Does the DNC want to discourage Iowans from watching the Des Moines debate?

[SpartanHawk]

... that is scheduled there on November 14th, likely the exact same time as the Iowa/Minnesota game that is locked in as an evening game that night on BTN? Perhaps Debbie Wasserman Schultz has intentionally done the to fit in with the way she has scheduled the number and timing of all of the debates to try and minimize their impact on the Democratic nomination race so that her candidate, Hillary Clinton will be more apt to win based on name recognition, rather than people actually seeing them talk about their positions on issues, etc. This article here notes this as well (minus the timing of the November debate in Des Moines directly overlapping the Floyd of Rosedale game).

The Democratic debate schedule has a huge problem, but it's not the number of debates

The controversy over the Democratic presidential debate schedule shows no signs of dying down—and it shouldn't. Currently, the Democratic National Committee has planned six debates with rules barring any candidate who participates in other debates not sanctioned by the DNC. Both of those aspects of the debate schedule—the number and the exclusivity rule—are being loudly challenged, particularly but not only by former Maryland governor and long-shot candidate Martin O'Malley.

Two other aspects of the DNC debate schedule are also drawing attention and protest: when they fall in the primary calendar, and when they fall in people's lives. On the former point, Simon Rosenberg notes a compressed primary schedule that may have the nominee decided by mid-March, given which it's relevant that:

As of today, the Republicans have ten debates scheduled before mid-March, while the Democrats have four. Of those debates, the GOP has six debates scheduled in the ten weeks closest to the actual voting, while the Democrats have just one.​

And check out some of these dates: Saturday, November 14. Saturday, really? Who exactly is the DNC expecting to watch a Saturday night debate? But it gets better! Saturday, December 19. Yes, the Saturday six days before Christmas. Hmm ... I could attend a holiday party with my friends and loved ones, do some last-minute shopping, or watch a presidential debate. Why not just schedule it on Christmas Eve, FFS? But let's keep going through this debate schedule: January 17. That's the Sunday night of Martin Luther King Day weekend. This is absurd.
...​

 

[ottumwan in tx]

there is no debate, they shall coronate queen Hillary and move on, that's obvious

 

[SpartanHawk]

there is no debate, they shall coronate queen Hillary and move on, that's obvious

I think you might be right about DWS's motivations to see that happen, but there's even a rebellion by two members of the DNC on this now.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I think you might be right about DWS's motivations to see that happen, but there's even a rebellion by two members of the DNC on this now.

they will get told to shut it and to pipe down

I like Bernie tons better than Hillary but he will get shut down. I find it odd that the vp has not jumped in as of yet

 

[22*43*51]

I like Bernie tons better than Hillary...

Shut your dirty whore mouth.

At least Hillary is a DINO.

Bernie is a dyed in the wool Commie.

 

[SpartanHawk]

they will get told to shut it and to pipe down

I like Bernie tons better than Hillary but he will get shut down. I find it odd that the vp has not jumped in as of yet

I think there's a lot of people that want a candidate not bought by special interest money. I'm guessing that's what draws a lot of people to Trump on the Republican side as he's not being bought by this money as the rest of the candidates are, although one could argue he has served as that special interest money source hiimself in buying influence with other politicians in the past.

And yes, the media that gains the most from the spending of special interest money, will try to make sure that neither Trump nor Bernie wins to keep their profits up (despite so many people's attempts to label them "liberal". "Corporate" is far more to the point and descriptive). That motivated them in shutting down Howard Dean in 2004 with that "scream" event that they created through creative audio mic levels and editing then, right after Dean indicated in an interview that he'd go after the media the way it was.

Biden might be more in the corporate elite's favor if Hillary doesn't make it, since even if he may be a decent guy in many respects, he was too owned by the Delaware banks when he was senator for that state in being the senator that pushed through the bankruptcy bill, that makes it impossible now for students everywhere to declare bankruptcy on their huge college loan debts they have now, amongst other things. I don't think those who are populists that want Bernie want him either. That is why he didn't win primaries in two previous elections too. Him entering the race might hurt Hillary more than it would help her win, or him win. I'm guessing that's why he hasn't entered yet.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Shut your dirty whore mouth.

At least Hillary is a DINO.

Bernie is a dyed in the wool Commie.

I would rather have an admitted commie and socialist, one who is out of the closet so to speak, rather than the criminals who hide it like Obama and Hillary, let's be honest and up front, Bernie is honest, let's throw the criminals in jail

 

[SpartanHawk]

Shut your dirty whore mouth.

At least Hillary is a DINO.

Bernie is a dyed in the wool Commie.

Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a "commie". If you want candidates that are more funded by empires built on commie money, look at the Republicans and DINO Democrats funded by the Koch brothers. Their family's fortune was built on Fred Koch's working with Joseph Stalin on the Soviet Union's energy infrastructure. So a lot of Koch money is commie Joseph's Stalin's money. Google it and find out.

Commies like Jospeph Stalin are more aligned with 1%ers as a thing they have in common with the Koch brothers and others like him that buy off our politicians now, through the judicial activism of the Robert's court majority on decisions like Citizen's United.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a "commie". If you want candidates that are more funded by empires built on commie money, look at the Republicans and DINO Democrats funded by the Koch brothers. Their family's fortune was built on Fred Koch's working with Joseph Stalin on the Soviet Union's energy infrastructure. So a lot of Koch money is commie Joseph's Stalin's money. Google it and find out.

the Koch brothers funded bill Clinton and algore, those must be some of the dino's of which you speak

 

[SpartanHawk]

the Koch brothers funded bill Clinton and algore, those must be some of the dino's of which you speak

Specifically they funded and served as part of the leadership of the DLC, which Clinton and perhaps some from Gore helped set up, that has been disbanded and reformed as "Third Way", much in the same fashion that other entities with bad names like Diebold, Blackwater, and Clear Channel have rebranded themselves with newer names too.

Bernie and other more progressive Democrats are outside of that more corporatist group of Democrats that currently infects the party.

 

[moral_victory]

Commie

Don't use words you don't understand.


As far as DWS is concerned I feel that she does seek to see Hillary nominated with little resistance.

let's be honest and up front, Bernie is honest,

It is not easy to convince OiT that you are honest.

 

[IMCC965]

For the party that claims freedom of speech and free will, they sure do what they're told on a national scale by just a few people sitting on their thrones in D.C.

You guys are a bunch of programmed robots.

 

[SpartanHawk]

For the party that claims freedom of speech and free will, they sure do what they're told on a national scale by just a few people sitting on their thrones in D.C.

You guys are a bunch of programmed robots.

If I was a "programmed robot", then why would I have posted this thread? The sooner we all as a nation realize that there are people with a lot of money looking to buy people off in both parties in different degrees, and that this is the problem, the sooner we can fix this problem and get back something like a democracy that our forefathers tried to set up when they created this country.

I hear many Republicans moaning about how Obama didn't prosecute the Wall Street banksters at all after their criminal acts lead to the crash in 2008. I and many Democrats sympathize with that notion, as we don't like that either. I remind many that even Reagan's administration did a better job prosecuting Savings and Loans criminals than the Obama administration has. It's obvious that he's paying favors back to those who bought him to do so in these circumstances. Reagan and other Republicans have had their own problems but there is a growing movement in the Democratic Party to find more honest candidates that thankfully OIT has the depth to recognize himself, that will help fix this problem of corruption that we have in both parties. It shouldn't be a partisan issue. It should be one about who believes in a democratic system of rule and not an oligarchy, which is a value I think we can all share, even if other issues that don't affect the 1% as much we might have some divisions on.

This is why getting someone like Bernie elected who wants to fix this system of corruption is important, and one that the corporate ownership of both parties are trying to keep from happening as much as possible. They want elections where our choices are just those who they control, so that they can't lose, no matter which social issues one of the candidates pushes more than the other. They use social issues to keep us divided so that they can stay in control. It's a tough battle to fight, but one if we work together we can win. Bernie has showed himself as a senator that can listen to both sides on issues like gun control in a state where gun violence isn't as much of a problem as it is in others. He's not just following an extreme viewpoint that doesn't listen to those who might have different viewpoints.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

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It is not easy to convince OiT that you are honest.

if a guy admits to being a socialist I take him at his word

 

[joelbc1]

Shut your dirty whore mouth.

At least Hillary is a DINO.

Bernie is a dyed in the wool Commie.

Please 22, 'splain that statement to all of us. Bernie is hardly a communist. Tell me how and why he is a communist. Methinks you are full of crap.........again.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Please 22, 'splain that statement to all of us. Bernie is hardly a communist. Tell me how and why he is a communist. Methinks you are full of crap.........again.

socialism and communism are brothers or cousins under the banner of the left. it only takes one or two steps to go from socialism to the next level which is communism. Bernie has demonstrated he is all for taking those steps. and that is what is so refreshing: he admits it. unlike Obama and Hillary who try and hide their communism.

 

[22*43*51]

Please 22, 'splain that statement to all of us. Bernie is hardly a communist. Tell me how and why he is a communist. Methinks you are full of crap.........again.

Socialism is diet Communism.

Don't be daft. Embrace your political impulses.

 

[22*43*51]

Don't use words you don't understand.

I understand it.

It is your Scarlet Letter.

Embrace it.

 

[moral_victory]

I understand it.

It is your Scarlet Letter.

Embrace it.

Red scare is over grandpa. You can climb out from under your desk the nukes aren't coming.

 

[22*43*51]

Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a "commie". If you want candidates that are more funded by empires built on commie money, look at the Republicans and DINO Democrats funded by the Koch brothers. Their family's fortune was built on Fred Koch's working with Joseph Stalin on the Soviet Union's energy infrastructure. So a lot of Koch money is commie Joseph's Stalin's money. Google it and find out.

Commies like Jospeph Stalin are more aligned with 1%ers as a thing they have in common with the Koch brothers and others like him that buy off our politicians now, through the judicial activism of the Robert's court majority on decisions like Citizen's United.

Advocate for trickle down government all you want. That is what Bernie is for.

The Koch brothers influence is abhorrent, but it servers as a distraction for easy to dissuade such as yourself.

You sound like toy with a pull string spouting off the same innocuous tripe, as if it is isolated to one party.

Bernie just wants you to take a short cut around thinking and give your complete trust and resources to the Government. They will be the light and the way.

I'm sure it will work out better this time than all of the other communist failures. Right?

 

[22*43*51]

Red scare is over grandpa. You can climb out from under your desk the nukes aren't coming.

Show me an example of communist success anywhere in the world. Ever?

That isn't a scare. That is Red Fact.

 

[SpartanHawk]

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Advocate for trickle down government all you want. That is what Bernie is for.

Perhaps you can define what "trickle down government" means. If you are trying to talk about that in context of trickle down economics theory, something that has shown itself through direct experience NOT to work over the last few decades where giving the wealthy more tax breaks doesn't "trickle down" wealth to the rest of us, but only lets them get richer with more money that they don't need so that they use it "gambling" on speculative trades on Wall Street, or to buy off more politicians The only trickling down to the disappearing middle class of this country is to make us literally in to "peons", or perhaps better spelled as "pee-ons".

Bernie is about the only candidate that is running on donations mostly from a large amount of small amount donors, not huge PACs of corporate or 1% donations, or those maxing out with $2700 donations, compared to the other candidates running on the 1%ers' payroll. He wants to build a government that will restore the middle class and not keep giving all of our economic growth just to the 1% as has happened in recent decades. If that's "trickle down government" then yes, I like that more realistic and sustainable approach that FDR also took to overcome the similar BROKEN system put in place before he took office that was inherently a broken system.

The Koch brothers influence is abhorrent, but it servers as a distraction for easy to dissuade such as yourself.

The power of money like the Kochs have put in place IS the core problem of what is wrong with our government now. If you think that is a "distraction", then they are laughing at you for having succeeded in believing that to be the case. What is the looking at the corruption of the Koch Brothers and 1%ers a distraction from? Clarify your delusion for us please.

You sound like toy with a pull string spouting off the same innocuous tripe, as if it is isolated to one party.

Hmm... In case you didn't know from watching Fox News too much, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat but an independent running in the Democratic primary, where he's forced to run to not be a spoiler in our two party system the way Nader was. Instant runoff voting might help solve that, but that's not our system at the moment, even if it works for countries like Australia. Are you in effect saying that all running for the Democratic Party nomination are all communists and therefore "isolated to one party" (a "communist party"?). If so, not sure how rational our discussion can be.

Bernie just wants you to take a short cut around thinking and give your complete trust and resources to the Government. They will be the light and the way.

I'm sure it will work out better this time than all of the other communist failures. Right?

Pardon me for thinking and understanding that if we don't have government, most of us wouldn't have any way to live the traditional American life the way our founders wanted it to be and the way the original Boston Tea Party was used as a protest against the domination of corporate rule (The East India Company). If you seem to think government is unnecessary, then who do you want running our society? A fascist rule by corporations and other 1%er elite, where there's no government to regulate them, and instead of courts, everything is an arbitration hearing which has replaced so many of our class action law suits even today that basically allows corporate america to basically shut down almost any kind of lawsuits against their actions. That and the coming corporate entity controlled ISDS courts with TPP and other newer trade agreements in place that will also override our government's sovereignty would be something Mussolini would just love to have in place. If you love this, you either must be a 1%er with a thirst for this kind of rule over everyone else, or a masochist that loves being brutalized by others controlling you. Pardon many of the rest of us who don't want that.

I don't like 1%er communism, which is what Joseph Stalin was practicing when he was killing other socialists like Trotsky and being pals with fellow 1%er Fred Koch then. Why do you like candidates that are controlled by those who are using money from Stalin's communist empire more than Bernie Sanders?

 

[SpartanHawk]

Show me an example of communist success anywhere in the world. Ever?

That isn't a scare. That is Red Fact.

Well, you are right about communism, which AGAIN is NOT "Democratic socialism" but 1%er totalitarian rule of a few over the many with no representation. If you want an example of SOCIALISM success, there are many countries in norther Europe that have some of the highest satisfaction ratings in the world now. Places like Sweden have wealth divides that studies have shown Americans incorrectly assume is closer than our extreme divide now, and where we want to have more of a balanced divide of wealth that they have now.

 

[Jan Itor]

Bernie is a democratic socialist, not a "commie". If you want candidates that are more funded by empires built on commie money, look at the Republicans and DINO Democrats funded by the Koch brothers. Their family's fortune was built on Fred Koch's working with Joseph Stalin on the Soviet Union's energy infrastructure. So a lot of Koch money is commie Joseph's Stalin's money. Google it and find out.

Commies like Jospeph Stalin are more aligned with 1%ers as a thing they have in common with the Koch brothers and others like him that buy off our politicians now, through the judicial activism of the Robert's court majority on decisions like Citizen's United.

Assuming Bernie is not bought and paid for, what do you think he can get accomplished in a town that is fully bought and paid for?

 

[joelbc1]

Socialism is diet Communism.

Don't be daft. Embrace your political impulses.

No more than "capitalism" is diet fascism. Capitalism needs a strong central government with rules in place to guarantee its success. It also needs someone in charge to make sure their rules are followed.

 

[Pepperman]

Assuming Bernie is not bought and paid for, what do you think he can get accomplished in a town that is fully bought and paid for?

I don't like Bernie's fiscal views, but you have to realize that a journey of a million steps starts with the first one.

Bernie is absolutely correct about money and politics. I think, like Spartan said above, that this same general "establishment" thing is what's helping Trump too (although is anti-PC stuff goes a long way as well).

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Shut your dirty whore mouth.

At least Hillary is a DINO.

Bernie is a dyed in the wool Commie.

At least you can buy the fact that Bernie is doing what he thinks is best for the common man, even if you don't agree with him on everything (which I don't). Hillary is a crony capitalistic 1%er in the mold of her husband, H.W., W., and Obama.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

because Bernie is genuine they shall figure out how to "herman cain" him