Eierman is probably...

[TNTwrestle]

sad that he doesn't have five threads worrying about him, or asking if he'll be back Friday, or wondering if he's hurt or ineligible.
Don't y'all think he deserves a little love too? I know everyone thinks they know why he's been out because Tom gave more clues, but can't we speculate for at least a few pages as to what's up with him?

 

[just_somebody]

i thought real hard about starting a thread for you, decided against it. had i had an afternoon bourbon instead of a late meeting, the result probably would have been different

 

[sdvike]

From what Ive seen his opponents have taken a very strict approach this year. They do not shoot for his legs at all and wait on him to initiate action. Eiermann will make you pay if you attack but for whatever reason this year he seems off on his blast double and slide bys. I have to believe something physically has been holding him back this year. I am hoping the break here will help him heal and deal with the approach others are taking this year. I will continue to believe he will be NCAA champ til he gets defeated there.

 

[ping72]

There would be if Henson pulled his shirt.

 

[Trapper85]

From what Ive seen his opponents have taken a very strict approach this year. They do not shoot for his legs at all and wait on him to initiate action. Eiermann will make you pay if you attack but for whatever reason this year he seems off on his blast double and slide bys. I have to believe something physically has been holding him back this year. I am hoping the break here will help him heal and deal with the approach others are taking this year. I will continue to believe he will be NCAA champ til he gets defeated there.

I agree with most of this, but seems to me that guys have still been shooting for his legs some, but have figured out ways to hinder his funky counter attempts and get stalemates. Or his funk ain't what it used to be for some reason.

 

[Gobblin]

The real Jaydin will be back to the form we all know and love very soon.

 

[MSU158]

I agree with most of this, but seems to me that guys have still been shooting for his legs some, but have figured out ways to hinder his funky counter attempts and get stalemates. Or his funk ain't what it used to be for some reason.

Agreed. He isn’t cutting the corner like he normally does. That is why I have been thinking he may be experimenting a bit. His go to is how incredibly fast and efficient he is at getting the side off a shot, getting to the crotch lock and then hooking the leg. To me, it almost looks like he hasn’t even been trying for it.

 

[mizzoufan90]

The more opponents wrestle Jaydin, the less effective he is with his funk because opponents get a feel.

He is in his 7th year of college and has two offensive moves. Right-handed slide by and blast double.

He dangles his right leg out to incentivize opponents to shoot. As Nick Lee and countless others have learned if they stay patient, Eierman cannot use his defensive funk to get big moves.

When he transferred to Iowa, I really thought the Brands brothers would adjust his style substantially, but he's the same guy.

 

[MSU158]

The more opponents wrestle Jaydin, the less effective he is with his funk because opponents get a feel.

He is in his 7th year of college and has two offensive moves. Right-handed slide by and blast double.

He dangles his right leg out to incentivize opponents to shoot. As Nick Lee and countless others have learned if they stay patient, Eierman cannot use his defensive funk to get big moves.

When he transferred to Iowa, I really thought the Brands brothers would adjust his style substantially, but he's the same guy.

This is the misnomer for DI wrestling. It is VERY rare that DI wrestlers develop a completely new high level attack, let alone a whole style. Most of these guys have taken 10-15+ years to develop the top level skills they have that got them into a DI room in the first place. It is almost always equivalent to trying to teach old dogs new tricks.

Now, what mostly does happen in a top level room is honing of those top end skills while trying to identify and minimize weaknesses. This isn’t to say you don’t get lucky once in a while and get a guy like Bo Nickal who can hit you with 15 different kinds of kitchen sinks, but that is really only because he had that wide of a skill set to begin with.

 

[mizzoufan90]

This is the misnomer for DI wrestling. It is VERY rare that DI wrestlers develop a completely new high level attack, let alone a whole style. Most of these guys have taken 10-15+ years to develop the top level skills they have that got them into a DI room in the first place. It is almost always equivalent to trying to track old dogs new tricks.

Now, what mostly does happen in a top level room is honing of those top end skills while trying to identify and minimize weaknesses. This isn’t to say you don’t get lucky once in a while and get a guy like Bo Nickal who can hit you with 15 different kinds of kitchen sinks, but that is really only because he had that wide of a skill set to begin with.

I don't disagree but what you just wrote is exactly the rationale coaches should be using to recruit against the elite programs. Despite two years in the room, Eierman is the same guy he was at Mizzou. In some ways, he is even less dominant: Jaydin's sophomore year he produced a 70.27% bonus rate. It's gone down every single year and he currently stands at 45.45%.

If you're an elite prospect, you are only getting your skills honed at the D1 level, as you said. If that's true, and I believe it is, for the most part, you can basically go anywhere because almost every single D1 coach was an elite wrestler and can help refine you.

 

[MSU158]

I don't disagree but what you just wrote is exactly the rationale coaches should be using to recruit against the elite programs. Despite two years in the room, Eierman is the same guy he was at Mizzou. In some ways, he is even less dominant: Jaydin's sophomore year he produced a 70.27% bonus rate. It's gone down every single year and he currently stands at 45.45%.

If you're an elite prospect, you are only getting your skills honed at the D1 level, as you said. If that's true, and I believe it is, for the most part, you can basically go anywhere because almost every single D1 coach was an elite wrestler and can help refine you.

Not quite true. Some rooms hone a hell of a lot better than others. Also, don’t forget the identifying weaknesses and working on those part. That is a huge part of it and you really do see a much bigger fix to that in the better rooms.

One other key part I left out is lifestyle. Some of the best and most successful rooms are able to get the groups to gel and go all in to their philosophy. This cannot be undersold. If your goal is to be the absolute best, it helps to have others around you that have that same goal with a realistic chance to obtain it. Very few rooms offer that.

 

[GoHawks1996]

I don't disagree but what you just wrote is exactly the rationale coaches should be using to recruit against the elite programs. Despite two years in the room, Eierman is the same guy he was at Mizzou. In some ways, he is even less dominant: Jaydin's sophomore year he produced a 70.27% bonus rate. It's gone down every single year and he currently stands at 45.45%.

If you're an elite prospect, you are only getting your skills honed at the D1 level, as you said. If that's true, and I believe it is, for the most part, you can basically go anywhere because almost every single D1 coach was an elite wrestler and can help refine you.

Lol who exactly were you Missouri clowns wrestling when Jaydin had 70% bonus rate? A lot tougher schedule over here with the big boys.

The big change I know the coaches were working with Jaydin was fundamental wrestling, keeping his legs back, focusing on his offense first. I noticed him keeping his legs back and not letting people into his legs so much most of last year, not so much this year.

That being said I couldn't be less worried about him, he's a winner and will put it together when it matters.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

This is the misnomer for DI wrestling. It is VERY rare that DI wrestlers develop a completely new high level attack, let alone a whole style. Most of these guys have taken 10-15+ years to develop the top level skills they have that got them into a DI room in the first place. It is almost always equivalent to trying to track old dogs new tricks.

Now, what mostly does happen in a top level room is honing of those top end skills while trying to identify and minimize weaknesses. This isn’t to say you don’t get lucky once in a while and get a guy like Bo Nickal who can hit you with 15 different kinds of kitchen sinks, but that is really only because he had that wide of a skill set to begin with.

I am not disagreeing with you, but I find this incredible. Why WOULDN'T a high level wrestler seek to develop more tools for the tool bag?

I have been surprised to see a number of wrestlers really not develop other "go to" moves to complement their established strengths...but it happens often as you say.

 

[wasdt21]

2,3,4 and 5 everybody has him figured out. he places higher every year

 

[MSU158]

I am not disagreeing with you, but I find this incredible. Why WOULDN'T a high level wrestler seek to develop more tools for the tool bag?

I have been surprised to see a number of wrestlers really not develop other "go to" moves to complement their established strengths...but it happens often as you say.

Many seek it. The problem is developing it to the point you really are good at it and then, and this is the BIGGEST PART, feeling comfortable enough to use it in a match.

There was a great tweet a little while back by Alec Pantaleo:
After three years of practicing it I finally hit a textbook “Belogazov outside step throw” in live wrestling. #delayedGratification


I mean he practiced it for a long time and has now hit a good one 1 time in a match. Mind you, this is a master teaching Freestyle to a guy fully transitioned into freestyle being even more open to a change in wrestling styles. It just shows you how hard it is to incorporate completely new things.

 

[GoHawks1996]

Many seek it. The problem is developing it to the point you really are good at it and then, and this is the BIGGEST PART, feeling comfortable enough to use it in a match.

There was a great tweet a little while back by Alec Pantaleo:
After three years of practicing it I finally hit a textbook “Belogazov outside step throw” in live wrestling. #delayedGratification


I mean he practiced it for a long time and has now hit a good one 1 time in a match. Mind you, this is a master teaching Freestyle to a guy fully transitioned into freestyle being even more open to a change in wrestling styles. It just shows you how hard it is to incorporate completely new things.

I remember practicing a move hundreds of times and thinking I had it down.. then once it came to wrestling in a real match it was a whole different ballgame.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Eierman doesn’t have a history of freak outs. Not that there’s anything worth with freaking out once in a while.

 

[mizzoufan90]

Eierman doesn’t have a history of freak outs. Not that there’s anything worth with freaking out once in a while.

I freakout when I taste tequila.

 

[Redm18]

I remember practicing a move hundreds of times and thinking I had it down.. then once it came to wrestling in a real match it was a whole different ballgame.

I was about as far from an elite wrestler you can be but I could not agree more. I remember hearing you had to hit a move 1,000 times at least before it starts to feel comfortable. That's against fish. There are no fish in college wrestling. The worst wrestlers where multiple time high school state qualifiers. Also it's not the move it's the setup to the move that is the hard part.

 

[nitlion6]

From what Ive seen his opponents have taken a very strict approach this year. They do not shoot for his legs at all and wait on him to initiate action. Eiermann will make you pay if you attack but for whatever reason this year he seems off on his blast double and slide bys. I have to believe something physically has been holding him back this year. I am hoping the break here will help him heal and deal with the approach others are taking this year. I will continue to believe he will be NCAA champ til he gets defeated there.

Till he gets defeated there. He is 4 for 4, a perfect score and you still believe he is an NCAA champ?

 

[Iowabandwagon]

Till he gets defeated there. He is 4 for 4, a perfect score and you still believe he is an NCAA champ?

How can he hit for the cycle without a home run?

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

There are no fish in college wrestling.

Caleb Fish, 165 for MSU, begs to differ.

 

[Redm18]

Caleb Fish, 165 for MSU, begs to differ.

A four-year letter winner at Eaton Rapids High School for coach Joe Barry ... A two-time state champion, winning title at 160 pounds with 46-0 record, ending high school career with nearly 190 wins, with over half of them coming via falls ...

 

[IAChief32]

A four-year letter winner at Eaton Rapids High School for coach Joe Barry ... A two-time state champion, winning title at 160 pounds with 46-0 record, ending high school career with nearly 190 wins, with over half of them coming via falls ...

Still a Fish.

 

[roeisele]

I am not disagreeing with you, but I find this incredible. Why WOULDN'T a high level wrestler seek to develop more tools for the tool bag?

I have been surprised to see a number of wrestlers really not develop other "go to" moves to complement their established strengths...but it happens often as you say.

It's like a professional pitcher honing his pitches. At a really high level your stuff has to be incredibly good to work because of the level of competition. A high end wrestler or pitcher has more attacks than what you see in competition they just might get clobbered by the best opponents (although they would work perfectly well at lower levels. Being the best of the best ain't easy and the higher you get there aren't any "easy" opponents

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

It's like a professional pitcher honing his pitches. At a really high level your stuff has to be incredibly good to work because of the level of competition. A high end wrestler or pitcher has more attacks than what you see in competition they just might get clobbered by the best opponents (although they would work perfectly well at lower levels. Being the best of the best ain't easy and the higher you get there aren't any "easy" opponents

I am sure you are right...but it still puzzles me that someone that participates in high level practices for hundreds of hours per year and is trained by world renowned coaches can't add an extra move or two to their arsenal. Oh well.

 

[GoHawks1996]

I am sure you are right...but it still puzzles me that someone that participates in high level practices for hundreds of hours per year and is trained by world renowned coaches can't add an extra move or two to their arsenal. Oh well.

We have seen some extra moves put in by guys, you just don't see it as often as you'd like.

Max's slick takedown where he grabs both ankles comes to mind, he didn't used to do that a year or two ago.

 

[armbartilt]

I am sure you are right...but it still puzzles me that someone that participates in high level practices for hundreds of hours per year and is trained by world renowned coaches can't add an extra move or two to their arsenal. Oh well.

Brandon Sorenson 4x AA once said to me. "Yeah they all know my sweep single is coming, but you still got to stop it." Not a lot of people could.
Jordan Boroughs is mostly double and snap go behind. pretty binary for a a superstar.

IMHO it is the set up. The set up is more important than the shot.