Or do you see him strictly as a 3 playing behind Uthoff? Will they ever be on the floor at the same time?
Do you see Uhl playing any 4 next year?
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More three, some four, and I see him and Uthoff being on the court together quite a bit.
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Uhl, Jones, Uthoff, and Wagner will all share time between the 3, 4, and 5 positions most likely, with the exception that Wagner will likely stay at 4 and 5.
For the OP's question, yes,I can see Uhl as a 4, just like White has done. He has a similar skill set, just not as developed, but IMHO with as much or more potential. I could also see Hutton playing the 3-4 spots where needed as he, Jones and Wagner appear to be the strongest of the new recruits.
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There is no longer such a thing as a definable species called a four, or a power forward, except when digging in the dirt and there alongside stone tools and Neanderthal bones we find Karl Malone and other power forwards.
Today, anybody could be a four.
Today, anybody could be a four.
I thought he played ok - not nervous as a freshman. But everyone thinks he is a good shooter, but he was .185 from 3 and inside the arc around 46-48. He rebounded at about 7.5 per 40 min. game, which for a skinny freshman isn't too bad, I guess.
So why do so many think he is going to be great this year? (not trying to stir things up - just curious)
So why do so many think he is going to be great this year? (not trying to stir things up - just curious)
You make a good point- I didn't think Uhl lit any fires last season either even though he seems to have talent. I think he will have plenty of competition for playing time if we sign Jones as expected. Uhl unless he puts on some muscle seems more like the small forward/wing type where we have a good number of bodies already. If those freshmen impress things will get interesting.
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I thought he played ok - not nervous as a freshman. But everyone thinks he is a good shooter, but he was .185 from 3 and inside the arc around 46-48. He rebounded at about 7.5 per 40 min. game, which for a skinny freshman isn't too bad, I guess.
So why do so many think he is going to be great this year? (not trying to stir things up - just curious)
This of course is just my perspective. As far as I'm concerned Dom is more like just another of our newbies than he is a returning veteran. He only played 10 mpg and as far as I know never had a set run through him. I hesitate to look at his stats at all when some of them were playing with the walkons at the end of blowouts.
If I sound like I'm trying to be negative, I'm not. The only negative is he hasn't been a major part of the lineup. It's hard to make anything of his shooting percentage when he took only 72 shots all year.
The positives are that for a 6'9" 190lb kid (who may be a little bigger by now) he has great handles, very good speed, quick hops, good hands, and plays decent defense. He's a natural at offensive rebounding. And again, that just comes from my evaluation, just my opinion.
I do think he could be very good this year. And I suspect by the time he is a senior we'll have posters lamenting that he never got the redshirt year he could have used early on. But then we'll forget by then that in 2014/15 we had posters saying we should bench Oglesby and play more Uhl.
McCaffery doesn't make a big 3/4 distinction. He likes to play traditional multi dimensional forwards.
Agree Dan that Uhl is like a newbie. Disagree that he showed good hands-seemed to lose the ball quite a bit, although offset by getting it back most of the time so I can see more experience and security improving his ball security. Showed few shooting skills (percentages were awful) but a decent looking form so maybe fewer nerves and more assured playing time will result in better shooting.
Uhl's most significant contribution next year might be just keeping the other team's bigger forwards off their offensive glass. Man do we have a lot of question marks next season.
Agree Dan that Uhl is like a newbie. Disagree that he showed good hands-seemed to lose the ball quite a bit, although offset by getting it back most of the time so I can see more experience and security improving his ball security. Showed few shooting skills (percentages were awful) but a decent looking form so maybe fewer nerves and more assured playing time will result in better shooting.
Uhl's most significant contribution next year might be just keeping the other team's bigger forwards off their offensive glass. Man do we have a lot of question marks next season.
I know it seems academic but I think Fran distinguishes among his front line players between post players and wings. Uhl seems like the natural choice for playing time at forward behind Uthoff given his year of experience but he will have to fend off some talented players to earn the playing time available. I too see Uhl as a bit of a question mark next season.
Different state of mind I think gives Uhl the opportunity for a much improved second season. This past year, his clear role was to give White a breather and not screw up and that's how he played. When he's given more freedom and plays with some aggressiveness, I think we'll see a different player next year. That drive and reverse layup against Ohio St.(?) was a glimpse of his athletic ability.
It would be great if one guy like Wagner will just focus on Rebounding and defense.
We need to replace that from Whitey.
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StormHawk42 posted on 4/16/2015...
Uhl, Jones, Uthoff, and Wagner will all share time between the 3, 4, and 5 positions most likely, with the exception that Wagner will likely stay at 4 and 5.
I think Baer will also be given a chance to see what he can do.
Uhl, Jones, Uthoff, and Wagner will all share time between the 3, 4, and 5 positions most likely, with the exception that Wagner will likely stay at 4 and 5.
I think Baer will also be given a chance to see what he can do.
To answer the OP's question, Uhl plays a lot of the 4 position next season, probably starts. My hope is that he doesn't have to play the 5 spot. He's a natural 3/4, don't like him getting man handled at the 5.
I agree it doesn't matter 3 or 4. Whitey played 4 and could have had as many 3pt shots as he wanted. It is not like our 4 is locked down in the post.
I think the real question is who defends the 5 when Woody is in foul trouble, which would be most games I expect.
Seems like Wagner might be only guy with beef. Uthoff might have to defend post in pinch.
Assuming Dale Jones comes in, seems like our 3/4 depth is pretty good and only issue is we will have to go small in post.
I think the real question is who defends the 5 when Woody is in foul trouble, which would be most games I expect.
Seems like Wagner might be only guy with beef. Uthoff might have to defend post in pinch.
Assuming Dale Jones comes in, seems like our 3/4 depth is pretty good and only issue is we will have to go small in post.
I hope Uhl does develop. I like his size. He is a legit 6'8". He fits the McCaffery model of forward insofar as what he was trying to do last year: some shooting, some driving, rebound, guard around the floor, especially wing areas of the zones. You have to like his activity and effort because he played hard, if not always smart (freshmanitis).
Uhl does have a leg up on the incoming freshmen but maybe lacks the talent for the head start to be of lengthy or significant benefit over any thing more than a very short term. One of, if not the most important, unknowns going into 2015-16.
Uhl does have a leg up on the incoming freshmen but maybe lacks the talent for the head start to be of lengthy or significant benefit over any thing more than a very short term. One of, if not the most important, unknowns going into 2015-16.
we have 4 starters returning & Clemmons ... the next 8 are all talented players.....how it all washes out is anyone's guess....and guess it is.
The good thing is that Jok is just a sophomore and Uhl is just a freshman. Both WILL get better. Jok was substantially better as a sophomore, rising to be a starter, playing much improved defense and leading the team in scoring at times. Uhl showed flashes as a freshman and never looked like he didn't belong, never looked rattled.
Right. If you are tall and big and strong I guess you are a Power Forward. If yu are skinny and tall then you must be a "Stretch Four". Actually it's kind of funny. There seem to be very few Power guys anymore and if you find one, alot of time they have them play the five. Spreading the court seems to be all the rage these days.
Something about this thread made me think of George McGinnis. I think he was the first guy I ever heard called a "power" forward. Playing opposite Julius Erving. I cannot think of ever hearing the moniker before him. Mike Riordan (really a guard) was the first time I can remember hearing the term small forward applied, Mike was, in fact a very small forward even by 1970s standards. Of course you can afford a "small" forward when the center is Wes Unseld and the other forward is Elvin Hayes. I think those guys are both top five career rebounding leaders. Riordan might have been called just a small forward now that I think about it.
This post was edited on 4/17 7:27 PM by The Sleeping Dog
This post was edited on 4/17 7:27 PM by The Sleeping Dog
I agree with this whole heartedly. Most players make their biggest jump from freshman to sophomore years....used to the environment that they live and play in, understand the speed and physical nature of the game....just playing mentally and physically faster than the year before.
I think if Uhl doesn't start and play a lot at the 4 it will be because one or more of the new comers are really good.
**Separate note.....The thought that there are "a lot" of questions about this next years team. I understand that there are a lot of questions about the new comers, who will play, who will contribute, etc......but I think this sentiment doesn't give an accurate picture of this next years team. We have "a lot" of experience coming back. We have it at important places like point guard, center, and scorer. We have a team who has had success in the B10, at home, on the road, and in the NCAA tournament. We can expect major contributions from a significant senior class....that is worth "a lot" from a team that has been winning more than 20 games a year.
The really REALLY good part about these "questions" is that they are primarily with new comers who don't have to be the leading scorer, they don't have to run the team, they don't have to play a leading role......this is a very good situation. Young guys, talented, confident, and without much pressure. That is a recipe for success.
The only thing that worries me is that between those two (and Oglesby) we're losing over half our free throws made and attempted, and an 80% average at the line! That was really our "secret" weapon and I don't see our returning players in position to replace it.
I think we can get back much of the lost rebounding. But our scoring is going to come from different locations on the floor than last year. And that means much fewer trips to the line.
If Hutton comes on among the freshmen and we sign Jones then Uhl may find himself fairly far down on the pecking order among the forwards next season. He may not stand out among our more slightly framed forwards and we will need some help on the inside.
You seem to be oddly down on Uhl when the consensus seems to be allot more optomistic.
I wouldn't trade him for any of the incoming guys. His potential is significantly higher IMO.
It doesn't matter who plays the 4 on offense. But if he and Utoff are on the floor together Utoff will defend the 4.
Jarred is longer taller and probably slightly heavier while Dom is faster, quicker laterally and more athletic. It's a no brainer.
Jarred is longer taller and probably slightly heavier while Dom is faster, quicker laterally and more athletic. It's a no brainer.
Yep....me too. And while he was on the floor, I noticed he was always around the ball crashing the offensive and defensive boards. He's got a great nose for the ball grabbing the rebound and his skill set is so varied, there is a lot he can do from there especially on the defensive board. Uhl has guard like handles and he can bring the ball up court too. Just let him go.....
No. Question marks.Originally posted by DanL53:
Originally posted by The Sleeping Dog:
Man do we have a lot of question marks next season.
Opportunities.
