Did you like the experimental rules used in the NIT?

[Franisdaman]

I don't like the fouls resetting in OT. That was just bad when Iowa had to foul several times in order to get TCU to the foul line. Fix the OT foul situation. Otherwise, I did not mind the experimental rules.

What say you?

 

[Hawksfor3]

No.

 

[And1Hawk]

I'd like to see quarters and 1 & 1's for a few times at least. That's (FTs) an important part of the game and may have partially cost us today.

 

[K OKeefe]

Yes. The 1 and 1 FT is a joke. I felt like the game had a better flow with the FT resetting for each segment. I would like to see the NCAA adopt the rules and get rid of the 20 minute half.

 

[jdw10224405]

The quarters / foul reset hurt us, not that we were making free throws, but still. TCU racked up a lot of fouls in the 3rd, should have had to pay for that the rest of the game. Also, the foul reset for OT is absurd. I think it should carry over the foul total from the 4th. Also, if you're going to do this "quarters", then do it all the way and stop between quarters.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Yes I liked the new rules, all of them.

 

[K OKeefe]

Also, if you're going to do this "quarters", then do it all the way and stop between quarters.

What he said.

 

[FTCHawk]

Meh. Too small of sample size to really get a feel.

 

[nu2u]

I have two proposed rule changes for the NIT

1. Coach Outside the Box:
1st Offense = warning
2nd Offense = 2 FTs
3rd Offense = 2 FTs, loss of TO
4th Offense = 2 FTs, ejection

TCU coach was on the court and/or up the sideline most of the game.

2. Official's Game Film Review: 60 seconds max.

JFC, look at the replay 2 or 3 times, talk about it, and make a damn decision already. I cooked a 12 lb. turkey waiting for the refs to make a call on Baer's flagrant.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Like others have said, I wish they would just go to playing 4 quarters if they make the change.

Also I wouldn't mind changing to a 24 second be shot clock.

And the biggest thing I wish they would look to change. Quit making such stupid flagrant calls. Don't have a flagrant 1 and a flagrant 2 foul. Change it back to a common foul and an actual flagrant. I'm so tired of seeing someone make a foul while just playing the game and having it called as a flagrant just because it was an accidental hit to the head.
A great example is the game this year against Wisconsin when jok basically got tackled and his elbow hit the guy in the head. Why should jok get a flagrant foul because of that?

 

[mrcyfan]

The rule changes certainly changed the complexion of today's game in overtime. Can't really say I have an opinion with a small sample size.

I might be in favor of going to quarters but don't agree with going to a 24 second clock. It might work in the NBA, but I don't think the quality of players in the NCAA would make for great flow to the game...... leading to a lot of rushed/poor shots.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I have always liked the two halves for college basketball but this wasn't as bad as I thought. I do think it's odd that it's the only type of basketball that is not played in quarters.

I hate not having 1 and 1 free throws. I really disliked it today. I also really disliked reseting fouls in ot.

 

[RocknRollface]

I didn't like it.

TCU had an advantage by being able to give up fouls at the end of the game. Thats not a small thing, a guy starts to beat you off the dribble and you just grab. Normally they would have been well into the bonus and not able to foul.

I don't mind quarters but I don't like the fouls resetting, which I know is the main point of it.

I think the college game is too short to reset fouls.

 

[Hawksfor3]

I'm not fond of fouls resetting either. Sometimes in close games, the foul shots make the difference. I know we weren't hitting well with our foul shots, but still, having the 1 and 1 would be nice.

 

[Hawksfor3]

I didn't like it.

TCU had an advantage by being able to give up fouls at the end of the game. Thats not a small thing, a guy starts to beat you off the dribble and you just grab. Normally they would have been well into the bonus and not able to foul.

I don't mind quarters but I don't like the fouls resetting, which I know is the main point of it.

I think the college game is too short to reset fouls.

That last TCU foul. What was it? At 8 secs left? An announcer said "They have a couple of fouls to give".

 

[HellaHawk]

The fouls just resetting at the 10 min mark without actually starting a new quarter seemed pretty arbitrary. So if a guy gets fouled at the 10:01 mark he gets two free throws, but nothing if he gets fouled a second later? If they actually had quarters, it would be different. My guess is that quarters would disrupt the tv timeout situation. Right now you get 4 tv times out per half. If you switch to quarters, tv timeouts every 4 mins don't make sense so you'd have to move to tv timeouts every 5 mins. But that would cut out one tv timeout. I don't see that happening. Thus, the halfs without quarters but fouls arbitrarily resetting. Seems dumb.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I have two proposed rule changes for the NIT

1. Coach Outside the Box:
1st Offense = warning
2nd Offense = 2 FTs
3rd Offense = 2 FTs, loss of TO
4th Offense = 2 FTs, ejection

TCU coach was on the court and/or up the sideline most of the game.

2. Official's Game Film Review: 60 seconds max.

JFC, look at the replay 2 or 3 times, talk about it, and make a damn decision already. I cooked a 12 lb. turkey waiting for the refs to make a call on Baer's flagrant.

Coaches on the floor has no advantage/outcome on the game. If the officials/NCAA wanted them off the floor, they would. Its a non-issue. Just like coaches on the sidelines of football games. New rule if the coach comes onto the field it will be 15yd automatic this year, wait and see how many times it gets called (Im guessing zero). It has zero effect on the outcome.

After what happened to NW in the tournament I would like to see a coaches challenge put in. Each coaches gets 1 per game. If the coach uses it and its successful, then they get a 2nd and that's it. Can use it at anytime (even under 1 min). I just think that these officials miss some key plays and they don't really care until under 1 min (sometimes that's too late). Cannot dispute fouls (block/charge).

Also agree they need to have 10min quarters. I think it should be fouls 3-4 (1-1) the 5th foul goes to (2 shots).

In the UNC vs Arkansas game there was a questionable tip ball. It happened at like 1:23 seconds left in the game. Bo Boroski was going to review it and another official came over and you can see him say "its not under 1 min, no review." I thought it was 2min, but you see BO and the other official talk and talk and talk. Finally they went and looked at it.

 

[Lone Clone]

The fouls/free throws thing is bullshit.

 

[hawkifann]

I don't like the fouls resetting in OT. That was just bad when Iowa had to foul several times in order to get TCU to the foul line. Fix the OT foul situation. Otherwise, I did not mind the experimental rules.

What say you?

I agree with this. The only piece I didn't like was resetting fouls in OT. I thought the rest were fine. At some point, I'm guessing we'll go to a quarter model....can't really say I care one way or the other on that.

 

[JEDN]

Did not like the experimental rules but am also one that would like the 24 second shot clock.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I didn't like it.

TCU had an advantage by being able to give up fouls at the end of the game. Thats not a small thing, a guy starts to beat you off the dribble and you just grab. Normally they wo uld have been well into the bonus and not able to foul.

I don't mind quarters but I don't like the fouls resetting, which I know is the main point of it.

I think the college game is too short to reset fouls.

I agree..so let me get this right..at 9:59 you get a redo of 4 fouls..so your 1st 4 fouls of the game doesnt mean anything...but your 5th does...but then at 9:59 we go back to 1st 4 fouls (doesnt mean anything)...

but hey in OT all the fouls you commited in regulation dont mean anything..and we reset...stupid.

 

[hawkifann]

I agree..so let me get this right..at 9:59 you get a redo of 4 fouls..so your 1st 4 fouls of the game doesnt mean anything...but your 5th does...but then at 9:59 we go back to 1st 4 fouls (doesnt mean anything)...

but hey in OT all the fouls you commited in regulation dont mean anything..and we reset...stupid.

All the 10 minute re-set does is re-allocate when you get the FTs. In the regular rules, 7 fouls gives 1-1 and 10 goes to 2 shots. The reset gets rid of the 1-1s and is roughly the equivalent of moving the bonus line down to 9....but instead of waiting until the end of the half to get to the bonus, you can get there quickly if a team commits a flurry of fouls. I kind of like it, actually, but I think if they actually activate this rule, they should continue to consider OT to be an extension of the 2nd half or, at worst, use the total count of fouls for the half and apply current rules.

In your example above, the current standard rules simply mean your first 6 fouls don't mean anything.

 

[hexumhawk]

I actually didnt mind it. Like that fact that some early cheap fouls dont plague you into the late part of the half like normally.

 

[Titanhawk2]

It actually worked in Iowa's favor at the end of regulation. Gave them an extra foul without any foul shots to try and waste time.

 

[DanL53]

I don't think we should get any new rules until the refs understand the old ones and can actually call games consistently and well.

I think there should be a massive overhaul of how refs are taught, hired, and managed. This independent contractor thing has got to go!

 

[hoffmkr]

The fouls resetting at 10 Minute mark isn't bad. However, resetting in OT needing 4 fouls in 5 minutes is too much. At most, it should have been shooting after 3 fouls.

 

[DewHawk]

I agree..so let me get this right..at 9:59 you get a redo of 4 fouls..so your 1st 4 fouls of the game doesnt mean anything...but your 5th does...but then at 9:59 we go back to 1st 4 fouls (doesnt mean anything)...

but hey in OT all the fouls you commited in regulation dont mean anything..and we reset...stupid.

I agree with this.

 

[NashvilleHawk]

I like the fouls resetting at the 10 minute mark.
Need to improve the OT rules with the 5th foul in regulation and 2nd foul in OT.

At least in Card Sharks, they go 5 cards in the regular game and the tie-breaker is only 3 cards, which is better than the NIT experimental rules.

 

[hawkifann]

I don't necessarily hate the idea of a reset in OT, but as stated, 5 fouls is too much for 5 minutes. Needs to be 2-3.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Seems funky to me. If you ask me, the game was always fine.. Why do we suddenly need all these changes now? I don't see the problem with halves and FT's on 7+ fouls. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they got rid of the double bonus and went back to 1-and-1 only. Guess I'm an old school guy but I thought it worked.

If you're worried about the foul/FT situation, here's an idea: Let the players play the game instead of calling phantom fouls every time someone drives to the rim. Did anyone see the Xavier/Maryland game on Thursday? I didn't see the whole thing, but I watched much of the first half, and there was a whistle every time someone drove to the rim. EVERY. TIME. And on the replays, half of the time there was zero contact. It was painful to watch. Call the obvious fouls, absolutely, but I'd just like to see the refs quit anticipating contact and automatically blowing the whistle regardless of contact or lack thereof.

 

[rufus-hawk]

Agree with others who said the reset doesn't make sense unless you go to 4 quarters and that 4 is too many for a short OT period. Too many fouls to give.

 

[RocknRollface]

I agree..so let me get this right..at 9:59 you get a redo of 4 fouls..so your 1st 4 fouls of the game doesnt mean anything...but your 5th does...but then at 9:59 we go back to 1st 4 fouls (doesnt mean anything)...

but hey in OT all the fouls you commited in regulation dont mean anything..and we reset...stupid.

It just allows defenders to foul more with out the incentive not to do so, aka freethrows.

I think thats the last thing college bball needs. Unless it comes with a total crackdown on MSU/Wisconsin style grabbing defense.

Ive thought, since the first failed attempt, that the only way to bring college basketball back to the modern track that the nba is now on is to truly crack down on the grabbing (Izzo) style defense. Meaning you would basically have to foul most of his players out for probably an entire season before he would accept the change as permanent and teach it differently.

That would make for a really long game with a ton of freethrows and so maybe thats why there going to quarters. But I highly doubt it.

 

[RocknRollface]

I don't think we should get any new rules until the refs understand the old ones and can actually call games consistently and well.

I think there should be a massive overhaul of how refs are taught, hired, and managed. This independent contractor thing has got to go!

Absolutely correct. It will never change until there is true oversight, critique and punishment, for how they do their job.

You need full time officials with full time management to make it work. Its why pro sports can make changes stick and college can't.

 

[SWIowahawks]

Resetting fouls for OT is dumb. Guys are gonna be fouling out at the end of regulation and OT just to get the other team to the Ft line. I also don't like not having 1 and 1's. I think there should be a little pressure to end of game free throws.

 

[Hawktruck]

I don't necessarily hate the idea of a reset in OT, but as stated, 5 fouls is too much for 5 minutes. Needs to be 2-3.

I believe in OT free throws were shot after the 4th foul. I don't like the new rules but if they adopt them, the fouls should carry over into OT as others have said. I wish they would keep it as it is. Taking away the 1 and 1 takes away a significant part of the drama/strategy.

 

[iahawks10]

All it does is change the timing of the FT contest and reward poor FT teams a guaranteed double bonus.

Teams will always foul late to stop the clock.

Also fouls should not reset for OT.

 

[Dauminator]

Call intentionally fouling a player like it is: an intentional foul. Give them shots and the ball. There goes the end of game FT slog.

 

[SpartanHawk]

Having to "ramp up" fouls to put players on the line late in the game either in the last quarter or in overtime I think also hurts teams that can't afford to have a "foul crew" that is there just to commit fouls so that your decent players don't foul out trying to send players to the line at the end. And to get to the point where they can be sent to the line means more fouls need to be committed too, which takes away from the game.

Baer committed his fourth foul in overtime, and therefore couldn't afford to foul any more towards the end because of the need to put them on the line then. Either you risk having him foul out, have to put in another player when on defense selectively, or not be able to strategically foul in some circumstances. Not having one-on-one makes for less likely an ability to come back in a game too, even though you still will have people committing MORE fouls to deal with the newer limits as well as to try and stop the clock and send them to the line anyway.

 

[gojojo]

That foul rule is idotic and totally can ruin a game. It give the team with a lead such a big advantage in the last few minutes. No thank you.

heads up play by Baer to take advantage of it in the last 6 seconds. Very surprised Fran calls a t.o and then we don't use one of our two fouls we can give away. TCU gets and open look, but luckily missed at the end of regulation. Then, having the fouls start over in O.T is beyond absurd. If you are going to have this rule the fouls should carry over; this just opens the game up for a foul-a-thon in the last 35 seconds...makes it a pretty poor viewing experience.

 

[SSG T]

The fouls/free throws thing is bullshit.

Yeah. I'd rather they go to quarters, do a 1and1 at 5 fouls (or possibly even 4) then 2 shots at 7. And don't reset in OT.