Devin Nunes had some interesting phone calls

[lucas80]

It's one thing to enrich yourself off foreign sources and PACs.

It is quite another to 'take it to the next level' on your Intel Committee, and actively undermine your responsibility to America and the Constitution. Taking insider info from his position, and using that to undermine US policy, politicize US intel and counterintel is literally treason. Dude should hang for it. Publicly.

It looks like LC is going to have to spend all day tomorrow correcting your laughable errors, defining words and concepts to you, and pointing out that even though Trump is a bit of a scamp, these Dem crimes are worse than Watergate. Which, he lived through if he has to remind you.
Not that he’s defending Trump, Nunes, Rudy, or any of the collection of thugs and crooks in this whole steaming pile.

 

[theVoicefromtheTomb]

It looks like LC is going to have to spend all day tomorrow correcting your laughable errors, defining words and concepts to you, and pointing out that even though Trump is a bit of a scamp, these Dem crimes are worse than Watergate. Which, he lived through if he has to remind you.
Not that he’s defending Trump, Nunes, Rudy, or any of the collection of thugs and crooks in this whole steaming pile.

He had no choice

 

[BelemNole]

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

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It’s really amazing how everybody’s memories are failing.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

It’s really amazing how everybody’s memories are failing.

Almost as though it makes them unqualified for their positions....

 

[FlickShagwell]

It’s really amazing how everybody’s memories are failing.

Convenient cases of CRS disease - that disease where you can’t remember shit.

 

[Hawk It Up]

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They're also bad liars who tend to make shit up and talk in circles. Like someone else we all know.

"I don't recall that name. I remember that name"

Nunes is neck deep in this and his problems are only going to grow from this. Not go away.

 

[lucas80]

Lots of people had calls with Rudy and Lev.
I wonder if it is dawning on Mick Mulvaney that there is no DoJ prohibition against indicting an acting WH Chief of Staff? Nunes is a moron fanboy, so he’ll ride this thing to the end, but Mick seems smart enough to realize Trump isn’t handing out pardons to anyone.

 

[Hawk It Up]

Lots of people had calls with Rudy and Lev.
I wonder if it is dawning on Mick Mulvaney that there is no DoJ prohibition against indicting an acting WH Chief of Staff? Nunes is a moron fanboy, so he’ll ride this thing to the end, but Mick seems smart enough to realize Trump isn’t handing out pardons to anyone.

Mulvaney is in deep enough that if he were to flip, he'd be essentially pleading guilty to crimes. He doesn't seem suited for prison life, but he won't have much say in that.

 

[Joes Place]

Lest we not forget: Impeachable crimes (in the Articles of Impeachment) are NOT pardonable.

Not certain if that only applies to the President, or if that also applies to co-conspirators. As I don't think the Constitution makes any mention of who it applies to, it would seem that any crime identified in the Articles of Impeachment isn't pardonable by the President - any President.

Which means, the only way to stay out of jail for much of the Administration (and, apparently, the GOP) is to remain in power indefinitely.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

It is going to be an interesting day to say the least.

 

[Kenneth Griffin]

probably just a butt dial

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Lest we not forget: Impeachable crimes (in the Articles of Impeachment) are NOT pardonable.

Not certain if that only applies to the President, or if that also applies to co-conspirators. As I don't think the Constitution makes any mention of who it applies to, it would seem that any crime identified in the Articles of Impeachment isn't pardonable by the President - any President.

Which means, the only way to stay out of jail for much of the Administration (and, apparently, the GOP) is to remain in power indefinitely.

Nixon was pardoned for any crimes associated with Watergate and the House investigation...but he was never formally impeached. And the pardon was never tested in court. It'll be interesting how this plays out. Trump pardoning Mulvaney pre-impeachment vote might be different than pardoning him post-vote. Any HROT Constitutional scholars care to opine?

 

[BGHAWK]

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Ya gotta love how old Hannity posed the question too, asking Nunes about the call from some guy named Parnas or whatever his name is. lol

 

[Fijimn]

Nixon was pardoned for any crimes associated with Watergate and the House investigation...but he was never formally impeached. And the pardon was never tested in court. It'll be interesting how this plays out. Trump pardoning Mulvaney pre-impeachment vote might be different than pardoning him post-vote. Any HROT Constitutional scholars care to opine?

The sole remedy for the Senate--if they convict of impeachment--is removal. They do not have the power to do anything else. However, the removed President can then be indicted and tried for the crimes he/she committed that lead to the impeachment.

There little support for a President to have preemptive pardon powers. But Ford wanted the country to move on. That is why he agreed to testify before Congress about pardoning Nixon when, in actuality, he had absolutely no obligation to answer any questions about his absolute power to pardon.

 

[tigerguy_]

I'm sorry, but have I missed the Republican response in this thread? Where you at tried and true Trumpers??

 

[SoMplsHawkI]

I'm sorry, but have I missed the Republican response in this thread? Where you at tried and true Trumpers??

 

[Joes Place]

Nixon was pardoned for any crimes associated with Watergate and the House investigation...but he was never formally impeached.

The Constitution explicitly states that crimes in Articles of Impeachment are not pardonable.

He was never impeached, thus there were never any Articles of Impeachment in Nixon's case. The reason he resigned was he WAS going to go to jail and have no chance of a pardon if he was impeached.

 

[Hawk It Up]

The Constitution explicitly states that crimes in Articles of Impeachment are not pardonable.

He was never impeached, thus there were never any Articles of Impeachment in Nixon's case. The reason he resigned was he WAS going to go to jail and have no chance of a pardon if he was impeached.

What happened with Nixon won't happen with Trump. For starters, as defiant as both Nixon and Trump were/are, Nixon had the good sense to resign. Trump won't. Nixon lost support of his party. Trump won't. In large part because some of them are complicate.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

The Constitution explicitly states that crimes in Articles of Impeachment are not pardonable.

He was never impeached, thus there were never any Articles of Impeachment in Nixon's case. The reason he resigned was he WAS going to go to jail and have no chance of a pardon if he was impeached.

What is says is there can be no pardons in "Cases of Impeachment". But at what point does the prohibition to pardon kick in - when does the door close? It would seem logical that it was intended to prevent POTUS from protecting himself by pardoning anyone involved. So that would mean he's blocked as soon as the inquiry is launched. Right? Sooner?

And it would make sense that it would then extend beyond the actual impeachment process so POTUS couldn't dangle a future pardon in exchange for current cooperation. Everyone involved would be prohibited from pardons at any point for illegal acts that were part of the inquiry? So Nixon was constitutionally prohibited from pardoning Hunt, Liddy, Colson et. al. prior to their testimony before the committee? Before the inquiry even began? What if he was impeached but wasn't removed? He's still prohibited from pardoning them...I would think. So they go to jail for their parts in the crimes that led to impeachment. Why wouldn't that prohibition to pardon post-impeachment - if it exists - extend to Nixon himself?

Just noodling here. It's an interesting poser.

 

[JohnBasedow]

I'm sorry, but have I missed the Republican response in this thread? Where you at tried and true Trumpers??

No cons and no Russian trolls yet. They must be still waiting for their talking points to be distributed.

 

[Joes Place]

What is says is there can be no pardons in "Cases of Impeachment". But at what point does the prohibition to pardon kick in

After Impeachment has occurred.

In other words, the window is still open.

 

[baddog25]

 

[Joes Place]

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