Ellingson v. Moss v. Dailey

[HellaHawk]

Barring injury, I feel like there are only minutes available for one backup SG to Peter Jok, at least in the games that aren't blowouts. (We may also play three guard lineups at times with Jok at SF.). So how does Fran divide his minutes among his three backup SG? I think you can make a case for any of them.

Ellingson has to be the favorite at this point, but he also did well in the preseason last year, only to get benched later in the season. Obviously, he had a great game last night. But that was against a team that didn't really bother to defend the three point line. Like Josh Ogelsby before him, Ellingson is a player that struggles to get his own shot because of his height and athleticism. Will he improve in that aspect of the game or will get passed up by one of the two Freshman?

Moss has a lot of potential, but he is still trying to do too much. Reminds me a bit of Jok as a Freshman. Gets up a lot of shots in a hurry. If he can learn to play under control, he might win the backup role. I think he clearly has a higher ceiling than Ellingson so it would probably be a good thing if he did become the backup. We are going to need a multi-faceted SG to replace Jok next year.

In some ways, Dailey has played better than Moss. He got 6 points on 3 shots yesterday. Moss got 8 on 13 shots. But Dailey also looks a bit lost at times. Given that he has been in the program for less time than Moss, its quite possible that his trajectory means that he passes Moss up during the season and Ellingson.

Obviously, a key factor in determining who wins these minutes is how often they make 3 pointers. So far Ellingson is winning that battle. Fran will play you if you make threes. There are no union cards in Iowa basketball. Having three players to choose from gives Fran some latitude in playing the hot hand. Let's hope at least one of them can shoot 38% from three this year while playing adequate defense and not turning the ball over.

 

[BBHawk]

All 3 will get the chance to play, with the hot hand staying in. That is how McC rolls with this kind of situation.

 

[hawksense]

From the Coach's mouth, he gave a ringing endorsement to Ellingson after the SS game.

He also had nice things to say about Dailey, but Ellingson has been in the program for 2 years and knows where to be and what to do. He still has to do those things to stay in the rotation, but his experience keeps him a step ahead. He'll simply have to be outplayed to lose any ground.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

If Ellingson really turns the corner into the shooter he was recruited to be he'll eat up the majority of those minutes. If not each of those kids will get minutes based on situation and shooting thermal dynamics.

I had two guys that know shooters tell me that Brady was the best shooter they'd ever seen in HS. I'm still waiting for that shooter. If it clicks this year we might be able to really rain 'em from deep. Jok & the Ursus Horribilis are already good at the three ball and I don't think you can cheat too far off CW.

 

[Buffalo43]

Barring injury, I feel like there are only minutes available for one backup SG to Peter Jok, at least in the games that aren't blowouts. (We may also play three guard lineups at times with Jok at SF.). So how does Fran divide his minutes among his three backup SG? I think you can make a case for any of them.

Ellingson has to be the favorite at this point, but he also did well in the preseason last year, only to get benched later in the season. Obviously, he had a great game last night. But that was against a team that didn't really bother to defend the three point line. Like Josh Ogelsby before him, Ellingson is a player that struggles to get his own shot because of his height and athleticism. Will he improve in that aspect of the game or will get passed up by one of the two Freshman?

Moss has a lot of potential, but he is still trying to do too much. Reminds me a bit of Jok as a Freshman. Gets up a lot of shots in a hurry. If he can learn to play under control, he might win the backup role. I think he clearly has a higher ceiling than Ellingson so it would probably be a good thing if he did become the backup. We are going to need a multi-faceted SG to replace Jok next year.

In some ways, Dailey has played better than Moss. He got 6 points on 3 shots yesterday. Moss got 8 on 13 shots. But Dailey also looks a bit lost at times. Given that he has been in the program for less time than Moss, its quite possible that his trajectory means that he passes Moss up during the season and Ellingson.

Obviously, a key factor in determining who wins these minutes is how often they make 3 pointers. So far Ellingson is winning that battle. Fran will play you if you make threes. There are no union cards in Iowa basketball. Having three players to choose from gives Fran some latitude in playing the hot hand. Let's hope at least one of them can shoot 38% from three this year while playing adequate defense and not turning the ball over.

I disagree with the Josh O comparison I have seen Brady drive the ball and have a short game in the paint as well

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

I disagree with the Josh O comparison I have seen Brady drive the ball and have a short game in the paint as well

I must be looking at the same games you have as I see it the same. I wrote this in another thread and also mentioned this isn't last year's team. We have players that can post up and also pass, last year teams played woody one on one in the post. If they do this with Cook, Pemsyl , or Kriener I think we win most of those battles, to me they look like finishers in the post, we'll see but if and when they double someone like Brady could flourish when the ball gets kicked out to them on the perimeter. Something to watch for next game

 

[Jonnymungo]

Barring injury, I feel like there are only minutes available for one backup SG to Peter Jok, at least in the games that aren't blowouts. (We may also play three guard lineups at times with Jok at SF.). So how does Fran divide his minutes among his three backup SG? I think you can make a case for any of them.

Ellingson has to be the favorite at this point, but he also did well in the preseason last year, only to get benched later in the season. Obviously, he had a great game last night. But that was against a team that didn't really bother to defend the three point line. Like Josh Ogelsby before him, Ellingson is a player that struggles to get his own shot because of his height and athleticism. Will he improve in that aspect of the game or will get passed up by one of the two Freshman?

Moss has a lot of potential, but he is still trying to do too much. Reminds me a bit of Jok as a Freshman. Gets up a lot of shots in a hurry. If he can learn to play under control, he might win the backup role. I think he clearly has a higher ceiling than Ellingson so it would probably be a good thing if he did become the backup. We are going to need a multi-faceted SG to replace Jok next year.

In some ways, Dailey has played better than Moss. He got 6 points on 3 shots yesterday. Moss got 8 on 13 shots. But Dailey also looks a bit lost at times. Given that he has been in the program for less time than Moss, its quite possible that his trajectory means that he passes Moss up during the season and Ellingson.

Obviously, a key factor in determining who wins these minutes is how often they make 3 pointers. So far Ellingson is winning that battle. Fran will play you if you make threes. There are no union cards in Iowa basketball. Having three players to choose from gives Fran some latitude in playing the hot hand. Let's hope at least one of them can shoot 38% from three this year while playing adequate defense and not turning the ball over.

Good post. I like the cut of your jib.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I hope Ellingson has turned the corner. I'm quick to cut the cords on players that can't handle the pressure. It's not a personal thing but I have been on teams that waited and waited for those types of players to figure it out and it never worked. I always felt bad for those players but it hardened my resolve to it.

 

[StormHawk42]

I just hope Moss and Dailey have the patience to stick it out. The potential is there. Just hope they can see past this year.

 

[hawk-i bob]

its clear to me that we have a Fran 9 man rotation which includes BE.
Williams/Bohannon
Jok/Ellingson
Baer
Uhl/Pemsl
Cook/Wagner

We have 4 guys who will battle for 10th man minutes. Moss/Dailey/Kriener/Jones(that's a pretty talented group)...all 4 could see time based on our competition's makeup. But for the most part "spot" time.

 

[CanadaHawk]

its clear to me that we have a Fran 9 man rotation which includes BE.
Williams/Bohannon
Jok/Ellingson
Baer
Uhl/Pemsl
Cook/Wagner

We have 4 guys who will battle for 10th man minutes. Moss/Dailey/Kriener/Jones(that's a pretty talented group)...all 4 could see time based on our competition's makeup. But for the most part "spot" time.

You're right, that's where it stands now. But if Moss' and Dailey's potential are greater than BE, if we end up needing Kriener's rebounding, if Jones gets healthy and we need him when the freshmen hit walls, that could change as the season goes on.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Barring injury, I feel like there are only minutes available for one backup SG to Peter Jok, at least in the games that aren't blowouts. (We may also play three guard lineups at times with Jok at SF.). So how does Fran divide his minutes among his three backup SG? I think you can make a case for any of them.

Ellingson has to be the favorite at this point, but he also did well in the preseason last year, only to get benched later in the season. Obviously, he had a great game last night. But that was against a team that didn't really bother to defend the three point line. Like Josh Ogelsby before him, Ellingson is a player that struggles to get his own shot because of his height and athleticism. Will he improve in that aspect of the game or will get passed up by one of the two Freshman?

Moss has a lot of potential, but he is still trying to do too much. Reminds me a bit of Jok as a Freshman. Gets up a lot of shots in a hurry. If he can learn to play under control, he might win the backup role. I think he clearly has a higher ceiling than Ellingson so it would probably be a good thing if he did become the backup. We are going to need a multi-faceted SG to replace Jok next year.

In some ways, Dailey has played better than Moss. He got 6 points on 3 shots yesterday. Moss got 8 on 13 shots. But Dailey also looks a bit lost at times. Given that he has been in the program for less time than Moss, its quite possible that his trajectory means that he passes Moss up during the season and Ellingson.

Obviously, a key factor in determining who wins these minutes is how often they make 3 pointers. So far Ellingson is winning that battle. Fran will play you if you make threes. There are no union cards in Iowa basketball. Having three players to choose from gives Fran some latitude in playing the hot hand. Let's hope at least one of them can shoot 38% from three this year while playing adequate defense and not turning the ball over.

The three seem to be fairly even at this point. But I think Dailey has the most potential. He is the most athletic, and has the best ball handling skills. Plus he is just a freshman, and not in his 2nd or 3rd year of being in the program...

So, if we are voting, my choice is for the future with Dailey.

That said, I think all three could play a role on this team. We may need some 3pt shots to help spread the floor, or we may need the best defender, or we may need the best ball handler. Whoever has that hot hand should play. But I say Dailey has the potential to be efficient in all of those categories. We will see.

 

[DanHawkPella]

Likely will come down to Jones or Kriener for those remaining minutes. If Jones gets healthy, gets in shape, and plays smarter, he can win that, but otherwise Kriener's length and rebounding while still being able to hit the face up 15 footer would be nice too. We have enough guards considering Bohannon will play at the SG a little anyway.

 

[hawk-i bob]

You're right, that's where it stands now. But if Moss' and Dailey's potential are greater than BE, if we end up needing Kriener's rebounding, if Jones gets healthy and we need him when the freshmen hit walls, that could change as the season goes on.

IMO at this point Ellingson is playing better than Moss or Dailey and will need to continue to do so to hold his spot....so yes IF he doesn't that opens the door for Moss or Dailey. One problem both may have is getting on the floor in these early games like Seton Hall...hard to impress when you are not playing...we shall see. Make no mistake I'm pulling for all 3 but all 3 can't play....this year that is.

The goal is to win today..

Ya both Kriener & Jones add depth...but for now I don't see either playing over Cook,Uhl,Wagner or Pemsl..

I do see a spot that calls for taking over the 10th spot as a backup to Baer...IF...I had to guess...IMO it would be Moss.

Williams/Bohannon
Jok/Ellingson
Baer/Moss
Uhl/Pemsl
Cook/Wagner

 

[CanadaHawk]

IMO at this point Ellingson is playing better than Moss or Dailey and will need to continue to do so to hold his spot....so yes IF he doesn't that opens the door for Moss or Dailey. One problem both may have is getting on the floor in these early games like Seton Hall...hard to impress when you are not playing...we shall see. Make no mistake I'm pulling for all 3 but all 3 can't play....this year that is.

The goal is to win today..

Ya both Kriener & Jones add depth...but for now I don't see either playing over Cook,Uhl,Wagner or Pemsl..

I do see a spot that calls for taking over the 10th spot as a backup to Baer...IF...I had to guess...IMO it would be Moss.

Williams/Bohannon
Jok/Ellingson
Baer/Moss
Uhl/Pemsl
Cook/Wagner

Definitely see what you're saying. Going forward, I have concerns about BE being able to fill a role in the rotation vs more athletic teams, as many do. Actually think that Moss is the most athletic guard on the team, with most scoring potential. Since BE is slotted to fill that O-off-the-bench role right now, I'd see Moss as the next in line. However, I feel Dailey will be the more complete guard.

As far as the frontcourt, with Jones' knee swelling, I don't see him playing any role until later in the season when the freshmen may falter and need backup. We may see as early as Thursday if Kriener's rebounding is going to be necessary on this team.

 

[hawki1968]

Nobody could possibly get less credit for a 21 point half than BE. It's amazing. If Moss had done the same, there'd be calls for him to be starting.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

IMO at this point Ellingson is playing better than Moss or Dailey and will need to continue to do so to hold his spot....so yes IF he doesn't that opens the door for Moss or Dailey. One problem both may have is getting on the floor in these early games like Seton Hall...hard to impress when you are not playing...we shall see. Make no mistake I'm pulling for all 3 but all 3 can't play....this year that is.

The goal is to win today..

Ya both Kriener & Jones add depth...but for now I don't see either playing over Cook,Uhl,Wagner or Pemsl..

I do see a spot that calls for taking over the 10th spot as a backup to Baer...IF...I had to guess...IMO it would be Moss.

Williams/Bohannon
Jok/Ellingson
Baer/Moss
Uhl/Pemsl
Cook/Wagner

Agree with Bob and Canada above. It's very early on with this BB season but in the games I've watched, I am already seeing key players getting banged up a bit. Bryant had to come out of the game for IU against Arizona with a problem. He did come back in but it initially looked like an ankle. And the announcers in that game made the comment how players were getting banged up early but they didn't expand on this?

Iowa is waiting on Jones to get better, Kriener has been out already with an ankle problem, so was Brady and Jok had a flu bug against Savannah St. Plus CW has some back problems which scares me?

Point is with the intensity of play these days....you are going to need and want those extra players who can be the next man in just like in football. And play at a high level as the player they are replacing.

Things happen to players (ask John Groce) and we've already seen a lot of what happens with Iowa and it's only November.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Definitely see what you're saying. Going forward, I have concerns about BE being able to fill a role in the rotation vs more athletic teams, as many do. Actually think that Moss is the most athletic guard on the team, with most scoring potential. Since BE is slotted to fill that O-off-the-bench role right now, I'd see Moss as the next in line. However, I feel Dailey will be the more complete guard.

As far as the frontcourt, with Jones' knee swelling, I don't see him playing any role until later in the season when the freshmen may falter and need backup. We may see as early as Thursday if Kriener's rebounding is going to be necessary on this team.

I agree...it certainly is fair to say we have not seen (even close) the potential that Moss & Dailey can bring...and for sure Ellingson isn't going to get a free pass this year...he needs to play solid. I agree can easily see Moss replacing Jok next year...with Ellingson as "his" backup.

I'd would love to see Moss get some time backing up Baer...a Wiilliams-Jok-Moss combo would be interesting.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

IMO at this point Ellingson is playing better than Moss or Dailey and will need to continue to do so to hold his spot....so yes IF he doesn't that opens the door for Moss or Dailey. One problem both may have is getting on the floor in these early games like Seton Hall...hard to impress when you are not playing...we shall see. Make no mistake I'm pulling for all 3 but all 3 can't play....this year that is.

The goal is to win today..

Ya both Kriener & Jones add depth...but for now I don't see either playing over Cook,Uhl,Wagner or Pemsl..

I do see a spot that calls for taking over the 10th spot as a backup to Baer...IF...I had to guess...IMO it would be Moss.

Williams/Bohannon
Jok/Ellingson
Baer/Moss
Uhl/Pemsl
Cook/Wagner

Yes I agree unless you move Wagner down to the 3 or Jones and put Kriener at the 5 ??

 

[hawk-i bob]

Nobody could possibly get less credit for a 21 point half than BE. It's amazing. If Moss had done the same, there'd be calls for him to be starting.

understand....but I did give him Co-MVP last game....I think some are preferring what is seen as better potential in Moss or Dailey....I think Ellingson is playing better for now than either but I also know we have not seen the best of Moss or Dailey.

One thing for sure ...we didn't see the Ellingson is no better than D2 posts.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Nobody could possibly get less credit for a 21 point half than BE. It's amazing. If Moss had done the same, there'd be calls for him to be starting.

That's because this is his 3rd year vs Moss's as 1st. It's not hard to understand.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Yes I agree unless you move Wagner down to the 3 or Jones and put Kriener at the 5 ??

this is just me and from a very little time standpoint (2 games)...I don't think Kriener is ready. I'm sure his ankle didn't help...not saying he wont be...but don't see him passing Cook / Uhl / Wagner / or Pemsl in terms of PT.

sure...Wagner can play some 3...but I really think that Baer backup would allow Fran to continue to spot PT toward Moss or Dailey..

all of this means Fran has done a pretty decent job in recruiting..guys that fit & have talent.

 

[RocknRollface]

Definitely see what you're saying. Going forward, I have concerns about BE being able to fill a role in the rotation vs more athletic teams, as many do. Actually think that Moss is the most athletic guard on the team, with most scoring potential. Since BE is slotted to fill that O-off-the-bench role right now, I'd see Moss as the next in line. However, I feel Dailey will be the more complete guard.

As far as the frontcourt, with Jones' knee swelling, I don't see him playing any role until later in the season when the freshmen may falter and need backup. We may see as early as Thursday if Kriener's rebounding is going to be necessary on this team.

Moss and Daily are both very athletic. Moss has allot more scoring ability at this point IMO, while Daily is a better passer.

Both seem to have along way to grasping team defense.

 

[eyeohuh]

Brady looked better than both. It's Brady's job to lose and so far I see why. I think ppl compare him to Oglesby because they look similar but I think Brady is more than just a 3 shooter. If Dailey isn't going to play he should RS

 

[hawki1968]

That's because this is his 3rd year vs Moss's as 1st. It's not hard to understand.

You're right, it is not: A 21 point half is a monumental accomplishment. Look up the names of who have done it in the HISTORY of Iowa Hawkeye basketball.

And this is Moss's second year, not first.

Moss has a ton of potential, but he has no clue when to shoot and when to pass. I hope he figures it out, but he hasn't at this point.

I'd just like a kid, like BE, to get credit when credit is due.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

this is just me and from a very little time standpoint (2 games)...I don't think Kriener is ready. I'm sure his ankle didn't help...not saying he wont be...but don't see him passing Cook / Uhl / Wagner / or Pemsl in terms of PT.

sure...Wagner can play some 3...but I really think that Baer backup would allow Fran to continue to spot PT toward Moss or Dailey..

all of this means Fran has done a pretty decent job in recruiting..guys that fit & have talent.

This is why I am excited about this team and no one is really sure how it will all work out. I like the athleticism of both Moss and Dailey and hope that they get numerous opportunities this year to show what they can do to help this team win. I'm also hoping for BE to play great and score regularly, which will give both guys more playing time and experience. Kriener isn't as far along as either Pemsyl or Cook but that being said even with a wobbly ankle has a good knack from what I've see getting up on the boards as well as having a nice touch putting the ball in the hoop from almost anywhere on the floor but you're definitely right he is behind the other freshman bigs ... for now, . I'm not expecting a win Thursday but equally not expecting a loss either, can't make it to the game Thursday I don't think but it's all set on the DVR. Stay tuned

 

[ScoutRefugee]

You're right, it is not: A 21 point half is a monumental accomplishment. Look up the names of who have done it in the HISTORY of Iowa Hawkeye basketball.

And this is Moss's second year, not first.

Moss has a ton of potential, but he has no clue when to shoot and when to pass. I hope he figures it out, but he hasn't at this point.

I'd just like a kid, like BE, to get credit when credit is due.

First year of playing.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

You're right, it is not: A 21 point half is a monumental accomplishment. Look up the names of who have done it in the HISTORY of Iowa Hawkeye basketball.

And this is Moss's second year, not first.

Moss has a ton of potential, but he has no clue when to shoot and when to pass. I hope he figures it out, but he hasn't at this point.

I'd just like a kid, like BE, to get credit when credit is due.

Yep, BE played great, please continue maybe 22 next half. I think he will seriously have many more double digit scoring games this year, but I also felt that way last year. This team though has a better inside game it seems so I am more encouraged he will this year score more often.
As for Moss I think he is playing a lot like Jok freshman year but with better hops and not quite as good a shot from deep, but it isn't night and day difference either.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

You're right, it is not: A 21 point half is a monumental accomplishment. Look up the names of who have done it in the HISTORY of Iowa Hawkeye basketball.

And this is Moss's second year, not first.

Moss has a ton of potential, but he has no clue when to shoot and when to pass. I hope he figures it out, but he hasn't at this point.

I'd just like a kid, like BE, to get credit when credit is due.

And in fairness, I'm not sold on Moss either. Or Dailey even. A 21 pt half is commendable but it came from a streaky 3 pt shooter. You know what happens when a streaky 3 pt shooter has a game like that? It encourages them to throw up more 3 pt shots. It's fine if they are hitting them but when they aren't, they can bury your team with a lot of empty possessions and kill the offensive flow of the game.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

First year of playing.

BE also red shifted his first year so actually Year 1 vs. Year 2 , or Year 2 vs. Year 3.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

BE also red shifted his first year so actually Year 1 vs. Year 2 , or Year 2 vs. Year 3.

A re you sure? I thought I recalled BE playing a few minutes his first season. You could be right. I'll have to check that. My memory isn't what it used to be
Edit: BE is a JR and played in 7 games as a TR FR. So, this is his 3 rd year according to his bio.

 

[hawki1968]

BE is a red shirt sophomore. Moss is a red shirt freshmen.

He got a medical red shirt because of injuries in year 1; he miss all of PTL that year and was shut down early that year.

Here is the thing with BE and me: People talk a lot about potential and that BE doesn't have it.

I simply disagree.

To me, he has the potential to be very dependable outside marksman in the same way McCausland was long ago, except a better passer and ball handler.

I just love his shot from a technical standpoint; it is a simply gorgeous release. Neither Daily or Moss have the potential that BE has to be a 45% 3 point shooter. That's what I see in him, and I hope to see more of it in the future.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Kreiner's size and rebounding will be needed at times this season. He does need to get stronger tho, which is normal for most freshmen.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

BE is a red shirt sophomore. Moss is a red shirt freshmen.

He got a medical red shirt because of injuries in year 1; he miss all of PTL that year and was shut down early that year.

Here is the thing with BE and me: People talk a lot about potential and that BE doesn't have it.

I simply disagree.

To me, he has the potential to be very dependable outside marksman in the same way McCausland was long ago, except a better passer and ball handler.

I just love his shot from a technical standpoint; it is a simply gorgeous release. Neither Daily or Moss have the potential that BE has to be a 45% 3 point shooter. That's what I see in him, and I hope to see more of it in the future.

I do agree with you about BE, this year and the next he will be with his skills in the right place and on a team with the personnel to accomplish this IMO.
What I disagree with you is on that neither Moss or Dailey have less potential to shoot as well in games as they may have better potential to get to the rim giving opponents more pause to play them tight hence they get more open opportunities to shoot from 3. I like all of them for different reasons but none more than another. Still you have to decide in which order to let it play out and like Fran I would start with experience which Brady has and if it isn't working move to the next which would be Moss, and then Dailey. Produce or move down in the order.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

BE is a red shirt sophomore. Moss is a red shirt freshmen.

He got a medical red shirt because of injuries in year 1; he miss all of PTL that year and was shut down early that year.

Here is the thing with BE and me: People talk a lot about potential and that BE doesn't have it.

I simply disagree.

To me, he has the potential to be very dependable outside marksman in the same way McCausland was long ago, except a better passer and ball handler.

I just love his shot from a technical standpoint; it is a simply gorgeous release. Neither Daily or Moss have the potential that BE has to be a 45% 3 point shooter. That's what I see in him, and I hope to see more of it in the future.

I didn't realize that. We'll have to see how he does. I'm pulling for every player. I hope they all succeed. It's too bad it doesn't always work out that way.

 

[StormHawk42]

Brady looked better than both. It's Brady's job to lose and so far I see why. I think ppl compare him to Oglesby because they look similar but I think Brady is more than just a 3 shooter. If Dailey isn't going to play he should RS

Dailey can't redshirt anymore. Didn't want to anyways.

 

[HellaHawk]

I wouldn't say Ellingson is not getting credit. It seems like most in this thread recognize that he deserves to be the primary backup right now. And he deserves tons of praise for putting up 22 points in our last game. However, he did put up 20 points last year against bad competition, only to sputter when we started playing against tougher competition. Not to mention, he has been in the program longer, especially when compared to Dailey. Thus, it would not be too surprising if he got passed up this year. However, I do think some of us (myself included) probably underestimated his likelihood of getting minutes this season.

Fran is a very fair coach so I think he will play the players that deserve to play. Right now, its Brady, but he isn't going to keep his minutes if Moss or Dailey start to outplay him consistently in practice. I don't really care who wins the job. I just want whoever gets those minutes to be able to consistently make baskets, play decent defense, and not turn the ball over.

I hope that we have several more blowouts this season so we can get to see plenty of all three.

 

[hawksense]

Essentially, we all want the best players to rise above and help the team get better.

We all have our favorite players, for better or worse. Sometimes, you can't even explain why you want Player 1 to play over Player 2. But if Player 2 is playing better ball and making the rest of the team better, I don't care who is playing!!

And we all want everyone to develop and develop quickly. We want them to reach their potential (or our expectations).

Doesn't always happen that way. My feeling has been that if you stick around the team, in any sport, you'll get your chance. And with 13 bodies, when it's your turn, you better make it count.

 

[HawkLogic]

Nobody could possibly get less credit for a 21 point half than BE. It's amazing. If Moss had done the same, there'd be calls for him to be starting.

B.E. went off early last year and then his shot disappeared. I'm with an earlier poster...I don't think team is better off to wait out a shooter to get over his yips like Fran did with Ogelsby. Cut bait early.

Between the three guards, whomever makes shots plays...the guy that bricks out the season is probably a transfer.

 

[Buffalo43]

Brady also plays a good floor game which is very valuable with all the youth we have