Just watched highlights on YouTube on how Creighton shut down Caitlyn and the Iowa offense. From what I saw, it consisted of grabbing, holding, and blatant pushes on Caitlyn. Refs were shown to be looking directly at the action with no call. Not to mention boxing Caitlyn out after a shot so she has no landing spot. NCAA refs for the women are beyond horrendous. I have coached H. S. Basketball for over 20 years. Not sure I would hire a single ref based on what I have seen. Embarrassing for the game.
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Not aging well but would’ve thought the same thing.
They should be a problem for anyone they play unless it’s officiated tight.
They get media darling South Carolina. The entire team will foul out in the first half on Sunday.
If Creighton gets the South Carolina team that only scored 49 points in the second round, they will win.
If Creighton shoots 40% for 3 pointers, SC height will not be big issue. They shot well against both Iowa and ISU
I think Creighton actually has a decent shot at the upset. Just need to clog the lane and let SC guards beat them. I don't think SC can stop Creighton from the perimeter. Everyone for the Bluejays is knocking down threes.
I'm wondering if Creighton was under-seeded, though I haven't looked at its regular season scores and don't intend to do so.
So both mens and womens bball has become Street ball and neither Fran nor Lisa, who coach good finesse ball, can win in March?
i saw the women destroy Illinois state and it wasn’t Street ball at all.
i saw the women destroy Illinois state and it wasn’t Street ball at all.
Not whining. I watched some highlights too and I did see the same thing. If that kind of thing happened in the NBA, Steph Curry wouldn’t exist. Teams that have shooting superstars can be shut down if the referees allow basketball to become streetball. It’s a well-known strategy and it depends not on players so much as what the league or the tournament wants, perhaps Waite generates more hype, or in this case, more “madness” of lower seeded and lower talented teams beating big teams, because everyone expects March madness to be about the underdog.
I watched some of the game too and didn't see much. The constant whining about officiating on this board gets annoying. Yes, we all know college refs are terrible, no argument there. The problem isn't that they aren't calling enough fouls or that they go out of their way to penalize Iowa though. It's the same incompetency for everyone. Go ahead and send a link of the video with all of these fouls that weren't called, I'll take a look.
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Creighton was a 1/2 step quicker than Iowa and Iowa State. Nearly very free ball went to them and they outrebounded both the Hawks and Cyclones despite the height disadvantage. Intensity is everything in tourney play. Combine that with 3 point shooting, and ces't la vie.
Someone posted a thread of pictures they had of many clear fouls that went uncalled. Refs were bad both ways. The argument isn’t that Iowa wins with good officiating, but that we shouldn’t have to be asking for good officiating in the ncaa tournament.
You are right. This board is getting to be more like ISU fans, John Walters and Eric Heft. I say pick up a referees shirt and stand the post! Otherwise I'd rather you just say thank you. (A few Good Men)
No. But I would like to know how many games you have officiated???So you'd be okay if decided to pull "a code red" on Clark?
Tbf, that's a solid analogy, but in a different way.
Much like Nicholson's character was trying to deflect blame, and say if you don't like it join for yourself, or keep your mouth shut (even though we all know what he did was wrong, he didn't think he did).....that's basically the line we hear every time from officials themselves to excuse bad officiating.
Well done with that analogy! Way to illustrate the excuse-making to deflect blame that goes on!
Christ, thats just such a lame and old excuse. If you've never been a ref, you couldn't possibly see when an obvious call is missed? NO ONE on here is expecting perfection. NO ONE. There's a human element. The fact is they don't call games according to the damn rules, and its as obvious as the nose on your face. In that game with Creighton the stocky girl obviously couldn't keep up with Clark, so every time she went past a screen or changed direction, she just reached out and grabbed her. It's obvious that as the year progressed teams realized the only way to slow her down was to grab and hold her. Thats a FOUL, correct?
Watch the last journey show which was a highlight of the last three days of the mens BIG tournament. Very revealing insight in to the huddles during these intense games. Listen to Painters words to his team. He says before you even go for the rebound you need to "hit him" and then go get the ball. There were comments he and Underwood of Illinois made before they played against Luka last year. Both said you need to "hit him", and "hit him again". This is all from the Tom Izzo book of basketball. They can only call so many fouls, so foul often and physically. Sorry, buts thats NOT basketball, and the refs have allowed this type of over the top contact to go on for way too long now. I don't need to have reffed to know what a foul is, like when a guy shooting a three, (Kris M), and gets hit and the ball falls 6 ft short of the basket to know he got fouled. No more then i need to be a cop to know if I'm going 65-70 miles an hour on the interstate and someone goes by me like i'm changing a damn tire, that he's seriously and dangerously speeding. Sometimes there's this thing called common sense.....
Please never send a poor meal back to the kitchen…… unless you have been a chef. Doctor does the surgery on the wrong leg, sorry how many surgeries have you done?
That makes sense. Iowa got away with a lot in that game, too. What was done to Clark was just more obvious. They have to start calling fouls in women’s hoops, period.
Having said that, I can’t really complain about the ISU-Creighton game. They “let them play” — a phrase I detest — but ISU couldn’t make treys, and when ISU can’t make treys, ISU loses.
The stats I just checked say they called 2x as many fouls on Creighton as they did SC. Not saying that it wasn’t justified cuz I didn’t watch the game but that was going to be their downfall: a “regularly” called game.
Actually no. Their downfall is they were a little bit better Richmond. They lost to Drake. They were not talented. They don’t have a girl who would be on the top 8-9 of the South Carolina roster. That’s why they lost.
"They were not talented". I'm guessing most folks would argue that, but your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it.
Ever heard of the adage that contains "the sum of the parts"?
South Carolina has at least 8 McDonalds All-Americans on the roster. Most conferences don't have a girl that would make the top 8-9 on their roster.
Ok, since you didn’t watch the game let me explain it to you. South Carolina wins this game 99 out of 100 times. Maybe 100. The athleticism, everything about it was 2 levels higher. That’s not a knock on Creighton. They were an 11 seed vs a 1 seed.
I was only addressing your "they were not talented" comment in regards to CU. SC is obviously a tremendous team with lots of talent.
And Creighton was a 10 seed
I still say they aren’t a very talented team. Very limited athletically. They were gritty and tough but just not that talented. And they have a veteran coach.
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