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Joe Wieskamp has made no secret that his ultimate goal is the NBA and has flirted heavily with the idea of bolting twice already. He all but stated that he came back last year just because of the pandemic. Iowa - like it or not - will be in a rebuilding year next year, and this month represents the highest high that he could possibly reach in an Iowa uniform.
These factors, coupled not insignificantly with the fact that virtually every rumor out of camp carver has him gone, amounts to the proverbial Writing On The Wall.
Like it or not, Joe Wieskamp won't be a Hawk next year.
you maybe right...I am going with the mindset of...it's not over tithe buzzer sounds. So I will wait to hear from Joe on what his future is.
GO HAWKS!
While losing Weezy to the NBA will hurt, Iowa will be pretty well stocked with forwards next year (2 Murrays, PMac, Sandfort) so I think the Hawks will carry on. Losing Luka will hurt more but if Nunge can recover well (4-6 months estimated recovery time), he should be back in game shape by November, 9 months after his surgery. And the glimpses of Big O were interesting. Let's see what he looks like with a full spring and summer of conditioning drills and diet control.
I’d rather have the staff had its priorities on a few big uglies.
Meh. I hope Ulis gets a chance to show what he's got.
Fran would have Connor starting anyway, I'm sure Connor and the nepotism is a big reason why he never came here to begin with, and there's absolutely no way he would come here now after watching Connor take minutes away from other guys that should be playing. Oh but Connor can feed the ball to Garza lol.
I don't follow these things. Is JoeW being told he is a surefire NBA draftee this year? If not, is he really that fed up with playing for the Hawks? Is money an issue with his family? As arguably our most talented returning player, he could be the star on next year's squad.
Doubt he’s in the NBA either.
He needs to get stronger and develop his off dribble game significantly.
If he wants to play in Europe (or some other non-NBA league), then he may be ready to leave.
We make a deep run, Weezy is gone for sure.... we get bounced in round 1/2 theres a CHANCE he returns but a damn small one
Weezy will be back . For his fiancé and for his opportunity to be “ the man” with Garza and Bohannon gone .
If we consider any transfer I'd hope it is a big man. I think C.J./J.T/Ulis and Perkins are solid.
Joe has made no secret of his NBA as early as possible ambition. However, that was before his fiancé entered the Iowa College of Dental Science on a DDM track.
Also, the money has to make sense. I definitely think he will undergo the evaluation process and see what the money is like.
Being a 25 ppg scorer next season, which is possible without Luka, may had a significant positive effect on Joe W's money. I do not think he leaves school to go to Europe with a fiancé in Iowa City. It will definitely improve his money if the extra points come from more dunks and left hand drives.
Also, the money has to make sense. I definitely think he will undergo the evaluation process and see what the money is like.
Being a 25 ppg scorer next season, which is possible without Luka, may had a significant positive effect on Joe W's money. I do not think he leaves school to go to Europe with a fiancé in Iowa City. It will definitely improve his money if the extra points come from more dunks and left hand drives.
For the record, he was NEVER flirting with leaving after his freshman year. He got the feedback as he's allowed to do, but there was no way he was going to be drafted and he knew that.
This. recovery from a torn meniscus surgery is about 5 months and Jack should be fine by summer. Its not as big a structural issue as an ACL tear. I guess my question is where will he be mentally after all the injuries. Hopefully he see's the chance to really step out of Luka's shadow and be the BIG man next year....
I read this article about him (IC P-C) where he is already ahead of schedule and mentally in a good place.
Jack was not close to starting quality when he was injured. He not only needs a full recovery with no long term erosion of physical assets and then improve basketball skills well beyond where he was when he was injured. Played a few good games and contributed to a few wins but also played some terrible games filled with bad shots and poor ball security.
Your discriminatory nitpicking of Jack’s game gets old. You do this instead of admitting you were wrong before the season in your “scouting report” where you said your rarely wrong and Jack basically had little to offer. (Can pull it up if you want) .........After the Minnesota loss in December you said he should never shoot a 3 pointer the rest of the season. “That dog won’t hunt”. He proceeded to shoot 40% from 3 until his injury. I really got a laugh when after the MSU game where you praised everyone off the bench EXCEPT Jack. After I pointed out what a great game he had your reply was “oh ya Jack played well just hope he doesn’t fall in love with that 3 point shot”. Next game Jack hit FOUR 3 pointers. Nice call. LOL.
Upside is first round if he scores 25 a game next year .
He’s a 2nd rd pick if he leaves this year or next at best. Similar to Tyler cook after his jr year who ended up undraftrd. Difference is cook always had leaving early on his mind and joe being an iowa boy with fiancé maybe reasons to stay along with being the main guy next season. But honestly no one really knows at this point.
A lot of people are selling Iowa's returning backcourt short, especially if Weezy is back. Hawks are really deep on the perimeter. I don't know if Weezy projects to be a first-round pick. If not, I believe there is a very good chance he will return. I'm a lot more worried about center, where we have Nunge returning from another serious injury, and the Big O still trying to get in playing shape.
Dude, I don't know if I should be entertained by you or concerned about you. On one hand, getting so much free rent in your head is like the highest compliment you can pay me. You are thinking about me and I literally could not remember you exist, much less something you posted about sports, unless its directly before me. I have to confess, I very much enjoy having so much power over the mental state of an anonymity. So I'm basically writing you off as some candy ass emo that cannot control his emotional reaction to a difference of opinion over an impersonal matter.
On the other hand, there is a name for people that cannot control their emotional response to impersonal events or inability to force their opinions on others: psychopath.
I don't recall the exact quote but that sounds like something I would say so I'll stipulate to saying it. I was right then and now about Jack Nunge's shooting ability, as a look at Bad Luck Jack's season shooting treys reveals.
12/3 2-4 WIU, weakest team on the schedule.
12/8 0-5. UNC, and one of Jack's overall better games but son, that's an o'fer.
12/11 1-2 Iowa St, the second weakest team on the schedule.
12/13 0-2 NIU, there's another o'fer.
12/19 0-2 Big Bulldogs and another o'fer.
So non conference was 3-15. That's 20% unless the calculator failed me. Almost all of those 80% missed shots came early in the shot clock and almost the second Nunge touched the ball.
Big Ten, hmmmm.
12/22 0-4 Purdue That's twice as many o'fers as games where he made a trey.
12/25 0-1 An o'fer on the Gopher.
12/29 0-0 Wiley
1/2 1-2 Rutgers and back to flirting w/ 20%
1/7 1-2 Maryland, making a strong run at 20%.
First quarter of the conference season shooting 2-9 (22.2%) in the 5 Big Games and 5/24 over all. Those five games, strong improvement. All the way up to 20.8%.
1/10 0-1 Minnesota
1/17 0-0 Wiley
1/21 0-1 Hoosier vermin
1/29 0-2 Illini
2/2 2-2 Sparty The start of Jack's hot streak
During the second five B!G games the Nunge shooting juggernaut was 33%, with the rare 2 makes in 1 game providing all of the makes in this quarter of the conference season-1 game. That 0.0% in the other four games. You see how reliance on a statistical outlier distorts your presentation, and apparently, understanding of reality?
2/4 4-7 tOSU The end of Jack's hot streak. It lasted 2 games 48 hours apart.
2/7 0-2 More vileness from Indiana so Jack probably got fouled on one of these.
2/10 0-2 Rutgers
2/13 1-2 Sparty
2/8 1-1 Bucky
So, that's 6-14 in that five game stretch, 42.8%. Again, there is one upward deviation from the norm of 20%; 75% of the 6 makes came in one game. Back at 26% in the other four games. An even greater reliance on a one game statistical outlier.
2/21 0-1 Pedo St.
2/25 0-1 Michigan 0-1.
Overall, 14-47 for 29.8%. But aggregation doesn't really describe the norm. Just eye balling the numbers, which numeral jumps out? The answer is ZERO. Jacked played in 22 games. While Jack attempted at least one three in 20 games 8 of his 14 makes came in three games, and six over a hot stretch from 2/2-2/4, a two game streak. Jack was 6-34 in the other 19 games, that is 17.6% . Jack missed every three point attempt in 12 of 22 games. Jack made two or more threes in only 3 games. I think your evaluation of Jack's shooting skills might just be inflated.
Jack missed all of his three point attempts in 8 of the 18 games after Minnesota and one game with no attempts. That's ZERO PERCENT in half the games you cited. Made only 1 in 7 of the remaining games. So should we expect what we saw in three games or what we saw in the other 19? Your last comment was especially distorted. Yeah, Jack hit 4-7 the next game, but then 2-9 in the following six games. Not exactly graduate level statistical analysis at work here. Two games in 18, and consecutively only 48 hours apart, or 3 games in 22 are outliers, not statistically meaningless but not necessarily significant either. If you see those 3 outliers as more representative than the other 19 games, if that is truly your understanding of the proper analysis of aggregated data please promise your family you will never get involved in gambling.
Since you're obviously trolling me, why don't you mention all the times I've said Jack was improving? Where I talked about his rebounding and defensive contributions. I've even given Jack credit for becoming less of a hair trigger later in the season. He was improving when injured and I'm pretty sure I've said that or something similar elsewhere. So you not only distorted Jack's numbers by relying on three games out of 22 to create an illusory conclusion about Jack's real shooting skill but you cherry picked my posts to find something about which to become so angry that you got all shitty and personal with me on a day we should all be celebrating.
Your wildly distorted view of reality, distorting both the context of what I have previously said and what Jack did on the court, weighs on the concerning side of laughing at you or finding your obsessive and inappropriate overreaction and personalization a source of concern. I'm guessing you are just another key board King Kong and will go the laughing route.
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1 - No way Weezy averages 25ppg if he comes back. We’re spoiled with Luka this year.
2 - His stock is high right now and will only continue to go up the longer we last in the tourney. Odds are higher that he HURTS his stock if he were to come back next year.
3 - NBA changed their rules regarding two-way contracts. Players can be signed to a two-way and play up to 50 games in the NBA, including playoffs. Opens up huge opportunities to those type of fringe NBA type players (like Joe), who will need a year or two to develop strength/knowledge for the NBA game. For those of you who will say “he can do that at Iowa!” Save it - the resources available to professional athletes far outweighs anything available to a college player and it is not even close.
2 - His stock is high right now and will only continue to go up the longer we last in the tourney. Odds are higher that he HURTS his stock if he were to come back next year.
3 - NBA changed their rules regarding two-way contracts. Players can be signed to a two-way and play up to 50 games in the NBA, including playoffs. Opens up huge opportunities to those type of fringe NBA type players (like Joe), who will need a year or two to develop strength/knowledge for the NBA game. For those of you who will say “he can do that at Iowa!” Save it - the resources available to professional athletes far outweighs anything available to a college player and it is not even close.
Weiskamp is going to take like five dribbles a game in the NBA. He’ll be a pure spot up shooter at that level.
I think Joe will be back, family has no financial worries and he's a good student that had lofty educational goals.
And you call ME the psychopath.LOL I’m not angry, I just thought you were completely out of line when you made light of Jack’s father death and obsessed with knocking Jack’s game. Funny you resort to calling me names. Generally I agree with most of your posts but you were way off on this one and this crazy response illustrates. My “hair trigger”? Come on counselor!
I'll accept your retreat. Where or how did I make light of his father's death? I wouldn't do that to someone I do not know or has never done anything to me, and even then it would have to be a pretty dirty blow to motivate me to use a family member's death for humor. It was a horrible personal tragedy for such a young person. On a personal level, at least as personal as I can get with people I don't know, I have nothing but sympathy for this kid. He really is Bad Luck Jack because he has terrible luck. If I saw him on the floor at Caesar's I'd leave for the Bellagio.
You should usually agree with me, I am almost always right. Its rather more of a curse than one would think.
Think of the shot volume coming Joe's way next year without sharing the ball with Luka and Jordan?
Maybe but he would also get the best defender in his face the whole game.
If what a parent of one the players on the team has said is accurate, he will not be back.
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Yeah, he'd be the main focus of the defense. I just think the opportunities would be so numerous. Like Peter Jok's senior year with Joe W being a better player.
It doesn't matter what we think, it matters what he thinks. And it appears he thinks that the NBA is the bees knees.
