Deepseek On Why We Can't Buy Chinese EVs In the US

[What Would Jesus Do?]

There are several reasons why Chinese electric vehicles (EVs) are not widely available in the U.S. market:

1. **Tariffs and Trade Policies**: The U.S. imposes significant tariffs on Chinese-made vehicles, making them less competitive price-wise compared to domestic or other imported EVs.

2. **Regulatory and Safety Standards**: Chinese EVs must meet stringent U.S. safety and emissions standards, which can be costly and time-consuming to achieve. This includes crash testing, emissions compliance, and other certifications.

3. **Brand Recognition and Market Entry**: Chinese automakers are still building their global reputation and may face challenges in gaining consumer trust in the U.S., where established brands like Tesla, Ford, and GM dominate the EV market.

4. **Geopolitical Tensions**: Ongoing trade tensions between the U.S. and China could discourage Chinese automakers from entering the U.S. market, as they may face additional scrutiny or barriers.

5. **Infrastructure and Support**: Establishing a dealership network, service centers, and charging infrastructure in the U.S. requires significant investment, which may deter Chinese automakers from entering the market.

That said, some Chinese automakers, like BYD, are exploring global expansion and may eventually enter the U.S. market. For now, though, U.S. consumers have limited access to Chinese EVs. Let me know if you'd like more details! 😊

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Deepseek torpedoed Nvidia. Over a half a billion in value lost.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Hmmm.... I guess I could see both sides of the I don't care if it's unsafe it's cheap argument.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Deepseek torpedoed Nvidia. Over a half a billion in value lost.

Buy now, or wait until people realize that just because you can do AI with cheap chips doesn't mean you should do AI with cheap chips?

 

[mnole03]

Buy now, or wait until people realize that just because you can do AI with cheap chips doesn't mean you should do AI with cheap chips?

Nvidia at a 50 multiple and $3 trillion in market cap doesn’t look as attractive when there’s competition.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I've watched a few vids on Deepseek. This one was kind of interesting

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Nvidia at a 50 multiple and $3 trillion in market cap doesn’t look as attractive when there’s competition.

Robert Reich wrote an article about it today. I'll see if I can pull it up. Basically, saying we protect the Nvidia's here while the competition in China is cut-throat...that's where innovation happens.

Got it: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/american-capitalism-just-got-a-black

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

US sanctions and restrictions on chips have been aimed toward keeping most of the 2nd and 3rd worlds out or behind in the AI race. As Trump's buddy Andreessen says, this cheap AI is a gift to the world (but not necessarily to the US).

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Robert Reich wrote an article about it today. I'll see if I can pull it up. Basically, saying we protect the Nvidia's here while the competition in China is cut-throat...that's where innovation happens.

Got it: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/american-capitalism-just-got-a-black

"To stay ahead globally, we don’t need to protect our monopolies from innovation—we need to protect innovation from our monopolies."

 

[hawkedoff]

Deepest is using Nvidia chips. Guarantee it

 

[LuciousBDragon]

This smells like a Chinese hail-mary. They know they’re down and gonna take a shot, but ultimately won’t win the game.

China cannot innovate. They just steal IP and slap their name on it.

 

[Bonerfarts]

 

[Bow.to.the.Narrative]

Deepest is using Nvidia chips. Guarantee it

2000 H800 to be exact.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This smells like a Chinese hail-mary. They know they’re down and gonna take a shot, but ultimately won’t win the game.

China cannot innovate. They just steal IP and slap their name on it.

That propaganda is so last decade.

This decade we pretend it has something to do with security.

 

[hawksurprize]

There are several reasons why Chinese electric vehicles (EVs) are not widely available in the U.S. market:

1. **Tariffs and Trade Policies**: The U.S. imposes significant tariffs on Chinese-made vehicles, making them less competitive price-wise compared to domestic or other imported EVs.

2. **Regulatory and Safety Standards**: Chinese EVs must meet stringent U.S. safety and emissions standards, which can be costly and time-consuming to achieve. This includes crash testing, emissions compliance, and other certifications.

3. **Brand Recognition and Market Entry**: Chinese automakers are still building their global reputation and may face challenges in gaining consumer trust in the U.S., where established brands like Tesla, Ford, and GM dominate the EV market.

4. **Geopolitical Tensions**: Ongoing trade tensions between the U.S. and China could discourage Chinese automakers from entering the U.S. market, as they may face additional scrutiny or barriers.

5. **Infrastructure and Support**: Establishing a dealership network, service centers, and charging infrastructure in the U.S. requires significant investment, which may deter Chinese automakers from entering the market.

That said, some Chinese automakers, like BYD, are exploring global expansion and may eventually enter the U.S. market. For now, though, U.S. consumers have limited access to Chinese EVs. Let me know if you'd like more details! 😊

Thanks Trump.

 

[Rifler]

Let me know if you'd like more details!

Nope,.. Don't want an EV, and certainly don't want a Chinese EV...

 

[LuciousBDragon]

That propaganda is so last decade.

This decade we pretend it has something to do with security.

What propaganda?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

What propaganda?

That's funny.

You were being funny, right?

 

[LuciousBDragon]

That's funny.

You were being funny, right?

What propaganda?

 

[seminole97]

That propaganda is so last decade.
This decade we pretend it has something to do with security.

Any reason the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (TikTok ban) can’t be applied to platform?

 

[Ree4]

Deepseek torpedoed Nvidia. Over a half a billion in value lost.

I know, isn't it great? AI was inevitably going to be used to displace and replace working folks for the profits of the oligarchs across all industries. Trump's entire tech platform has been destroyed, basically flushed $500 billion for the ongoing grift. Restrictions on chips available to China backfired on the US as it forced Deepseek to be more efficient.

Since it's open source now all of humanity can use it to improve their day to day lives and the technology can't simply be privatized and monetized to the detriment of the rest of us.

 

[Ree4]

There are several reasons why Chinese electric vehicles (EVs) are not widely available in the U.S. market:

1. **Tariffs and Trade Policies**: The U.S. imposes significant tariffs on Chinese-made vehicles, making them less competitive price-wise compared to domestic or other imported EVs.

2. **Regulatory and Safety Standards**: Chinese EVs must meet stringent U.S. safety and emissions standards, which can be costly and time-consuming to achieve. This includes crash testing, emissions compliance, and other certifications.

3. **Brand Recognition and Market Entry**: Chinese automakers are still building their global reputation and may face challenges in gaining consumer trust in the U.S., where established brands like Tesla, Ford, and GM dominate the EV market.

4. **Geopolitical Tensions**: Ongoing trade tensions between the U.S. and China could discourage Chinese automakers from entering the U.S. market, as they may face additional scrutiny or barriers.

5. **Infrastructure and Support**: Establishing a dealership network, service centers, and charging infrastructure in the U.S. requires significant investment, which may deter Chinese automakers from entering the market.

That said, some Chinese automakers, like BYD, are exploring global expansion and may eventually enter the U.S. market. For now, though, U.S. consumers have limited access to Chinese EVs. Let me know if you'd like more details! 😊

Similar to any tariffs, like the ones Trump wants to put in place, it really puts US businesses at a competitive disadvantage. When we have to subsidize inferior products (by making other products twice as expensive) while other countries don't, our initial capital expenses are higher and hurts us from the start. If tariffs expand to other industries as "promised", things will get even worse.

 

[seminole97]

Since it's open source now all of humanity can use it to improve their day to day lives and the technology can't simply be privatized and monetized to the detriment of the rest of us.

You think the people with call center jobs (just an example) that are threatened by AI are somehow going to leverage Deepseek to thwart that?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Dame Wendy Hall, a member of the United Nations high-level advisory body on AI, told the Guardian: “You can’t get away from the fact that if you are a Chinese tech company dealing with information you are subject to the Chinese government’s rules on what you can and cannot say.”

Isn't that true here, too? Don't our tech companies have to follow our government's rules? We may exercise less control, but we still exercise control. And the less part can go away with a new President. As we are already seeing on some topics.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

You think the people with call center jobs (just an example) that are threatened by AI are somehow going to leverage Deepseek to thwart that?

What do you mean?

 

[ICWestfan]

There are several reasons why Chinese electric vehicles (EVs) are not widely available in the U.S. market:

1. **Tariffs and Trade Policies**: The U.S. imposes significant tariffs on Chinese-made vehicles, making them less competitive price-wise compared to domestic or other imported EVs.

2. **Regulatory and Safety Standards**: Chinese EVs must meet stringent U.S. safety and emissions standards, which can be costly and time-consuming to achieve. This includes crash testing, emissions compliance, and other certifications.

3. **Brand Recognition and Market Entry**: Chinese automakers are still building their global reputation and may face challenges in gaining consumer trust in the U.S., where established brands like Tesla, Ford, and GM dominate the EV market.

4. **Geopolitical Tensions**: Ongoing trade tensions between the U.S. and China could discourage Chinese automakers from entering the U.S. market, as they may face additional scrutiny or barriers.

5. **Infrastructure and Support**: Establishing a dealership network, service centers, and charging infrastructure in the U.S. requires significant investment, which may deter Chinese automakers from entering the market.

That said, some Chinese automakers, like BYD, are exploring global expansion and may eventually enter the U.S. market. For now, though, U.S. consumers have limited access to Chinese EVs. Let me know if you'd like more details! 😊

On #2, I have to ask since I don't know much about EV's - What emissions do EV's produce? I get safety etc. so would emissions be tied to charging or how they are produced?

 

[CRazzle]

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I know, isn't it great? AI was inevitably going to be used to displace and replace working folks for the profits of the oligarchs across all industries. Trump's entire tech platform has been destroyed, basically flushed $500 billion for the ongoing grift. Restrictions on chips available to China backfired on the US as it forced Deepseek to be more efficient.

Since it's open source now all of humanity can use it to improve their day to day lives and the technology can't simply be privatized and monetized to the detriment of the rest of us.

It also means that other US/Western players can jump in at much lower cost and give the big boys a run for their money.

 

[seminole97]

What do you mean?

Ree’s comment didn’t make sense to me:

“Since it's open source now all of humanity can use it to improve their day to day lives and the technology can't simply be privatized and monetized to the detriment of the rest of us.”

Why would this product being open source stop FDOH from contracting with IBM so that a Watson avatar named ‘Willow’ can man the WIC call center 24-7 (currently 8-5), and permit a reduction in call center employees (a detriment to some of us)?
I don’t really see how that stops AI from being a threat to jobs that AI is a threat to. None of the current call center employees are going to be able to use Deepseek to keep their jobs.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Ree’s comment didn’t make sense to me:

“Since it's open source now all of humanity can use it to improve their day to day lives and the technology can't simply be privatized and monetized to the detriment of the rest of us.”

Why would this product being open source stop FDOH from contracting with IBM so that a Watson avatar named ‘Willow’ can man the WIC call center 24-7 (currently 8-5), and permit a reduction in call center employees (a detriment to some of us)?
I don’t really see how that stops AI from being a threat to jobs that AI is a threat to. None of the current call center employees are going to be able to use Deepseek to keep their jobs.

Gotcha. I think Ree's point was that without the very top-heavy framework we have now, we should be less at the mercy of those corporate behemoths.

The enhanced competition that should result from open source programming on lower cost chips can produce good and bad, of course, so we need to be thinking about that. But we generally think competition is good.

 

[mnole03]

I know, isn't it great? AI was inevitably going to be used to displace and replace working folks for the profits of the oligarchs across all industries. Trump's entire tech platform has been destroyed, basically flushed $500 billion for the ongoing grift. Restrictions on chips available to China backfired on the US as it forced Deepseek to be more efficient.

Since it's open source now all of humanity can use it to improve their day to day lives and the technology can't simply be privatized and monetized to the detriment of the rest of us.

Deepseek still uses Nvidia chips for the heavy lifting, but they’ve shown is that they were able to supplement those chips with cheaper readily available silicon to build their infrastructure.

Pretty damning to the projections many had made for the industry and US dominance.

 

[seminole97]

Gotcha. I think Ree's point was that without the very top-heavy framework we have now, we should be less at the mercy of those corporate behemoths.

The enhanced competition that should result from open source programming on lower cost chips can produce good and bad, of course, so we need to be thinking about that. But we generally think competition is good.

Competition is good, it fosters the kind of innovation and cost reduction that Deepseek represents.
But I think making AI cheaper to implement is going to broaden the roles under threat of being replaced by it.
Ziprecruiter is advertising work from home ‘order taker’ jobs ($13-$20/hr), where the voice on the other side of the fast food speaker is not at the restaurant.
If AI is cheaper, it just comes for those jobs sooner.

 

[Underscore2]

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But... Eggs..

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

Looks like the DeepSeek scare is over. Nvidia up 7% today after dropping as much as 17% yesterday. Glad I loaded up yesterday when it was down 15.5%. Should be a nice, quick, money maker as Nvidia recovers.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Competition is good, it fosters the kind of innovation and cost reduction that Deepseek represents.
But I think making AI cheaper to implement is going to broaden the roles under threat of being replaced by it.
Ziprecruiter is advertising work from home ‘order taker’ jobs ($13-$20/hr), where the voice on the other side of the fast food speaker is not at the restaurant.
If AI is cheaper, it just comes for those jobs sooner.

No question that jobs are at risk. Big question about whether the benefit of AI should be concentrated in the hands of a few or more broadly democratized. The easy answer seems to be concentration, but that could make for an ugly future.

 

[CRazzle]