DJ Carton

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

It doesn't matter what we think, it matters what he thinks. And it appears he thinks that the NBA is the bees knees.

It is if you make it. For one, I am not expecting his return. Hopeful but not optimistic.

 

[ChiDoc]

Dude, I don't know if I should be entertained by you or concerned about you. On one hand, getting so much free rent in your head is like the highest compliment you can pay me. You are thinking about me and I literally could not remember you exist, much less something you posted about sports, unless its directly before me. I have to confess, I very much enjoy having so much power over the mental state of an anonymity. So I'm basically writing you off as some candy ass emo that cannot control his emotional reaction to a difference of opinion over an impersonal matter.

On the other hand, there is a name for people that cannot control their emotional response to impersonal events or inability to force their opinions on others: psychopath.

I don't recall the exact quote but that sounds like something I would say so I'll stipulate to saying it. I was right then and now about Jack Nunge's shooting ability, as a look at Bad Luck Jack's season shooting treys reveals.

12/3 2-4 WIU, weakest team on the schedule.
12/8 0-5. UNC, and one of Jack's overall better games but son, that's an o'fer.
12/11 1-2 Iowa St, the second weakest team on the schedule.
12/13 0-2 NIU, there's another o'fer.
12/19 0-2 Big Bulldogs and another o'fer.

So non conference was 3-15. That's 20% unless the calculator failed me. Almost all of those 80% missed shots came early in the shot clock and almost the second Nunge touched the ball.

Big Ten, hmmmm.

12/22 0-4 Purdue That's twice as many o'fers as games where he made a trey.
12/25 0-1 An o'fer on the Gopher.
12/29 0-0 Wiley
1/2 1-2 Rutgers and back to flirting w/ 20%
1/7 1-2 Maryland, making a strong run at 20%.

First quarter of the conference season shooting 2-9 (22.2%) in the 5 Big Games and 5/24 over all. Those five games, strong improvement. All the way up to 20.8%.

1/10 0-1 Minnesota
1/17 0-0 Wiley
1/21 0-1 Hoosier vermin
1/29 0-2 Illini
2/2 2-2 Sparty The start of Jack's hot streak

During the second five B!G games the Nunge shooting juggernaut was 33%, with the rare 2 makes in 1 game providing all of the makes in this quarter of the conference season-1 game. That 0.0% in the other four games. You see how reliance on a statistical outlier distorts your presentation, and apparently, understanding of reality?

2/4 4-7 tOSU The end of Jack's hot streak. It lasted 2 games 48 hours apart.
2/7 0-2 More vileness from Indiana so Jack probably got fouled on one of these.
2/10 0-2 Rutgers
2/13 1-2 Sparty
2/8 1-1 Bucky

So, that's 6-14 in that five game stretch, 42.8%. Again, there is one upward deviation from the norm of 20%; 75% of the 6 makes came in one game. Back at 26% in the other four games. An even greater reliance on a one game statistical outlier.

2/21 0-1 Pedo St.
2/25 0-1 Michigan 0-1.

Overall, 14-47 for 29.8%. But aggregation doesn't really describe the norm. Just eye balling the numbers, which numeral jumps out? The answer is ZERO. Jacked played in 22 games. While Jack attempted at least one three in 20 games 8 of his 14 makes came in three games, and six over a hot stretch from 2/2-2/4, a two game streak. Jack was 6-34 in the other 19 games, that is 17.6% . Jack missed every three point attempt in 12 of 22 games. Jack made two or more threes in only 3 games. I think your evaluation of Jack's shooting skills might just be inflated.

Jack missed all of his three point attempts in 8 of the 18 games after Minnesota and one game with no attempts. That's ZERO PERCENT in half the games you cited. Made only 1 in 7 of the remaining games. So should we expect what we saw in three games or what we saw in the other 19? Your last comment was especially distorted. Yeah, Jack hit 4-7 the next game, but then 2-9 in the following six games. Not exactly graduate level statistical analysis at work here. Two games in 18, and consecutively only 48 hours apart, or 3 games in 22 are outliers, not statistically meaningless but not necessarily significant either. If you see those 3 outliers as more representative than the other 19 games, if that is truly your understanding of the proper analysis of aggregated data please promise your family you will never get involved in gambling.

Since you're obviously trolling me, why don't you mention all the times I've said Jack was improving? Where I talked about his rebounding and defensive contributions. I've even given Jack credit for becoming less of a hair trigger later in the season. He was improving when injured and I'm pretty sure I've said that or something similar elsewhere. So you not only distorted Jack's numbers by relying on three games out of 22 to create an illusory conclusion about Jack's real shooting skill but you cherry picked my posts to find something about which to become so angry that you got all shitty and personal with me on a day we should all be celebrating.

Your wildly distorted view of reality, distorting both the context of what I have previously said and what Jack did on the court, weighs on the concerning side of laughing at you or finding your obsessive and inappropriate overreaction and personalization a source of concern. I'm guessing you are just another key board King Kong and will go the laughing route.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

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Pretty crazy rant wasn’t it? Think I hit a nerve?

 

[Mohawkeye]

Jack was not close to starting quality when he was injured. He not only needs a full recovery with no long term erosion of physical assets and then improve basketball skills well beyond where he was when he was injured. Played a few good games and contributed to a few wins but also played some terrible games filled with bad shots and poor ball security.

I couldn’t disagree more. He was fabulous in limited minutes, especially on defense and rebounding. He twice led us in scoring in big games. Did he have a little rust? Of course. Him playing the starter from the get-go next year wont make us forget Garza, but will make us feel pretty damn lucky to have two really good centers in succession.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

I couldn’t disagree more. He was fabulous in limited minutes, especially on defense and rebounding. He twice led us in scoring in big games. Did he have a little rust? Of course. Him playing the starter from the get-go next year wont make us forget Garza, but will make us feel pretty damn lucky to have two really good centers in succession.

Well, you can disagree. I'm no leftie, don't ban speech.

Jack was improving. Like I said, he made some good contributions on defense and rebounding and his trend line was erratic but trending upward. He's been a poor shooter, really from any range. Take away just three games and his three point shooting is 17%, that is terrible. Overall only 44.5%, not very good for a guy 6'11", but then Jack doesn't play 6'11" on offense.

But thanks for disagreeing politely. Some of the other boys should learn this lesson.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Pretty crazy rant wasn’t it? Think I hit a nerve?

The courtesy nerve. I do not like being insulted, attacked, admonished or instructed about some impersonal, because the players aren't really participants in our real lives, matter. You can disagree but there is no need to get insulting or personal, especially when you have to distort what I was saying and then apply statistics in very misleading way.

Indeed, I don't get riled up about the distorting what I said or distorting the statistical conclusions about Jack Nunge's shooting. After all this is a guy that played 22 games and shot 17.6% in 19 of them. Jack is the blind squirrel who eventually finds a nut. If you think those three games should be the basis for evaluating Jack's 3 point shooting, and not the 19 others, you're the nut the blind squirrel found. No coach, scout, writer or gambler-the people whose real lives are affected by college basketball games, would consider the 2-4/ 2-3/ 4/7 games as an accurate representation of Jack's 3 point shooting. Jack's rebounding and defensive skills are definitely more advanced than his offense.

What we should be worried about is what kind of player returns. Is he Cordell Pemsyl, robbed of all quickness by the grinding injuries. Or, is he Jarryd Cole, although hurt by injuries still had some bounce in his step and jump senior year. Two knee surgeries in consecutive seasons is no trivial matter. There are a myriad of physical and psychological problems that come with that kind of surgery-twice.

On a unifying note, barring an outstanding center transfer Iowa is in big trouble if we cannot get several minutes of above average to good play from Jack Nunge.

 

[Mohawkeye]

After watching Oregon today,

Well, you can disagree. I'm no leftie, don't ban speech.

Jack was improving. Like I said, he made some good contributions on defense and rebounding and his trend line was erratic but trending upward. He's been a poor shooter, really from any range. Take away just three games and his three point shooting is 17%, that is terrible. Overall only 44.5%, not very good for a guy 6'11", but then Jack doesn't play 6'11" on offense.

But thanks for disagreeing politely. Some of the other boys should learn this lesson.

I’m a leftie and I’ve never met a leftie that wanted to ban speech, only Crazies on the right who complain they are being canceled because no one wants to listen to them.

Watching Oregon today makes me think we’re better off with another 6’6”-6’8” guy who can shoot and defend instead of a 7 footer that can’t move. Positionless athletic basketball is where it’s at. Not that I wouldn’t take another Garza if available.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

After watching Oregon today,

I’m a leftie and I’ve never met a leftie that wanted to ban speech, only Crazies on the right who complain they are being canceled because no one wants to listen to them.

Watching Oregon today makes me think we’re better off with another 6’6”-6’8” guy who can shoot and defend instead of a 7 footer that can’t move. Positionless athletic basketball is where it’s at. Not that I wouldn’t take another Garza if available.

Ask Dr. Suess.

The idea of a mid sized guy that can run and shoot is very appealing until you compare it to our league, where size still very much matters. Its a conundrum because the B!G crashed and burned in this NCAA at the hands of some pretty small quick good shooting teams.

We could use Patrick at the 5 if we are looking to create a net positive mismatch. Simply try to run the other team's big men off the court. Some leather would be eaten on dunks and blocks so that is a pretty risky game plan, but potentially successful.

 

[K OKeefe]

Joe Wieskamp has made no secret that his ultimate goal is the NBA and has flirted heavily with the idea of bolting twice already. He all but stated that he came back last year just because of the pandemic. Iowa - like it or not - will be in a rebuilding year next year, and this month represents the highest high that he could possibly reach in an Iowa uniform.

These factors, coupled not insignificantly with the fact that virtually every rumor out of camp carver has him gone, amounts to the proverbial Writing On The Wall.

Like it or not, Joe Wieskamp won't be a Hawk next year.

I believe the NBA will decide this. He might make a D League roster next year.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Ask Dr. Suess.

The idea of a mid sized guy that can run and shoot is very appealing until you compare it to our league, where size still very much matters. Its a conundrum because the B!G crashed and burned in this NCAA at the hands of some pretty small quick good shooting teams.

We could use Patrick at the 5 if we are looking to create a net positive mismatch. Simply try to run the other team's big men off the court. Some leather would be eaten on dunks and blocks so that is a pretty risky game plan, but potentially successful.

I like the way you think. Would be a lot of fun to watch Patrick and the Murray boys run up and down the court. Patrick runs like a gazelle and him and Toussaint have great chemistry. We almost have to sacrifice the Big in order to do well in the NCAAs. Wisconsin has done the opposite for many years.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

I like the way you think. Would be a lot of fun to watch Patrick and the Murray boys run up and down the court. Patrick runs like a gazelle and him and Toussaint have great chemistry. We almost have to sacrifice the Big in order to do well in the NCAAs. Wisconsin has done the opposite for many years.

I like fast ball and I cannot lie. But l like it better when there is a seven foot rim defender at the back of the defense. Joey T in the middle with Patrick on one side and Keegan on the other is a poster in the making.

 

[HawkLogic]

Ask Dr. Suess.

The idea of a mid sized guy that can run and shoot is very appealing until you compare it to our league, where size still very much matters. Its a conundrum because the B!G crashed and burned in this NCAA at the hands of some pretty small quick good shooting teams.

We could use Patrick at the 5 if we are looking to create a net positive mismatch. Simply try to run the other team's big men off the court. Some leather would be eaten on dunks and blocks so that is a pretty risky game plan, but potentially successful.

I don't think PMAC has a back to basket game and he didn't really look like he wanted to mix it up inside in the limited post defense he has played with Nunge out. He's got enough weight, needs to be tougher on post defense. On offense his game seems to be dribble drive facing the basket and 3pt shots.

Oregon just stomped Iowa's butt without a true big and giving up 30+ points to Garza. I was really impressed with Oregon's ability to run Fredrick and Weezy off the 3pt line. JBO getting shut down was no surprise. CMAC is already not a shooter.

Oregon didn't have a true center, but the did have a 6'6 guy that was crafty around the basket with his back to basket, so they could post him up and he could finish in traffic despite being small.

I think Iowa needs to find somebody they can put into low post at times and generate some low post offense next year. It won't be any where near the focus like Garza was this year. . Nunge isn't a low post guy because he doesn't catch the ball well and he is kind of spazzy in low post, really throwing up some bricks. Nunge also is injury prone..I guess we will have to do part time small ball next year. Kris is a guy that i think should have played some this year..next year he will play. Between Kris, Keegan, and PMAC we can play two of those guys and have two bigs. Fredrick is a lock to start if he can stay healthy. JoeT/Ulis at PG. Perkins at wing with Sandfort also in mix.

I think that is probably a middle of the pack B1G team, but at least they will play some defense and be able to stay in some games they aren't shooting as well.

 

[trohrbeck]

Carton is turning pro and hiring an agent per a release from Marquette. Can’t help but think this kid has gotten some poor advice. Tom, any insight here?

 

[Moral]

Carton is turning pro and hiring an agent per a release from Marquette. Can’t help but think this kid has gotten some poor advice. Tom, any insight here?

I would put money on that advice coming from an uncle.