The vast majority of people who will carry only after the law is effective have a respect for the weapon and will only use in self defense. You have to worry about those who don't and they most likely already did.
I don't see many who are defending him at all costs simply because he is an Iowa basketball player. I do see some who think he was "sucker punched" and have issue with that. I also see plenty who don't like him for whatever reason (could it be tied to Iowa Basketball?) and think he is the one at fault. And as far as throwing ice making him eligible to charged with assault, I don't think you have much of a case there. Douchey move, absolutely. I myself didn't see the confrontation so I cannot comment on who is to blame.
And while I have no dog in the fight regarding your swag comment, maybe you can define just who is eligible to use that term? I guess that will just be another protective class middle age white guys aren't eligible to benefit from?
Definitely douchey. Definitely assault in many cases as well. Hell, throwing water on people can be considered assault.
Under Iowa Code 708.1, an assault occurs when:
- A person acts in a way that could cause another individual pain or injury, or physically contacting them in an offensive or insulting manner, and they had the means to carry out the act; or
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Anyone is eligible to use the phrase. People are just going to laugh at you when you're an old white dude using it though. Sort of like when your 56 year old neighbor Randy gets done grilling to show you his recently purchased New Balance "kicks" and the new wax job on the trusty "whip". Maybe even tell you he had a "savage" Memorial Day mowing the yard.
What does being "white" have to do with it? Maybe just age next time.
As far as the ice in this case being used for an assault charge - misdemeanor, maybe. Felony, no.
Why is everybody being so coy about identifying the guy who allegedly punched him? I am confused. I have watched the video numerous times and can't see half of the stuff I'm reading about. Moreover, it looks like the guy who punches him is far, far too small to be a DE, even at ISU.
Uh-Oh, this thread is dangerously starting to sound like a Dr. Rick Progressive commercial on how not to become our parents! https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...304F9B300AF677950F10304&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Well the rumored guy was a walk on and played ten years ago. Football players typically lose a lot of bulk after their playing days
but it does seem odd that the names are being not thrown out.
Definitely douchey. Definitely assault in many cases as well. Hell, throwing water on people can be considered assault.
Under Iowa Code 708.1, an assault occurs when:
If every law were strictly enforced we'd be living in penal colony. No one got actually injured-except Jordan's pride-and involving police in trivial matters like a routine one punch bar "fight" is very costly.
Maybe once law enforcement can round up all the criminal illegals, meth producers, importers, wholesalers and retailers, harden every school against school shooters (which will definitively reduce traffic enforcement) and stop the mass killings in our inner cities they can get around to solving the national crises of drunk college aged boys fighting in bars.
Under Iowa Code 708.1, an assault occurs when:
- A person acts in a way that could cause another individual pain or injury, or physically contacting them in an offensive or insulting manner, and they had the means to carry out the act; or
If every law were strictly enforced we'd be living in penal colony. No one got actually injured-except Jordan's pride-and involving police in trivial matters like a routine one punch bar "fight" is very costly.
Maybe once law enforcement can round up all the criminal illegals, meth producers, importers, wholesalers and retailers, harden every school against school shooters (which will definitively reduce traffic enforcement) and stop the mass killings in our inner cities they can get around to solving the national crises of drunk college aged boys fighting in bars.
As I said in my post, "if the other party is charged" I'd be fine with these charges being introduced. I'd much prefer this whole thing be dropped and we all move past it.
* Assuming the "rumors" are true about the ice incident.
Is there a certain line that is crossed when it is OK to punch someone, even if it is not a sucker punch? Who gets to decide that line? Is there an asshole line? I am not defending Jordan because I still do not know what happened and may never know.
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If you are actively being assaulted the line has been crossed.
Moment of levity: the asshole line is called a buttcrack by us common folk.
I do like your moment of clarity, but have major concerns about your first statement. The person doing the assaulting is allowed to determine when it is OK based on your logic. I hope that you are not a judge.
I think the part about "If you are actively being assaulted" may have been misunderstood on your part. One may even go so far as to call assualting someone who is already in the process of assualting you self defense.
It may very well be that I misunderstood what you said. I originally thought you were saying that if someone assaulted you, you were probably being an asshole.
In the situation being discussed, are you calling Jordan the assaulter because he was allegedly throwing ice? I did not see him doing this on the video, so was he still the assaulter at this point and it was still OK for the other gentleman to “defend” himself? This is a very slippery slope that you are walking.
All my responses are based off the belief Jordan was throwing Ice, plastic cups, and plastic cups which contained liquid in them.
Pretty simple.
If someone assaults you, you have the right to defend yourself, even if that defense would be considered assualt had the original assualt not taken place.
To add a reference from the movie Friday. You guys who dont want to see Jordan in a negative light due to this are cheering for Debo after he assaulted Craig. **** that, we all wanted craig (ice cube) to whip Debo's ass it was just easier to understand when neither of them wore an Iowa jersey.
I do like Jordan, but I have not defended his actions. I do not know what he was doing or not doing. I was asking basic questions about when it is Ok to assault someone for being an asshole as you had it figured out, so I wanted to learn.
Fair enough and I'm no lawyer. Imo though if someone starts something with actions that could be considered "assault" you have the right to defend yourself.
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There is, although that line is gets pretty blurry after 10 pm in every bar in the United States, what the hell; every bar in the world.
Well, to get all lawyery on you self defense exonerates from assault (threat to touch) and battery (actual touching) when
"1.freedom from fault in bringing on the difficulty;
2. a necessity to strike; and
3. an attempt to retreat unless there is no mode of escape or the peril will increase."
There is another part of the defense that requires the reasonable use of defensive force. Like you can't shoot me if I throw an ice cube at you. Or, if you breaking into my house, I cannot eliminate your threat by making you law on the ground and then shoot you in the head while you're on the ground.
A punch to the head would not be a reasonable use of force in retaliation for someone throwing a cocktail cube at you from several feet away.
FWIW Self defense does not require only a retaliatory use of force. Two drunk kids yapping at each other. One has been in lots of fights and the other none. The fighter would be able to identify pre strike movements like the other guy's arm twitch, or clinching his fist. Turning the punching shoulder is certain signal of the on coming punch.
The facts are rarely clear.
"1.freedom from fault in bringing on the difficulty;
2. a necessity to strike; and
3. an attempt to retreat unless there is no mode of escape or the peril will increase."
There is another part of the defense that requires the reasonable use of defensive force. Like you can't shoot me if I throw an ice cube at you. Or, if you breaking into my house, I cannot eliminate your threat by making you law on the ground and then shoot you in the head while you're on the ground.
A punch to the head would not be a reasonable use of force in retaliation for someone throwing a cocktail cube at you from several feet away.
FWIW Self defense does not require only a retaliatory use of force. Two drunk kids yapping at each other. One has been in lots of fights and the other none. The fighter would be able to identify pre strike movements like the other guy's arm twitch, or clinching his fist. Turning the punching shoulder is certain signal of the on coming punch.
The facts are rarely clear.
And that's the problem,.. The information available at this time is mostly incomplete and/or inaccurate,.. We're all best off to just wait for the entire story to come out.
I doubt this ever happens.
Punching someone 10 minutes after they threw an ice cube at you isn't self defense. You don't need to be a lawyer to realize that. You just need common sense.
Common sense would also dictate it’s not the best plan to throw ice at anyone.
Additionally it would not take a lot of common sense to expect you might get confronted about it if you did.
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Both of those things are true and are not mutually exclusive to punching someone over the throwing of ice not being self defense...
Never claimed they were. Just pointing out that a lot of common sense might have been absent on both sides.
LoL sorry ice is nothing compared to sucker punching somebody more than once and you can bet the guy would get far more of a punishment.
Retaliation would be a better term to use than self defense.
One is much more likely to get punched in the face if they are being an asshat would be another thing that should be common sense.
I honestly have no idea if he threw ice at people. But if you are being a dick you should expect someone might be a dick back to you.
LOL sorry take it up with Iowa Code.
I didn't say the two were comparable forms of assault, only that they are two forms of assault.
the guy never misses a chance. i'll give him that.
I hope they have the guy who punched him in the face on the podcast too. That way we can hear both versions of the truth and determine the actual truth is somewhere in the middle.
I agree that this would be nice for those of us trying to keep an open mind. There are some on this site who have already condemned Jordan for being an asshat and deserving of what he received so I am not sure that it is going to matter to them.
I am starting to warm to JB knowing how much he grief he apparently causes you guys. Friggin hilarious. Carry on. Go JB!
No grief at all to me I just like to hear both sides of the story. You don’t?
Well, he is an asshat. As for this incident, I don’t really have an opinion.
Maybe the WUWO podcast can bring on the other guy. Would be epic
Do you even know Jordan or are you just saying this because of his quotes or interviews?
Just a bitter Clone fan would be my guess. They will have spent 6 years calling him bad at basketball but also had to watch him go 5-1 against ISU.
Amen T......that's my view and what matters to me as a fan at the end of the day/season. Way to go JBo.....let's make 6-1 and screw anyone else who has a problem with the success. Norm Van Lier always said as a player and an analyst for the Bulls players/teams need an "attitude" to win BB games.... I totally agree....and JBo, who is not blessed with great PG size or elite athleticism but one HELL of a shooter has attitude...5-1 baby.
