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At Virginia Tech the shooter killed 32 people and wounded 17 with handguns.
I think that is still the 'record'.

Cho used two pistols during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun
 
At Virginia Tech the shooter killed 32 people and wounded 17 with handguns.
I think that is still the 'record'.

Cho used two pistols during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun
Thanks for convincing me that universal background checks are the way to go for owning guns.
 
Thanks for convincing me that universal background checks are the way to go for owning guns.
We don't institutionalize enough of the nutters.

Cho had previously been diagnosed with selective mutism and severe depression. During much of his middle school and high school years, he received therapy and special education support. After graduating from high school, Cho enrolled at Virginia Tech. Because of federal privacy laws, the university was unaware of Cho's previous diagnoses or the accommodations he had been granted at school. In 2005, Cho was accused of stalking two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally ill and ordered him to attend treatment. Because he was not institutionalized, he was allowed to purchase guns. The shooting prompted the state of Virginia to close legal loopholes that had allowed individuals adjudicated as mentally unsound to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). It also led to passage of the only major federal gun control measure in the U.S. since 1994. The law strengthening the NICS was signed by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2008.

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Since the deinstitutionalization movement of the 1960s, civil commitment in the United States almost always requires a finding of dangerousness -- both imminent and physical -- as determined by a judge. Most of the rest of the world has more reasonable standards -- you might almost call them "common sense" -- allowing family, friends and even acquaintances to petition for involuntarily commitment, with the final decision made by doctors.
The result of our laissez-faire approach to dangerous psychotics is visible in the swarms of homeless people on our streets, crazy people in our prison populations and the prevalence of mass shootings.
According to a 2002 report by Central Institute of Mental Health for the European Union, the number of involuntarily detained mental patients, per 100,000 people, in other countries looks like this:

  • Austria, 175
  • Finland, 218
  • Germany, 175
  • Sweden, 114
  • England, 93
The absolute maximum number of mental patients per 100,000 people who could possibly be institutionalized by the state in the U.S. -- voluntarily or involuntarily -- is: 17. Yes, according to the Treatment Advocacy Center, there are a grand total of 17 psychiatric beds even available, not necessarily being used. In 1955, there were 340.
 
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We don't institutionalize enough of the nutters.

Cho had previously been diagnosed with selective mutism and severe depression. During much of his middle school and high school years, he received therapy and special education support. After graduating from high school, Cho enrolled at Virginia Tech. Because of federal privacy laws, the university was unaware of Cho's previous diagnoses or the accommodations he had been granted at school. In 2005, Cho was accused of stalking two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally ill and ordered him to attend treatment. Because he was not institutionalized, he was allowed to purchase guns. The shooting prompted the state of Virginia to close legal loopholes that had allowed individuals adjudicated as mentally unsound to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). It also led to passage of the only major federal gun control measure in the U.S. since 1994. The law strengthening the NICS was signed by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2008.

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Since the deinstitutionalization movement of the 1960s, civil commitment in the United States almost always requires a finding of dangerousness -- both imminent and physical -- as determined by a judge. Most of the rest of the world has more reasonable standards -- you might almost call them "common sense" -- allowing family, friends and even acquaintances to petition for involuntarily commitment, with the final decision made by doctors.
The result of our laissez-faire approach to dangerous psychotics is visible in the swarms of homeless people on our streets, crazy people in our prison populations and the prevalence of mass shootings.
According to a 2002 report by Central Institute of Mental Health for the European Union, the number of involuntarily detained mental patients, per 100,000 people, in other countries looks like this:

  • Austria, 175
  • Finland, 218
  • Germany, 175
  • Sweden, 114
  • England, 93
The absolute maximum number of mental patients per 100,000 people who could possibly be institutionalized by the state in the U.S. -- voluntarily or involuntarily -- is: 17. Yes, according to the Treatment Advocacy Center, there are a grand total of 17 psychiatric beds even available, not necessarily being used. In 1955, there were 340.
No disagreement from me on that either.
 
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Chime in and talk. But you know it's true. Everybody ignores New York and Chicago.
Bro, I’ve been talking. I’ve posted numerous times in the past about Tallahassee and New York. You’re just further making the point that things need to change.
 
At Virginia Tech the shooter killed 32 people and wounded 17 with handguns.
I think that is still the 'record'.

Cho used two pistols during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun

High capacity magazines with easy/quick reload. The victims were identifiable at least.

Is your point that a Glock 19 is comparable to an AR-15?
 
No they don't. They point to Chicago and NY as reasons for NATIONAL policies rather than state and local ones that can be circumvented by driving a few miles.

You knew that, right?
Also, the things they say about Chicago and NY aren't even true. Chicago isn't even in the top 25 for gun related homicides in the country.
 
No they don't. They point to Chicago and NY as reasons for NATIONAL policies rather than state and local ones that can be circumvented by driving a few miles.

You knew that, right?
Typical mindset of a Dem:
1. Avoid responsibility
2. Blame someone else
3. Claim big brother is necessary
Problem never actually addressed 🍻
 
States with the most lax gun laws have the most gun deaths.

Lots of real data points to the need for significant gun reform but the blockheads will continue to keep up the "but Chicago" propaganda.
 
States with the most lax gun laws have the most gun deaths.

Lots of real data points to the need for significant gun reform but the blockheads will continue to keep up the "but Chicago" propaganda.
What about Maine, Vermont, NH? What makes them different than the states you’re discussing? Hint: look at demographics
 
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High capacity magazines with easy/quick reload. The victims were identifiable at least.

Is your point that a Glock 19 is comparable to an AR-15?
Cho demonstrated a rifle isn’t necessary to slaughter people inside a building. A handgun can do the trick.
Need more clarification?
 
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We don't institutionalize enough of the nutters.

Cho had previously been diagnosed with selective mutism and severe depression. During much of his middle school and high school years, he received therapy and special education support. After graduating from high school, Cho enrolled at Virginia Tech. Because of federal privacy laws, the university was unaware of Cho's previous diagnoses or the accommodations he had been granted at school. In 2005, Cho was accused of stalking two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally ill and ordered him to attend treatment. Because he was not institutionalized, he was allowed to purchase guns. The shooting prompted the state of Virginia to close legal loopholes that had allowed individuals adjudicated as mentally unsound to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). It also led to passage of the only major federal gun control measure in the U.S. since 1994. The law strengthening the NICS was signed by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2008.

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Since the deinstitutionalization movement of the 1960s, civil commitment in the United States almost always requires a finding of dangerousness -- both imminent and physical -- as determined by a judge. Most of the rest of the world has more reasonable standards -- you might almost call them "common sense" -- allowing family, friends and even acquaintances to petition for involuntarily commitment, with the final decision made by doctors.
The result of our laissez-faire approach to dangerous psychotics is visible in the swarms of homeless people on our streets, crazy people in our prison populations and the prevalence of mass shootings.
According to a 2002 report by Central Institute of Mental Health for the European Union, the number of involuntarily detained mental patients, per 100,000 people, in other countries looks like this:

  • Austria, 175
  • Finland, 218
  • Germany, 175
  • Sweden, 114
  • England, 93
The absolute maximum number of mental patients per 100,000 people who could possibly be institutionalized by the state in the U.S. -- voluntarily or involuntarily -- is: 17. Yes, according to the Treatment Advocacy Center, there are a grand total of 17 psychiatric beds even available, not necessarily being used. In 1955, there were 340.

This is definitely something that needs to be addressed. Are you willing to help pay for institutionalizing more people? This money will need to come from somewhere. It is easy to say we need to lock up more people, but most people balk when it comes to paying for this.

Also, this will help with those “nutters” that have already been identified. What can we do to try and limit the impact the “nutters” can have who have not been identified? Make it harder for them to acquire weapons they can use to kill other people? There is not one solution to this issue.
 
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Cho demonstrated a rifle isn’t necessary to slaughter people inside a building. A handgun can do the trick.
Need more clarification?

Which one would you rather be shot with? What would have been the death count had Cho used an AR-15? The VTU shooting was only 9 minutes and he fired more than 170 rounds. The Dayton shooter, last year, killed 9 people and fired 41 shots in 30 seconds. AR-15.

In a typical handgun injury, which I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ such as the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, gray bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.

I was looking at a CT scan of one of the mass-shooting victims from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. Nothing was left to repair—and utterly, devastatingly, nothing could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.


 
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