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Dow Jones down for 3rd day straight. Economy is rocking.

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Investors also continue to grapple with a host of negatives, including the stock market's inability to muster any signs of a lasting bounce, Volkswagen's emissions crisis and persistent worries over interest rates and China's economic slowdown.

Heading into today's trading session the Dow was deep in correction territory, down 11.1% from its May 19 record high. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq, both off around 9% from their recent peaks, are also in danger of falling back into correction mode.

"Nothing good to report," is the way Gary Kaltbaum, president of Kaltbaum Capital Management, described the market's current prognosis in a note to clients.


Yesterday was a blah day on Wall Street, with the Dow tumbling 51 points, and there's little sign that the market -- at least now -- is ready to suddenly bounce sharply higher, Kaltbaum says.

"When the markets are in trouble, when the markets have recently sold off again and when the markets are a little bit oversold, one would at least expect some energy to the upside. Nothing doing," he told clients. "And when there is nothing doing, it tells us lower prices have still not enticed the big boys, thus even lower prices are in the offing."

Investors will also be watching a speech today on inflation and monetary policy by Federal Reserve chair Janet Yellen. But the speech is scheduled for 5 p.m. ET, or after today's market close. The Fed, which opted not to hike short-term interest rates last week, has policy meetings in October and December.
 
We're likely in what market experts call a "correction" which involves a 10%+ drop. Happens on a semi-regular basis, which I'm sure you already know. There are always world geo-political issues, temporary bad news(VW story), and the like.

Unless you are in a need to withdraw a sizeable amount of a retirement account, this probably is no big deal to most. It's why advisors recommend diversity.

The other main issue seems to be the Feds lack of action on a rate increase. Do it and move on.
 
You editorialized the title then just posted the article, do you have any of your own thoughts?
 
You editorialized the title then just posted the article, do you have any of your own thoughts?

It's the same tripe he's been peddling consistently all along, that we're in for a massive economic meltdown with hyperinflation around the corner. It's the same nonsense that's been proven wrong over and over again but the deficit scolds keep pushing anyway.
 
We're likely in what market experts call a "correction" which involves a 10%+ drop. Happens on a semi-regular basis, which I'm sure you already know. There are always world geo-political issues, temporary bad news(VW story), and the like.

Unless you are in a need to withdraw a sizeable amount of a retirement account, this probably is no big deal to most. It's why advisors recommend diversity.

The other main issue seems to be the Feds lack of action on a rate increase. Do it and move on.
It ain't gonna happen before they inject another QE. I fell for the rate hikes talk also, but it's simply not a stable enough market for that to happen. The Fed had failed with their QE, and they just won't admit it.
 
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It's the same tripe he's been peddling consistently all along, that we're in for a massive economic meltdown with hyperinflation around the corner. It's the same nonsense that's been proven wrong over and over again but the deficit scolds keep pushing anyway.
Yup, and you're the same type of economic genius who was saying that a housing crisis could never happen.
 
You editorialized the title then just posted the article, do you have any of your own thoughts?
The reason for all of this is that a currency bubble is here. The Fed is stalling and keeps crying for a rate increase, but do not actually intend to do this. It should have happened already. Their reluctance in doing this is because they know that at this point in the market it simply can't happen.

Ergo, the world economy is floating on an unstable boat and no one knows how to steer it to safety.
 
What's Krugman's next great idea? Does he want to start another housing bubble? That was his great idea? Or should we spend a ton more money and go farther into debt?
 
What's Krugman's next great idea? Does he want to start another housing bubble? That was his great idea? Or should we spend a ton more money and go farther into debt?

Ah, you silly deficit scolds. You just never learn do you?
 
Well, being a deficit scold is certainly better than being a liar.

Here's Krugman's (and therefore Ciggy's) view on how the US need to act.

Ramp up govt spending. WAY up. Like, stupidity up. Enact their own version of trickle-down economics to rev up the economy...then pay down the debt (by removing slowly the spending) when "they (Krugman lemmings) decide the time is right".

What they're lying about is taking the govt spending out of the mix. It would never, ever happen.
 
I'm not sure there is a currency bubble. The stock market is not really where I would gauge the economy as a whole. Regardless, the Fed is a poison.
I mostly agree and would add this opinion. The stock market is relevant in how it affects Americans view of their financial well being and how their retirement survival might go. If I feel good about my 401K, I'm more likely to purchase the so-called "big ticket" items. This trickles down to employment projections and how companies reinvest in the form of expansion and technology.
Americans were a pessimistic bunch in 2007/2008. So the propping the stock market got was a necessary evil at the time it was done. imo.
 
I'm not sure there is a currency bubble. The stock market is not really where I would gauge the economy as a whole. Regardless, the Fed is a poison.
The stock market, isn't the only indicator of what is happening. It's the main indicator, yes, but there are many more signs.

-Just last month we saw the largest intraday drop in the DOW, in HISTORY, China Yuan drop a big reason why.
-As stated before, the Fed refused to increase interest rates, though it keeps playing the card that it will.
-Chinas manufacturing report was even worse than what was forecasted. 40% loss in market value by the way.
-China also is making big changes in it's approach, by trying to be less cheap export, and self substained by a middle income and innovative development.
-China is doing what it can to get as even with the dollar as possible in comparison to their Yuan, in doing so, they are making crazy moves, that have little positive effect, and are causing market stirs day in and out.
-For the past two months, the Dow has been on a mostly downward plunge.
-Foreign economies in trouble,..Greece as an example, has seen the rise of a barter economy, which is continuing to grow. Japan also having a downward loop.(3rd largest economy)
-Job cuts are coming in from all over, and it continues to a growing trend.
-China and Goldman sachs are all said to have heavy influence on why the Fed won't rates, as well as the Feds victimization through it's own policies. So basically another economy and a too big to fail is calling the shots.

I'm convinced that there is some serious trouble brewing. I don't believe there was ever a true recovery. It was just a quick fix, and here we are again. The currency will begin to show it's true colors soon.
 
I mostly agree and would add this opinion. The stock market is relevant in how it affects Americans view of their financial well being and how their retirement survival might go. If I feel good about my 401K, I'm more likely to purchase the so-called "big ticket" items. This trickles down to employment projections and how companies reinvest in the form of expansion and technology.
Americans were a pessimistic bunch in 2007/2008. So the propping the stock market got was a necessary evil at the time it was done. imo.
It was necessary actually, it was necessary to the folks who would have lost big. Keep in mind who was actually crying wolf during that time. Keep in mind also, how quickly it turned around, and how big grew even bigger.
 
All good points, but the American economy has been very resilient thru the years, good and bad years.

I guess the adage... "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" might be useful.
 
The stock market, isn't the only indicator of what is happening. It's the main indicator, yes, but there are many more signs.

-Just last month we saw the largest intraday drop in the DOW, in HISTORY, China Yuan drop a big reason why.
-As stated before, the Fed refused to increase interest rates, though it keeps playing the card that it will.
-Chinas manufacturing report was even worse than what was forecasted. 40% loss in market value by the way.
-China also is making big changes in it's approach, by trying to be less cheap export, and self substained by a middle income and innovative development.
-China is doing what it can to get as even with the dollar as possible in comparison to their Yuan, in doing so, they are making crazy moves, that have little positive effect, and are causing market stirs day in and out.
-For the past two months, the Dow has been on a mostly downward plunge.
-Foreign economies in trouble,..Greece as an example, has seen the rise of a barter economy, which is continuing to grow. Japan also having a downward loop.(3rd largest economy)
-Job cuts are coming in from all over, and it continues to a growing trend.
-China and Goldman sachs are all said to have heavy influence on why the Fed won't rates, as well as the Feds victimization through it's own policies. So basically another economy and a too big to fail is calling the shots.

I'm convinced that there is some serious trouble brewing. I don't believe there was ever a true recovery. It was just a quick fix, and here we are again. The currency will begin to show it's true colors soon.
I see all that. But, as far as currency bubble... I'm not so sure. Precious metals are all still selling fairly low.

The US Dollar still rules the world. The FED is the FED. It would literally require a collapse beyond it's control to fix, to finally get rid of it, and even then I don't know what would happen. People on this board are still blindly praising the institution like it's some great protector! When, the FED is the literal root of much of the evil we experience domestically and globally. It's a tough choice. Face a terrible reckoning and end the Fed... maybe. Or, keep it and continue to push the thing off the inevitable cliff. It's not much of a choice!
 
All good points, but the American economy has been very resilient thru the years, good and bad years.

I guess the adage... "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst" might be useful.

Which is why an amateur like myself has always said I'd rather have an honest recovery than an artificially boosted recovery. Hand out free money like a sailor on leave at a strip joint...sooner or later the sailor runs out of money and the strippers go broke.

Our recovery started when people started being able to spend again...it took a while, but they got their balance sheets in order, started spending.

Maybe the world's collective balance sheets by the true spenders (us normal ordinary people) are once again in the crapper. Maybe not here so much, but elsewhere - and we're seeing a ripple effect.
 
It's the same tripe he's been peddling consistently all along, that we're in for a massive economic meltdown with hyperinflation around the corner. It's the same nonsense that's been proven wrong over and over again but the deficit scolds keep pushing anyway.

Ironic post is ironic.
 
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I see all that. But, as far as currency bubble... I'm not so sure. Precious metals are all still selling fairly low.

The US Dollar still rules the world. The FED is the FED. It would literally require a collapse beyond it's control to fix, to finally get rid of it, and even then I don't know what would happen. People on this board are still blindly praising the institution like it's some great protector! When, the FED is the literal root of much of the evil we experience domestically and globally. It's a tough choice. Face a terrible reckoning and end the Fed... maybe. Or, keep it and continue to push the thing off the inevitable cliff. It's not much of a choice!
The dollar sits on top, but the dollar is simply the best turd in the bowl. Once they unleash QE4, watch out. It's hard to see the bubble when you are standing in the middle of it.
 
Where's Walker and Kasich when we need them?
Lots of bad management decisions have been made here boys.......but we all know it's the damn unions who created this mess. Unions lie. Unions cheat. Unions defy the rules and are always guilty of manipulating facts and numbers. The bastards. Thank God management is so damned superior and above these types of antics. After all, they have stockholders to keep happy. Unions just work for workers and their families. Bastards!
 
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Lots of bad management decisions have been made here boys.......but we all know it's the damn unions who created this mess. Unions lie. Unions cheat. Unions defy the rules and are always guilty of manipulating facts and numbers. The bastards. Thank God management is so damned superior and above these types of antics. After all, they have stockholders to keep happy. Unions just work for workers and their families. Bastards!
I need a emoji to determine if you're being sarcastic or not. True that unions are far from perfect, but they have their positives.
 
What's Krugman's next great idea? Does he want to start another housing bubble? That was his great idea? Or should we spend a ton more money and go farther into debt?
YES - SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!! Its the only way to get rid of debt.
 
currency valuation is all relative. everything can't tank at once. it's only measured against something else.
It is relative, but fiat money is based only on confidence in the issuer. It is possible to lose confidence in the US dollar, Euro and others all at the same time.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-downtrend-set-continue-wall-street/72726628/

Investors also continue to grapple with a host of negatives, including the stock market's inability to muster any signs of a lasting bounce, Volkswagen's emissions crisis and persistent worries over interest rates and China's economic slowdown.

Heading into today's trading session the Dow was deep in correction territory, down 11.1% from its May 19 record high. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq, both off around 9% from their recent peaks, are also in danger of falling back into correction mode.

"Nothing good to report," is the way Gary Kaltbaum, president of Kaltbaum Capital Management, described the market's current prognosis in a note to clients.


Yesterday was a blah day on Wall Street, with the Dow tumbling 51 points, and there's little sign that the market -- at least now -- is ready to suddenly bounce sharply higher, Kaltbaum says.

"When the markets are in trouble, when the markets have recently sold off again and when the markets are a little bit oversold, one would at least expect some energy to the upside. Nothing doing," he told clients. "And when there is nothing doing, it tells us lower prices have still not enticed the big boys, thus even lower prices are in the offing."

Investors will also be watching a speech today on inflation and monetary policy by Federal Reserve chair Janet Yellen. But the speech is scheduled for 5 p.m. ET, or after today's market close. The Fed, which opted not to hike short-term interest rates last week, has policy meetings in October and December.
Look it up. October is often one of the scariest/worst months for the stock market. I still remember losing 1/3 of my net worth in a couple of days in October 1987. It's a good time to be a buyer.
 
Look it up. October is often one of the scariest/worst months for the stock market. I still remember losing 1/3 of my net worth in a couple of days in October 1987. It's a good time to be a buyer.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There certainly is a lot of history to back this sentiment. The stock market goes up and it goes down. September and October are generally not big gainer months.
 
it amazes me how many people equate the economy with the equity markets.

There is a whole machine dedicated into making them believe this is true. Just as the industry spends a lot of time cheerleading how safe the market is...go ahead and swim with the sharks, they won't bite.
 
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