 200 million cases. Approximately 3% of people die from this. That’s 6 million dead. Great plan.
 
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If you are someone who has a history of "pneumonia, asthma, and respiratory infections" like the said 28 year old, putting yourself at risk isn't smart, no matter how strongly you feel about delivering babies.

Also, if you have severe diabetes, don't go to willy wonka's factory and start licking shit. Incase that one needs said also.
What if you have pneumonia, asthma or other conditions but also a mortgage and kids to feed and your job can’t be done remotely?
 
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“At the point in August when I wrote that article, I hadn’t seen a single covid patient in over a month. I speculated that Sweden had developed herd immunity, since the huge and continuous drop was happening in spite of the fact that Sweden wasn’t really taking any serious measures to prevent spread of the infection.
LOLWUT?

Sweden is taking all kinds of measures. They haven't needed "government mandated shutdowns", their population is voluntarily complying.

And they still have similar case #'s to their neighbors.

Sweden: 250-300 cases/day since August 1
Denmark: 150-450 cases/day since August 1
Finland: 10-100 cases/day since August 1
Norway: 50-150 cases/day since August 1


Seems like Sweden is right in the middle of the pack. No "herd immunity" in sight.

EDIT: And Sweden "woke up" when they started hitting >1000 new cases/day before August. People buckled down more. NONE of those other Nordic nations has come anywhere close to 1000 new cases/day. Not a one.
 
“At the point in August when I wrote that article, I hadn’t seen a single covid patient in over a month. I speculated that Sweden had developed herd immunity, since the huge and continuous drop was happening in spite of the fact that Sweden wasn’t really taking any serious measures to prevent spread of the infection.

So, how have things developed in the six weeks since that first article?

Well, as things stand now, I haven’t seen a single covid patient in the Emergency Room in over two and a half months. People have continued to become ever more relaxed in their behaviour, which is noticeable in increasing volumes in the Emergency Room. At the peak of the pandemic in April, I was seeing about half as many patients per shift as usual, probably because lots of people were afraid to go the ER for fear of catching covid. Now volumes are back to normal.”


Sweden also has 2x-3x times the 7-day running average for deaths of their neighbors.

2 to 3
Vs 0 to 1 for all of Denmark, Norway and Finland
 
What if you have pneumonia, asthma or other conditions but also a mortgage and kids to feed and your job can’t be done remotely?
If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. As has been discussed many times on here there are few choices in life that are not a weighted cost benefit analysis. I dont have a great answer for you Torbs but as you know often times in life, as a provider, the answer is simply "I gotta do what I gotta do" and you can't provide when you are dead.
 
Where does it say the 28 year old doctor had those pre-existing conditions?


"Despite a history of asthma, upper respiratory infections and pneumonia, her sisters shared with TV station KHOU, going into work was "what (Adeline) wants to be doing.""
 
"However, our findings suggest that it most likely reflects the overall lower size of the inoculum in recent infections due to extensive social distancing interventions compared to contagions that occurred earlier in the pandemic. "

Increasing evidence that is supporting this well-established concept.

This isn't an RCT so can't use it as evidence to backup any claim you make. Have to throw it out!
 
I have not seen anything remotely close to this in the general population. Link?

No, herd immunity requires more like 20-25% infection rate.


And even the CDC says the infectin fatality rate (IFR) is
0-19 years: 0.003%
20-49 years: 0.02%
50-69 years: 0.5%
70+ years: 5.4%

Or a apoplation wide IFR of about 0.65%

 
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No, herd immunity requires more like 20-25% infection rate.


And even the CDC says the infectin fatality rate (IFR) is
0-19 years: 0.003%
20-49 years: 0.02%
50-69 years: 0.5%
70+ years: 5.4%

Or a apoplation wide IFR of about 0.65%

Thank you for doing the homework to confirm what I thought. 3% in a general population is BS.
 
Poker player Shaun Deeb is currently in the hospital for Covid. His thoughts on the virus changed when he got it, and he’s telling people like Mike Matusow to stfu about it not being a big deal.
 
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T-cell immunity is established at around 15% infection rate. The 70% number is nothing but fear porn.

Lockdowns and masks do more harm than good. Sweden knows.
It could be more than 70% too. Measles requires 94% as an example according to mayo.

Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.

 
It was a shame and laughed out of court when it got to the adult table.
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