did anybody watch the O$U vs PSU

[Hawkeye2222]

game last night, I have seen bad calls, but this one borders on the point of blatant game fixing calls,

PSU player on a break away, teammate is running right behind him, the O$U play shoves the PSU player who is following, and the ref calls a foul on the PSU player, basket is waved off, PSU was down a couple baskets at the time and it was late in the 2nd half,

Basket should have counted, has he dunked the ball at the same time the his teammate was shoved, then the player shoved should have been awarded FT's,

no excuses for what happened other than they were making sure PSU did not beat O MONEY U and hurt their seeding,

 

[MoneyintheBanks]

I thought it was 1st half?

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

Here's the link to the video and article.

I was just going to start a thread stating that the B1G has a reffing problem and it was on full display last night. This call can only be explained as vengeful on the refs part for comments about the officiating after a previous game from the Penn St. coach. Also on display was the terrible reffing in the Mich St. Purdue game. It looked more like football than basketball. The Purdue bigs were hacked virtually every time down floor but per usual the refs started swallowing their whistles. If it's a foul, it's a foul regardless of how many fouls Mich. St. had previously committed or how late in the game. Izzo's win percentage when Valentine is reffing has to be over 90%. All of this happened after I believe the Northwestern Michigan game where the out of bounds player stepped inbounds before inbounding the ball. No call was made and someone hit a crucial 3 pointer. And yet nothing will be done about it. These same refs will will be at the B1G tournament reffing some of the biggest games. There is no correlation between good officiating and getting good gigs. Something needs to be done about this.

 

[LaoHawk]

Yeah but refs are only out to get IA (sarcasm)....

 

[cg8284]

College basketball has a reffing problem, not just the Big 10. Seems to consistently get worse year to year.

 

[GT Hawkaholic]

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.

Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

 

[Guidotheguide]

What i notice is teams with a reputation get away with more crap. MSU is known as a physical team so they get away with murder (especially when Valentine's crew does their game). Wisconsin doesn't foul. Lol ok. I remember when Quinn Buckner played for Indiana, he would practically undress people and not get called. Aaron Craft is another. He routinely should have had 7 or 8 fouls called on him and i think he may have fouled out of one game his senior year and i think that was against Iowa. I remember thinking hey that's 8 fouls he is gone lol. I thought the game against IU was maybe one of the best i have seen this year (and i am not saying that because Iowa won). Sure there were some questionable calls both ways but they were very consistent on both ends. I give the players on both teams credit in the MSU-Purdue game for keeping their cool. It was out of hand how much mugging went on. And there were several over the top hard fouls committed. Most it seemed were Purdue players i think being frustrated with the no-calls. I could easily see where a fight could have happened.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

Originally posted by HawkAttackDial911:
Here's the link to the video and article.

I was just going to start a thread stating that the B1G has a reffing problem and it was on full display last night. This call can only be explained as vengeful on the refs part for comments about the officiating after a previous game from the Penn St. coach. Also on display was the terrible reffing in the Mich St. Purdue game. It looked more like football than basketball. The Purdue bigs were hacked virtually every time down floor but per usual the refs started swallowing their whistles. If it's a foul, it's a foul regardless of how many fouls Mich. St. had previously committed or how late in the game. Izzo's win percentage when Valentine is reffing has to be over 90%. All of this happened after I believe the Northwestern Michigan game where the out of bounds player stepped inbounds before inbounding the ball. No call was made and someone hit a crucial 3 pointer. And yet nothing will be done about it. These same refs will will be at the B1G tournament reffing some of the biggest games. There is no correlation between good officiating and getting good gigs. Something needs to be done about this.

If Michigan State gets this type of officiating next weekend they win the Big Ten tourney no problem.

 

[SSG T]

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.



That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.



Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

I was watching while running, so I didn't hear, but I could have sworn from the reaction of the ref that he called both players and the ball went to OSU on alternating possession.

And yeah, at some point fairly late in the 1st, PSU was up, I think, by 9. This call had nothing to do with them blowing the game.
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[DanL53]

Might I suggest the cheating has been more obvious this year as Michigan State has not the talent on the team that they usually enjoy?

It's get tough when it takes more than a few calls to help ensure a team it's victory.

But seriously, MSU isn't assured a Big Ten Tournament Championship. There is the other darling, Wisconsin, to think about.

As to OSU, Michigan, etc., I can't claim to understand how the entire paradigm works...but there is one.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Unfortunately, this is almost certainly not going to change any time soon. The call against PSU is ridiculous, but the PSU coach really doesn't have a lot to complain about, when he tries to use the "Izzo style" of mugging the other team near the basket to win games.

The MSU-Purdue game was probably the worst example I have seen this year of a coach imposing his will on how a game was played and called. If you showed that game to someone who had never seen basketball before, they would think basketball included aspects of wrestling, rugby, and acting. At times MSU was allowed to do anything their players could do (push, grab, hack...) to stop Purdue's centers from scoring near the basket. Then, poor little Travis Trice could perform his whiplash act whenever he took a bad shot or got out of control on a drive, and Uncle Teddy would be there to reward his performance...

Maybe when Izzo and Ryan retire there will be more hope that the B1G will finally have more games called as the rules are written, both ways.

 

[Ronman]

There are some good refs working Big Ten games. Unfortunately it just takes one on a crew to totally shift the outcome of a game. I actually thought Iowa got the benefit of this in one or two games this season, but frankly, it would take several dozen in a row to even the score.

With all the money the Big Ten makes, instead of coming up with plans to make freshmen ineligible (which if not universally accepted, would cripple the conference), Delaney ought to be addressing the problem with the officials he has reffing conference games. Having professional refs, like the NBA, which are actually accountable for their performance, would be a good start. If nothing else, it might eliminate the sideline hugfests between some refs and certain coaches in the league.

 

[StatisticsLie]

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.

Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

Ignoring the impact of momentum is just as bad as missing facts.

 

[GT Hawkaholic]

Originally posted by StatisticsLie:

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.

Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

Ignoring the impact of momentum is just as bad as missing facts.

No, ignoring a FACT (lie) that it was late 2nd half is not nearly the same. Momentum is fickle and doesn't last forever. Iowa had a huge lead on Michigan State and all the momentum, how'd that turn out?

The final score was a 10 point advantage so if you can summon up 10 other point changing calls in favor of OSU, I'll jump on board.

 

[Section8]

While stating that the bad call, and it was, was late in the second half adds drama to your story it's obviously wrong. Notice where the PSU bench is located. THAT is the end of the court that PSU will be on offense in the second half. You could have added "last minute with title on the line" for added effect.

 

[BGHAWK]

Well for sure the bad no call when a NW player stepped on the line while throwing the ball in with a few seconds to go against Mich the other night, and Demps hit a 3 to send it to the 2nd overtime, cost Mich the game.

 

[final_flashx]

You "watch" sports and claim that momentum is fickle? You wanna talk about the Iowa/MSU game and what happened cos we had all the momentum.... well MSU changed the momentum after nailing a few threes and then all of a sudden the entire team couldn't miss because they had all the momentum and confidence now.

I'm not saying that one call changed the entire outlook of the game, but that was a trash call. I don't care if it was the first play of the game or the last play of the game, there's no excuse for a ref to make a trash call like that.

 

[B1G]

I watched the game while also working online, so I didn't see every second but OSU got hosed on more bad calls than Pedo State did, especially in the 1st half. There is no conspiracy. The refs suck and you only see what you want to see. But don't let that get in the way of your O$U rant.

 

[jerbob36]

Refs have made bad calls for decades. They are human. Has anybody on here ever done it? I've reffed only a couple AAU games and it is not easy. Granted, if you work a major college conference, you better be pretty good. Still, they are going to make mistakes. And they have for years. The only difference now is the media and internet as a vehicle to blow things out of proportion.

Caveat: any bad calls against the Hawks are part of a conspiracy. Believe it!

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Jerbob, if you saw the game, you thought the officiating in the MSU-Purdue game was OK? I agree that errors are made and officials can't see everything and bad officiating isn't new, but the B1G should be embarrassed for allowing officiating like the MSU-Purdue game to happen. Izzo and officials determined the outcome of the game much more than the players on the court. It wasn't just one bad call like the NW-Michigan game.

 

[GT Hawkaholic]

Originally posted by final_flashx:
You "watch" sports and claim that momentum is fickle? You wanna talk about the Iowa/MSU game and what happened cos we had all the momentum.... well MSU changed the momentum after nailing a few threes and then all of a sudden the entire team couldn't miss because they had all the momentum and confidence now.

I'm not saying that one call changed the entire outlook of the game, but that was a trash call. I don't care if it was the first play of the game or the last play of the game, there's no excuse for a ref to make a trash call like that.

Why did you quote "watch"? Are you implying I can't actually see the game or do you just really not know how to use quotations or the word "cos"

In other news, thank you for proving my point. I'll try it your way. If you "watched" the game you'd realize that Russell couldn't miss a shot. HE and HE alone seized the momentum and took the game over, not the refs. Penn State was up 9 so wtf is everyone complaining about. You really think up 9 or 11 would have mattered?

Russell decided it was winning time so he did what he always seems to do. End of story. It's a typical Iowa fan reaction to think the refs are out to get us and every game is fixed.

PSU and NW both got more calls in their favor against Iowa and Iowa got more calls in their favor vs. Maryland and Illinois. No question in my mind. Welcome to athletics.

 

[Hawkeye2222]

didn't watch the game just saw the highlight and it was mentioned it happened in the 2nd half late.. either way if had been called as it should Williams would have had the foul and Newbill would not have, and PSU would have had a bigger lead.

look at IA everybody in the country knows that when "ANY" IA player gets 2 fouls they sit the rest of the 1st half so if a ref wants to they can call 2 quick fouls on who the deem is most crucial to the team. and that does have a very big impact on the outcome of the game,

MSU can still get that 3 seed and O$U can still get that 4 seed pushing IA and Purdue down to the 5 and 6 seed letting MSU and O$U avoid playing until Friday. it also puts those 2 team into position of getting Higher seeds in the Dance,

like it or not O$U and MSU are the draws in the BT while Purdue and IA are nobodies in the BT

sorry about the mix up, but I just posted what I saw and how it was worded, and thx for posting that video as I am unable to do so.

PSU would have had a bigger lead Newbill would not have been assessed that fould and Williams would have. and that has/had a major impact on the games outcome. when it comes to fouls its not so much about how many. its more about on who and when the fouls are called.

 

[illhawkdvv]

I've officiated many games and it's impossible to make both teams think your fair. In any game at least 50 to 75 calls can go either way. A ref has one second to make the call. We think the Big needs to do something about the refs because their bias towards certain teams. Do you think other leagues don't think the same thing. Do you not think fans that play against Duke Kentucky North Carolina Kansas think the refs give them a little help? Complaining about the officials is an age old practice and isn't about to go away. Learning to play through it is what makes a good team and one that will seam to be getting the calls.

 

[soybean]

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.

Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

So what? Why does it matter when the bad call was made? The fact that PSU was up 5 instead of 7 at that point may have been a larger factor than just numbers. Fans like you baffle me.

 

[Medill90]

When inbounding the ball you can step on the line. The line is out of bounds so you've caused no infraction.

You and all the announcers who said otherwise are wrong.

I've known about this rule for little over 24 hours now.

 

[soybean]

I'm not calling out any particular poster in this thread, but anyone who argues that Tom Izzo does not bend the officals will toward his team is kidding themselves. Izzo has been a succesful manipulator of the zebras since day one in this league...keep in mind he learned this at the feet of the master
.

That fact that the Big10 buries their head in the sand in this regard is scandalous.

 

[Hawkeye2222]

illhawk since you say you officiated games just how can you justify that call in the PSU game. and don't tell me it was just a missed/mistake call.

another point to make not only should the basket counted , but by the rule that was a Flagrant 1 which means 2 FT's and the ball, if a flagrant won't be called Newbill still would hav shot FT's as the foul was on him and not the shooter, in this case the lead would/could have gone from 5 to 9 off FT's alone.

and the momentum was all on PSU side, and a made basket the lead could have been as much as 12 points, that far cry from 5,

 

[herkI]

I agree, that IS the worst call I've ever seen!

 

[GT Hawkaholic]

Originally posted by soybean:

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.

Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

So what? Why does it matter when the bad call was made? The fact that PSU was up 5 instead of 7 at that point may have been a larger factor than just numbers. Fans like you baffle me.

Fans like me baffle you? That's really random. What kind of fan am I? So my thinking on the game being fixed vs. one bad call makes me baffling as a whole?

Because I refuse to put my tinfoil hat on and think the B1G has it out for teams? Go back and watch the rest of the game. There were plenty of missed calls in favor of PSU. I bet OSU would have drained a 3 on those plays and gone on a big run!

So when Olaseni got destroyed on his dunk attempt vs. PSU with no call the refs were conspiring against Iowa

THEN

They turn around the next game and conspire against Penn State.

OH THE NERVE.

It was a bad call but if you show me a game these days where there isn't an awful call/missed call against a flop or a hack job inside or offensive push-off then I'll agree with you.

 

[OnceAhawk]

Originally posted by Guidotheguide:
What i notice is teams with a reputation get away with more crap. MSU is known as a physical team so they get away with murder (especially when Valentine's crew does their game). Wisconsin doesn't foul. Lol ok. I remember when Quinn Buckner played for Indiana, he would practically undress people and not get called. Aaron Craft is another. He routinely should have had 7 or 8 fouls called on him and i think he may have fouled out of one game his senior year and i think that was against Iowa. I remember thinking hey that's 8 fouls he is gone lol. I thought the game against IU was maybe one of the best i have seen this year (and i am not saying that because Iowa won). Sure there were some questionable calls both ways but they were very consistent on both ends. I give the players on both teams credit in the MSU-Purdue game for keeping their cool. It was out of hand how much mugging went on. And there were several over the top hard fouls committed. Most it seemed were Purdue players i think being frustrated with the no-calls. I could easily see where a fight could have happened.

there's video of Izzo saying that the refs can't call fouls every time; and of course, i cannot find it

I, too, get so sick of hearing TV announcers say "Wisconsin does not foul...."

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running. Ref says "my bad"..................right? Nah, probably not.

The ref thought...that was his problem. He didn't know, assuming this was actually the case.

 

[soybean]

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Originally posted by soybean:

Originally posted by GT Hawkaholic:

Don't let the facts get in the way of your story.

That happened probably mid-first half. Not late 2nd half. It was a bad call but in my opinion the ref probably thought he was trying to "block" the defender from running.

Not real sure one call in the first half decides a game and justifies fixing it. Didn't PSU go up 5+ points after that.

So what? Why does it matter when the bad call was made? The fact that PSU was up 5 instead of 7 at that point may have been a larger factor than just numbers. Fans like you baffle me.

Fans like me baffle you? That's really random. What kind of fan am I? So my thinking on the game being fixed vs. one bad call makes me baffling as a whole?

Because I refuse to put my tinfoil hat on and think the B1G has it out for teams? Go back and watch the rest of the game. There were plenty of missed calls in favor of PSU. I bet OSU would have drained a 3 on those plays and gone on a big run!

So when Olaseni got destroyed on his dunk attempt vs. PSU with no call the refs were conspiring against Iowa

THEN

They turn around the next game and conspire against Penn State.

OH THE NERVE.

It was a bad call but if you show me a game these days where there isn't an awful call/missed call against a flop or a hack job inside or offensive push-off then I'll agree with you.

GT - I didn't mean to sound harsh. I've always respected your opinion. The point I was trying to inartfully make was it doesn't matter what the time & score...a bad call is a bad call...it can hurt just as bad early as it does late.

 

[GenericHawk]

Did you guys even watch the play??? Newbill clearly initiates the contact by extending his left arm. There was NO REASON for that, the OSU player was never going to catch up at that point. Yeah the OSU player pushed him and he flopped over but Newbill was not innocent in that play. With the amount of force the OSU player applied (hardly any) there is no way Newbill would go flying away like that. The OSU player didn't put any body into the push, it was more like a "get that arm away from me" kind of push. I could easily see the ref calling it the way he did if he saw the arm from a different angle than what we see in that crappy replay.

This post was edited on 3/5 8:11 PM by GenericHawk

 

[illhawkdvv]

That's a hard call to justify as a miss but yes a ref can make that call honestly. Believe me as a former official the last thing one would do is make that blatant of a call on purpose. It would depend on the angle and just when the ref happened to see the play. With all of the slow motion and replays it makes the refs look inept for sure. YES if you were an official the fans on here would be calling you very bias towards some team and it would be the fans that really hated you.