If I ask a doctor to amputate my foot because I feel like it?
Yes. The doctor should also be able to refuse that service at their discretion.
Do you care about the abortion issue?
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If I ask a doctor to amputate my foot because I feel like it?
Yes. The doctor should also be able to refuse that service at their discretion.
Let's not split hairs around semantics, please. You're technically right, of course, but babies can breathe on their own and make noise to let their caregivers know they need something.
FYI: I am very much pro-life; however, in recent years, I've listened to opposing views and understand that not everyone believes as I do. I think Pro-Lifers would have a greater success rate at reduction rather than eradication. It's touted as a black and white situation by both sides and it really isn't. It's a very sensitive and personal topic that requires care and forethought, but rather we see nothing but anger and vitriol; after all, we're discussing human life.
I also agree with Tenacious E...I am in support of the death penalty conceptually, but not under current implantation. Insert his post as my response.
that is not splitting hairs that is observing that infants/fetuses are entirely dependent on others to live and are not self-sustaining life forms.
I would agree with you in a lot of ways, that more needs to be done in this country so women don't feel pushed towards abortion. And that would include things like universal health care.
Where we disagree is that I believe abortion should be just flat out illegal in all cases save for when necessary to save the life of the mother.
All of the support in the world is not going to prevent people from aborting children just because they don't feel like having a child and it's not going to prevent children from being viewed as a commodity rather than as human beings.
I hear you...my heart agrees with you, but I struggle with regulating my beliefs on others...I'm probably more torn on this topic than any other, but it's the one I'm most willing to listen to both sides.
I agree there's much that can be done in the middle while the debate rages on.
As noted earlier in this thread (or maybe it was another abortion thread) as a "middle ground" I think one could be mostly pro-life but could live with the morning after pill, whereby a fertilized egg is not permitted to implant. It is akin to not providing a "lifeline" in the form of resuscitation if there is a DNR order. But I still recognize it is not an entirely consistent position.
I don't when it's human lives involved. And I don't believe them to just be my beliefs. Again the vast majority of biologists viewed a fetus as an individual human life. Even the pro-choice ones. Apparently in their minds some human lives arn't worth protecting.
I think you could create a biologically consistent position that starts not at conception but at brainwaves.
The brain develops over our lifetimes. So my biological positions is that brainwaves mark the beginning of life, even if the brain is very small and not very developed.
The added point is that brain death defines how we view the end of life. Seems to me that we could define the beginning of life that way too.
Reading a board of mostly white dudes sharing their opinions on abortion is almost as enlightening as all the race threads in a 90 pct white state. Just fascinating insight, fellas. Dmitri Bonney proving he's human shit as always.....can't knock the consistency at least
An infant is self-sustaining, although dependent on a parent for nourishment, shelter, etc.
The infant is no longer connected to its mother, therefore self-sustaining. Simple enough.
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self-sus·tain·ing | \ ˌself-sə-ˈstā-niŋ \
Definition of self-sustaining
1: maintaining or able to maintain oneself or itself by independent efforta self-sustaining community
2: maintaining or able to maintain itself once commenceda self-sustaining nuclear reaction
Synonyms & Antonyms for self-sustaining
Synonyms
- independent,
- self-dependent,
- self-reliant,
- self-subsistent,
- self-subsisting,
- self-sufficient,
- self-supported,
- self-supporting,
- self-sustained
self-sus·tain·ing
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adjective: self-sustaining
- able to continue in a healthy state without outside assistance.
"his puny farms were years from being self-sustaining"
Not sure how a discussion on life should be limited to race or gender. Isn't the discussion simply is a fetus a life or isn't it and should it be taken prematurely if it is, in fact, a life. Not sure how gender/race would affect one's ability to determine the existence of life.
But please tell us how this thread would be different if it were all black men...or maybe Jewish women.
On my political short list, abortion is down at the bottom of the page. I'm not overly concerned about that right changing, it's the law of the land and the SC has confirmed that fundamental right many times over, it's highly unlikely that will change ever.
In a perfect world, an abortion would never occur. If for some reason this right were to be taken away or threatened, it would quickly skyrocket up my political list.
In a perfect world, an abortion would never occur. If for some reason this right were to be taken away or threatened, it would quickly skyrocket up my political list.
I'm comfortable with my position on abortion.
And God aborts more himself, naturally, than man could ever do.
Silly God.
So you don’t believe in the magical vagina that turns a “bunch of cells” into life in seconds?
Yeah. An embryo doesn't implant in, and a fetus does not grow in, the vagina.
So the magical vagina turns a disposable fetus into life in a matter of seconds.
Got it.
Stupid statement. Lumping all Republicans into one. You cannot be this stupid can you?
I care.
I think abortion should be legal and scientific evidence should be used to determine when a fetus becomes a viable life in the womb. We already have defined life surrounding end of life decisions. We can do the same type of thing for abortion. Brain activity seems to be the best way to do that rather than simply a heartbeat.
After brain activity is defined and detected it is no longer a woman's right to choose.
I think abortion should be legal and scientific evidence should be used to determine when a fetus becomes a viable life in the womb. We already have defined life surrounding end of life decisions. We can do the same type of thing for abortion. Brain activity seems to be the best way to do that rather than simply a heartbeat.
After brain activity is defined and detected it is no longer a woman's right to choose.
Nobody is questioning whether human fetal cells are, um, human.
Why do pro lifers think this argument convinces anyone that abortion is wrong?
So after 5 weeks. I could get behind this but I still come back to the issue of caring for unwanted babies. Pro lifers seem only concerned about the birth and not about the child. That's f'd up thinking in my mind.
I also believe abortion should always be legal when the mother's life is in danger or in the case of rape/incest.
Yep
And any public monies spend on "sinful" birth control, which could dramatically eliminate the need for abortions are "bad", too.
It's a completely dyslexic stance. And until they alter their position, I'm all for as many abortions as it takes.
And for a “a-spiritual @ or non-spiritual...who the phuque are you to tell them how to live their life? Don’t you get it? Keep your nose outta others business, unless asked.
