There goes a sure fire 4 time all american and undefeated. Greatest coach in the world wouldn't have let this happen
Iowa State will be looking for a new coach...Just a little poke here an there...Down goes Hall
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Iowa State will be looking for a new coach...Just a little poke here an there...
Hall will be a stud and probably high AA this year. I would be more worried about Joseph getting points. Not impressed with him at all tonight. From what I have seen, even with Hall, OkSt is by far the front runner for the title this year.
PSU studs are studs, but a lot of holes that OkSt does not have.
#wreckedhall
PSU studs are studs, but a lot of holes that OkSt does not have.
#wreckedhall
Yes and that ladies and gentlemen is why you red shirt guys. Hall looked like High school wrestler against a seasoned College wrestler. Hall is the better wrestler for sure. Just not physically developed at this point and time.
He really looked physically good - he just go schooled by a SR. Maybe you meant psychologically developed.
Agree with this. Hall is a phenom and may be able to overcome the size disparity, but Meyer absolutely dwarfed him, and his strength and gas tank were just too much for Hall. I love Meyer's toughness and appreciate the heck out of him, but there are more elite 174-pounders out there with very good size for the weight class. Hall's going to have his hands full with the "big boys" at 174. I expected him to cruise at this level, and he'll certainly have a great career, but there's no doubt he's undersized at 174, and I think that will take its toll in March.
Hall will be fine. I do think he needs a year but he will prob mid to low AA. He just was getting horsed from mid match to the end.
First time big match fade out for Hall. He will be fine. He took Crutchmer apart at the Scuffle. Not as much pressure when they don't count yet.
Shhhh. Hall hasn't done anything since high school. His one loss by 2 points to a stud SR makes him a failure for life. It's not like he won the Scuffle....
Iowa fans reduced to moral, meaningless victories. Sound like Pitt football fans.
I'll agree not to discuss or give opinions on things outside of my profession as soon as you agree to do the sa... on 2nd thought, nope. This is a forum used to discuss such things.
Possible Scenario: Unranked wrestler loses to ranked returning All-American and then enters the rankings above the wrestler he lost to
I'd go way easy on Hall. He's going to be a great wrestler. And, amazing as this sound, Meyer is so unpredictable and goofy that he's a bad match up for Hall. Plus Meyer finished so well last night that Hall could not counter.
As for Cael's decision, remember he pulled McIntosh's redshirt in 2012 and got 1 point at the nationals. Without McIntosh Penn State only wins that year by 24 1/2 points. Brilliant!
As for Cael's decision, remember he pulled McIntosh's redshirt in 2012 and got 1 point at the nationals. Without McIntosh Penn State only wins that year by 24 1/2 points. Brilliant!
That's my point. He very well may win Nationals this year, but I'm a little skeptical about his ability to run off 5 straight matches at 174, given his relatively small size for the weight class. He clearly has the talent, but I was surprised at how small he looked next to Meyer, who's not necessarily a huge 174.
"Fine", by Hall's standards, would be something on the order of 4x national champ, which I think many anticipated for him. Barring injury, he's pretty much a lock for 4x AA, but that's clearly not his goal. That would be "fine" to most of us, but not for Hall, at least based on expectations coming into D1.
Actually two losses since pulling the red shirt pulls loss from earlier this year to Central Michigan 19th ranked and non NCAA qualifier to his official record.
Still a great wrestler and bright future but will not reach his original goal of undefeated 4 time champ. After all this is not HS where you get 7 chances to get 6 titles.
There is still the route of medical red shirt for injury. Didn't Stiebler have 4 or 5 losses wiped off his record after wrestling varsity freshman year but granted a medical red shirt after an injury? Thus the mulligan even though red shirt had been pulled?
There's a huge difference...Stieber got hurt the very first week of December, and hadn't wrestled enough to hit the 30% threshold ceiling for a hardship waiver (read: medical redshirt). Any potential injury to Hall at this point would be in the third weekend of January, past the mid-point of the season (this is the key for him), and therefore he would not be eligible for a hardship waiver. (this is the same rule that will get Sam Stoll...too late in the season)
Sorry I was being facetious or lame attempt but came accross as a dumba$$.
I remember a tweet Hall posted on twitter when he was still being recruited. It was a pic of him sent by Carl. It had a psu logo photoshopped over his singlet and the caption 4x national champ.
Hmmmmm
I cannot believe he pulled that shirt smh.
Hall could win it in March, but that's a big tall order. That road has some huge roadblocks.
Hmmmmm
I cannot believe he pulled that shirt smh.
Hall could win it in March, but that's a big tall order. That road has some huge roadblocks.
Hall will be more than fine! With Cortez done for the year I think this is a very smart play by Cael. I can't believe some people are saying that this loss is that big of a deal...the dude dominated the southern scuffle. I think he is easily a top 4 guy by the end of the season and wouldn't be shocked at all with a national title from him. Last night was a true growing experience for Mark, which will only help him for the rest of the season. I'm just glad they pulled the shirt so he's out of PSU sooner
Anyone questioning Hall is going to be eating crow - soon. What I saw was an absolutely brilliant takedown and finish by Meyer. Hall is a world class counter wrestler and Meyer just showed how frickin' good he can be. But . . . he's still Meyer, so who knows what's next.
My predictions for 74 before Alex beat hall and right after Hall won the Scuffle
1) bo Jordan (healthy)
2) z Valencia
3) Eppery
4) Realbuto
5) Hall
6) Crutchmer
7) Amine
8) Ramos
1) bo Jordan (healthy)
2) z Valencia
3) Eppery
4) Realbuto
5) Hall
6) Crutchmer
7) Amine
8) Ramos
The question is what does it mean to "question" Hall.
I don't see anyone doubting that he's a phenomenal young wrestler. I do see merit in questioning the odds that he ends up a 4x national champ, which many of us probably anticipated. I know I did. 4x AA? Pretty much a guarantee, barring injury. Multiple national champ? Very likely. 4x national champ? I think he'll have his work cut out for him this year. Could he still win it this year? Obviously.
If by "questioning" you mean doubting that he's as good as advertised, then you have a point.
This is a really poor example as McIntosh would have had to sit the following year anyway behind Wright - instead he redshirted that year. Or everybody could have continued to cut a lot of weight and national finalist Brown would have been left on the bench. Wrestling McIntosh was the right thing to do - he still got five years.
I've posted this to you before, but you don't seem to remember this too well.
I'd suspect Hall is going to redshirt at some point, even if it's an Olympic. I don't have a problem with Cael pulling it as long as this is the case and Hall was ready to go. Pulling it for the team points I don't think works out usually.
McIntosh was also hindered by a bad knee that required surgery after the season was over. A fact conveniently ignored by those looking to characterize it as a mistake or some selfish act on Sanderson's part.
Regretfully I think you are correct. Hall can make things look just so easy. It's over now, no my hype or questions. It is one thing to fulfill high expectations, but the expectations some had for him... have been completed by how many? How he responds at Bigs will be telling. I hope Meyer takes this and runs with it. Meyer can beat and lose to almost anyone. He needs to start stringing wins together and let it fly.
If you would have asked me up and comers who has the best chance to duplicate Sanderson, it would have been Hall. That first year in the room and transition proves to be pivotal for most wrestlers. And really I believe what Dake did without having a redshirt season was even more impressive.
I see Hall similar to McIntosh's 1st year. Technically solid but forced to wrestle up a weight. I see him finishing anywhere between 3-R12.
I'm not sure Hall has the frame to develop into a full size 174. He'll be a good one but he may end up always undersized for the weight. His ideal situation is probably at 165.
I'm not sure Hall has the frame to develop into a full size 174. He'll be a good one but he may end up always undersized for the weight. His ideal situation is probably at 165.
But Marinelli will be at 165, and Hall doesn't want any part of him, so he's trying to grow into 174. Can't say I blame him.
I would be willing to make a wager he is not in the top 4. He's a AA but not in the top 4.
Absolutely TERRIBLE move by Carl.... If this were KJ or any other D1 coach in the country doing this the wrestling world would be all over him!!!! Just because its Carl does not make it right. But I have said it for years and will continue to say it Carl will do what is good for Carl just ask Jenkins. Ask the Nevils family if you don't think its a slap in the face that he is going HARD after Stevenson and not so much Nevils then there is something seriously wrong with you. Carl cares about winning at all costs. With all that being said I do respect him as a wrestler and a coach but he has made some bad moves just like all coaches have. He has the talent on his team so he can afford to do things like this.
Hall is a VERY good wrestler obviously he has proven that. He will do a lot of REALLY GOOD things and will probably AA this year now. If you think last night was pressure packed wait till BIGS and NCAA's. There will be more pressure there if you don't think so your delusional...
Hall is a VERY good wrestler obviously he has proven that. He will do a lot of REALLY GOOD things and will probably AA this year now. If you think last night was pressure packed wait till BIGS and NCAA's. There will be more pressure there if you don't think so your delusional...
Hasn't Pitt beaten PSU two straight in football?
I'm tempted... But I want to wait before making anymore bets this season. I may want to offer Chief another shot at 125 since it didn't work out for him last year.
Bringing him out at Carver? Sure...I think Cael was wrong. Bring him out against Rutgers last week at home and I think he is fine in this dual. Made for a great storyline though...just not the kind that was expected.
Even at home it's tough for a kid...seems like the smallest thing can get in a kid's head. Lincoln Mc was doing fine according to Gable until the announcer gave him a big "To Do" and called him the "South Dakota Destroyer" as he was coming out...Gable said LM was mortified because he was such an unassuming dude. He lost the next dual away as well. Gable had to wrestle LM against two teammates in a mat that was set up in Carver with a crowd to simulate real conditions. After that, he was fine.
Like I have said though...I was surprised it got to Hall because he has wrestled so many big matches...3XWorld teams, Who's #1, beat some big time college guys.
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Can anybody verify if Mark Hall wanted too wrestle? I'm confused hearing Bael talk.
Geno Morelli wouldn't be a hole in 90% of http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1074715-cael-sanderson-on-the-mark-hall-decision#.WIQIuFlOnqA lineups.
Sail
Awolnation , hope Marks mom's cool with this
CoC jOrtz
Geno Morelli wouldn't be a hole in 90% of http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1074715-cael-sanderson-on-the-mark-hall-decision#.WIQIuFlOnqA lineups.
Sail
Awolnation , hope Marks mom's cool with this
CoC jOrtz
I was just trying to make the point that Meyer should get the credit here. That's all - I didn't give the "question" comment much thought.
BTW, I don't understand Cael at all - Hall should have redshirted to give him an opportunity to have a Cael-like career. I'm seeing a pattern here.
They were already in the "drivers seat". People act like losing Cortez somehow tipped the wrestling world scales upside down, and to that I say LOL!
Yeah, the #1 overall recruit will probably be fine in the long run................
