With our best lineup, with our guys healthy (Teske at 133-no shot at RBY but can provide points), do we have a realistic shot at winning a B1G champ & natty against Penn State? I can see us having an advantage at 125, 141, 149, 157 (toss up-Cobe vs Barraclough), 165, 197 (toss up-Warner vs Dean), 285 (toss up-Big Cass vs Kerk). PSU clearly has an advantage at 133, 174, 184. Thoughts?
Do we have a shot at Penn State?
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Rby look a little banged up vs Oregon state. Still doing rby type stuff but gave up some unusual points.
I personally grew up around Iowa wrestling with Dan Gable. My father coached at Iowa with Hayden Fry & Coach Snyder in the 80's winning two B1G's & turning around a program that hadn't been to a bowl game since 1958 & hadn't posted a winning season for 17 consecutive years prior. Coach Snyder & my father coached together for 20+ years at KSU. Orchestrated the greatest turnaround in college football history @ KSU. I played football for KSU. I can't be both an Iowa wrestling diehard fan & Kansas State football alum? My fam & I bleed both Black & Gold & Purple my friend.
Right now I think we’ll be lucky to leave nationals with a trophy; we’re not touching Penn St.
Our basketball squad has arguably a better chance of winning the national title than our wrestling team.
Nobody is touching PSU. It won’t be close, either
Nobody is touching PSU. It won’t be close, either
Yes, very much so. I have this an 18-18 dual with how thing a stand now.
Assuming both teams are healthy, no, not a chance.
But if any if any their champs goes out with an injury it'll level the playing field right quick.
Crazier things have happened. After all, we were banged up/ down 4 legit finalist/ title contenders last year: Lee, Eierman, Kemerer and Cass. (could probably drop Marinelli into this group as well/
If they lost Cstar and Brooks they'd have problems making up those 40+ points, but if there ever was a team to do it, it would be those turds.
But if any if any their champs goes out with an injury it'll level the playing field right quick.
Crazier things have happened. After all, we were banged up/ down 4 legit finalist/ title contenders last year: Lee, Eierman, Kemerer and Cass. (could probably drop Marinelli into this group as well/
If they lost Cstar and Brooks they'd have problems making up those 40+ points, but if there ever was a team to do it, it would be those turds.
125 - Lee tech - 5-0
133 - RBY dec 5-3
141 - woods dec 8-3
149 - max dec - 11-3(this one is questionable)
157 - seibreit(spelling) dec 14-3
165 - kennedy dec 17-3
174 - starocci major - 17-7
184 - Penn state dec 17-10
197 - dean dec 17-13
285 - Penn state dec 17-16
Teske can keep it close
Max has to win
Kennedy has the last win
Gave them the coin flip at 97 and heavy
Dual meet wise our best team CAN win. WHY NOT? This is with them winning the last 2 matches
133 - RBY dec 5-3
141 - woods dec 8-3
149 - max dec - 11-3(this one is questionable)
157 - seibreit(spelling) dec 14-3
165 - kennedy dec 17-3
174 - starocci major - 17-7
184 - Penn state dec 17-10
197 - dean dec 17-13
285 - Penn state dec 17-16
Teske can keep it close
Max has to win
Kennedy has the last win
Gave them the coin flip at 97 and heavy
Dual meet wise our best team CAN win. WHY NOT? This is with them winning the last 2 matches
Not the way we're wrestling right now. If we go into NCAAs the way we're currently wrestling I would only truly bet the bank on 3 guys making it to the quarters, Spencer, Woods and Cass. I might also add PK to the list as I just don't see him taking a bad beat and I think he''ll be top 8 going into NCAAs. As for the rest of our team, they just don't score enough to get out of their own way. And if you go into the 3rd in a 1- to 2-point match anything is possible as we've seen far too often...it even happens at PSU (see Max Dean).
In reading some of my posts it seems like I'm really down on our team, but I'm not. I'm so envious of these guys being able to wrestle on the big stage and even more envious of the skills and the gas tank they possess. The only thing that gets to me is that we have such incredible studs on our team yet many of them don't let it fly; they don't show their skills to the guys they're wrestling. Instead they let their opponents hang around and then lose to them over some silly trip or a half-assed TD by the other guy. For one dual I'd just love to see every one of our guys unleash it all and see what happens. It's like they don't realize how f'ing good they really are!!
In a dual it could happen but don't like our chances in a tournament. While he didn't score a ton today from an eye test standpoint their 49 pounder Van Ness looks like problems..
Nobody gives a sh*t about duals, it's national championship performance and individual titles that matter. Basically bringing home hardware is what matters.
Penn State would have to encounter a season of unprecedented injuries like Iowa did last year for us to win it.
I'd give us 1 chance in 3 of winning if the team is healthy for Nats. That assumes they are too 100% healthy with their Big 5.
How you say?
Lee and Woods need to win with solid bonus. Warner needs to place high and above Dean. Cass needs to be above Kerk. Need mid level AA's at 149, 165, 184. Need a couple AA's at 133, 157 and 174. Need bonus in early rounds from all and in wrestle backs.
tell that to 15,000 every home dual
The match ups for a dual aren't bad, but there will be next to no chance at ncaas.
For dual:
125: Lee by tech or pin
133: rby by decision at least
141: woods by decision
149: I think murin is slightly favored but by Dec at most. Could be a potential swing match..
157: favors siebricht
165: toss up
174: starocci
184: brooks
197: swing match, favors Dean slightly
285: swing match, favors kirk slightly I think (based on all star results)
Will be a fun dual
For dual:
125: Lee by tech or pin
133: rby by decision at least
141: woods by decision
149: I think murin is slightly favored but by Dec at most. Could be a potential swing match..
157: favors siebricht
165: toss up
174: starocci
184: brooks
197: swing match, favors Dean slightly
285: swing match, favors kirk slightly I think (based on all star results)
Will be a fun dual
Just not true at all. Catching PSU is unlikely, but there really isn’t another team within shouting distance of Iowa in a tournament format. ASU had the best shot, but without Teemer it isn’t happening. tOSU hasn’t looked great and neither has Missouri.
Iowa is the clear #2 and it really isn’t even close right now. But, that does say just how far ahead PSU is overall…
I can see the Lee, Woods, Warner and Cass stuff, but I can't see Murin and Assad being mid-level AAs based on their history, or more than 1 AA out of 133, 157 and 174 (and I'd think we are more likely to have 0 AAs than 1 in this group). I like the optimism though.
I think you’re pretty much spot on IMHO. But like you, I like the optimism.
No chance at beating psu at ncaa's and could see Iowa getting anywhere from a distant second to 5th.
Lee- finalist, likely champ.
Teske- at best rd. of 12
Woods- 1st thru 4th
Murin- likely Rd of 12 again
Cobe- at best Rd. of 12
Kennedy- 5th to Rd of 12
Brands- Rd of 12 at best
Assad- Rd of 12 at best
Warner- 3rd.thru 6th
Cassioppi- 3rd thru 6th
That's only 4 AA that I would feel good about banking on at this point and two finalist. Would need to see a lot of improvement between now and March to feel like a trophy was a lock. Can definitely happen but recent years haven't seen the hawks show up at the ncaa's as a team significantly improved, focused and healthy.
Lee- finalist, likely champ.
Teske- at best rd. of 12
Woods- 1st thru 4th
Murin- likely Rd of 12 again
Cobe- at best Rd. of 12
Kennedy- 5th to Rd of 12
Brands- Rd of 12 at best
Assad- Rd of 12 at best
Warner- 3rd.thru 6th
Cassioppi- 3rd thru 6th
That's only 4 AA that I would feel good about banking on at this point and two finalist. Would need to see a lot of improvement between now and March to feel like a trophy was a lock. Can definitely happen but recent years haven't seen the hawks show up at the ncaa's as a team significantly improved, focused and healthy.
Unfortunately and until proven otherwise, this has been the expectations come March.
I think we’d have a chance in a dual, kind of like ISU had with us a week ago. But in ncaa’s it just seems like their studs(1 or 2 seeded guys) going back since Cael got there always perform. Whether that be bonusing guys like a Bo Nickal or winning differently like a Carter Starocci. They seem to always have a game plan that each guy sticks to when the lights are on, like how RBY would wrestle Desanto.
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Hard to argue. It’s Penn State and everybody else. The only real highlight for Oregon State was a surprising early takedown of RBY. RBY made him pay dearly.
In a dual I see it like this:
Spencer tech 5 - 0
RBY major 5 - 4
Woods 8 -4
Murin 11 - 4
Siebrecht 14 - 4
Kennedy 17 - 4
CStar major 17 - 8
Brooks 17 - 11
Dean 17 - 14
Kirkvliet 17 - 17
Going to be next to impossible to compete at ncaa’s against them tho. RBY, CStar, Brooks, and to a lesser extent Dean as a defending champ and Kirkvliet as a seemingly improved one seed, are some heavy hitters. 149, 157 are iowa lean toss ups. 197 and Hwt are Penn state lean toss ups. 165 is a 50/50 toss up that Iowa probably has to have.
Spencer tech 5 - 0
RBY major 5 - 4
Woods 8 -4
Murin 11 - 4
Siebrecht 14 - 4
Kennedy 17 - 4
CStar major 17 - 8
Brooks 17 - 11
Dean 17 - 14
Kirkvliet 17 - 17
Going to be next to impossible to compete at ncaa’s against them tho. RBY, CStar, Brooks, and to a lesser extent Dean as a defending champ and Kirkvliet as a seemingly improved one seed, are some heavy hitters. 149, 157 are iowa lean toss ups. 197 and Hwt are Penn state lean toss ups. 165 is a 50/50 toss up that Iowa probably has to have.
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Iowa State has Oregon State coming up. Penn State beat Oregon State 31-3. We beat Iowa State 18-15. It'll give me an idea of how we might do against Penn State. The line-ups might change though who knows.
Tom Brands and a gassed Spencer Lee would clearly argue otherwise.
I do believe that the PSU/Iowa dual will be closer than many think.
It looks like there are weight classes up in the air from 149-165, depending on those it'll be close to PSU winning relatively easily. I have no idea how those weight for PSU will match up against their Iowa counterparts.
I would say this is low expectations no??? "At best" for Teske, Cobe, brands, and Assad? Warner 3rd-6th after being a Finalist? Murin and Big Cass also on low end. I would have it 6-rd 12 for murine and Cass 1-4!
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