Do you know anyone under the age of 60 who's died from COVID?
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LOL, funny how you don't want to talk about how many people actually died and you point to statistics that show how poorly we've contained this compared to other countries as something that's good. Stop watching Fox News, dude, it's melting your brain.
Well with such solid reasoning as this, who am I to argue? If you want to debate, debate. Get this junior high crap out of here. Pathetic response dude.
WTF are you talking about? If you disagree, show me where I am wrong. But since you just seem to want to attack me, that means you are either incapable of debating your point, or you know you are on the wrong side of this issue. But since you can't stop cheering for your team you resort to this sorry ass response.
LOL Every country has dealt with the virus differently, so who is to say who did it right? You? The countries that didn't lock down and didn't ruin their economies like Sweden are much further along then us. You know, to each his own, I'm 56, diabetic and I see things in black and white. If you want to stay home, great, that's your call if you feel that is the best for you, but the majority of Americans think staying home for less then a 1% chance of death is not worth it. It's less then that if you figure that 85% of those 1% were over age 75. I know I know, I'm not the most compasionate person, I guess being X military and X department of corrections will do that.
Sweden has a far lower population density and a far superior health care system so their overall health of their population is far superior to ours. Using Sweden probably isn't the best example because it highlights how awful we take care of our population.
Im going to guess you are an All Lives Matter guy, but really they don't
My son's friend in Denver died. He was 30. Went to AZ, and got infected there. Came home, got sick, went to hospital and never came out. Died after 2 weeks.
You fools in small town Iowa - alternating between Covid is not a big deal (it's a hoax - # of deaths are lies)....to OK, it's a big deal but (to use your dear leader's words) 'It is what it is'. You've been lucky so far because no one visits or leaves your small town, but you can keep your fingers in your ears for only so long.
I have a friend who's been a big denier / mask non-wearer....his 40-yr old brother in Oklahoma just went into the hospital with pneumonia.
I have a friend who's been a big denier / mask non-wearer....his 40-yr old brother in Oklahoma just went into the hospital with pneumonia.
It is “okay” in the sense that nature kills a lot of people, and we all go in the end. It’s still sad, of course. But the death of a ninety year old with Alzheimer’s is not tragic. Certainly not the same as a thirty year old parent with young kids.
What is tragic is when we accidentally kill people while trying to save lives from nature. If we eventually start giving a vaccine with a .015% mortality rate, then discover the mortality rate of Covid for people under 65 is about .01%, the people we kill will constitute a tragedy. As will the deaths of people who commit suicide due to depression, isolation, and poverty we are inflicting on them.
Am I okay with the virus killing a bunch of elderly people? I’m reminded of Stanley when Michael Scott asks if he’s okay with dying because he’s overweight.
“I’m okay with the logic of it.”
Meh. I’m skeptical of anecdotes. The statistics speak for themselves, even if half the HROT stories involve young, healthy people.
Nice hypothetical post. Here is another hypothetical for you. I think suicides are down because people are forced to focus on family and well being at a time like this. How many people do you know that have committed suicide because of the pandemic? I know more that did before it than in the last 6 months. I know no one that has in the past 6 months. I know people with depression that are actually doing better.
You confident that our shutdowns and closures aren’t killing anyone, short term or long term?
Given that I’ve never said anything like that, I will assume you are just stupid and that’s why you aren’t able to grasp the point.
How many people do you know that have committed suicide because of the pandemic?
here comes the "did they have underlying conditions?" I will help with that answer with another question. Does it matter if they did? Honestly does it matter if people dying had underlying conditions? If it is to justify it with that they would have died anyway that is crap. Not all underlying conditions means people are going to die in the next 6 months.
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48 year old friend died this morning. Zero known prior health issues. Feel for his wife and kids.
.01?? You may want to look at some actual statistics. Death rates for young people are not super high but they are still higher than any virus we are used to by far.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/virus-young-deaths.html
This link estimates a .09% case mortality rate which is. . . 9 times higher than what you are saying and still again way higher than any virus that spreads this easily that we are used to dealing with.
Granted these numbers are a bit dated.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-us-compared-to-flu-by-age-2020-6
Underlying condition responses can kiss my a**. I dare anyone of them to go tell the spouse of the 47 year old who passed that it was because of underlying conditions. She was a marathon runner and always in shape. Plus they would probably get their a** whooped as the spouse is a former SEAL.
Yesterday in Johnson County (Iowa City), 151 people were tested because apparently they were sick and thought they might have it.
1 positive out of the 151 tests. 0.7%.
https://coronavirus.iowa.gov/pages/case-counts
1 positive out of the 151 tests. 0.7%.
https://coronavirus.iowa.gov/pages/case-counts
That's some interesting spin. Sounds like something conservative media would push.
This is completely wrong. There are more excess deaths than the number of Covid deaths which leads one to believe the C19 deaths are under counted. And this is during a time when the economy has been slowed/shut. There are far fewer deaths from automobile accidents. There are far fewer from the flu. Etc.
Car accidents kill around 35,000 a year. Covid has killed more than 4 times that in about half a year.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/traffic-deaths-2018
what are you using to see that Suicides are up. All I see is that they were up prior to the pandemic. Not actual data.
Could be true nationally. I don’t know. Locally in KC it was just reported vehicle fatalities are up more than 30% this year which was very odd with the reduced traffic for a few months. They didn’t have all the data yet, but the theory was an increase in drunk driving.
.01?? You may want to look at some actual statistics. Death rates for young people are not super high but they are still higher than any virus we are used to by far.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/virus-young-deaths.html
This link estimates a .09% case mortality rate which is. . . 9 times higher than what you are saying and still again way higher than any virus that spreads this easily that we are used to dealing with.
Granted these numbers are a bit dated.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-us-compared-to-flu-by-age-2020-6
It’s going to take a long time to figure out the true mortality rate - we have very little idea how many people have actually been infected. The case mortality rate was, what, nearly 10% in April; while it’s about 1.5% today. I’m sure it’s going to be higher than .01%; I was just demonstrating that not every measure to cut down on Covid deaths is a slam dunk decision.
Do you have a link to those statistics. I'm having trouble finding up to date data.
I would assume vehicle deaths are down. Suicides I doubt we have data on at this point. I would, however, be very surprised if suicides aren’t up for the next couple of decades. I would expect crime and drug overdoses to be up for several years.
It will be a long, long time before we have a firm handle on the full ramifications.
