Every P5 team can play their way in by going 13-0.
G5 teams don't belong, whether they like it or not.
G5 teams don't belong, whether they like it or not.
Every P5 team can play their way in by going 13-0.
G5 teams don't belong, whether they like it or not.
I think most Iowa fans would admit that losing in the last minute in the Big Ten championship in 2015 and not making the college football playoff, where we ended up in the Rose Bowl, was a huge letdown. It used to be where if you got to the Rose Bowl, that was huge. Now you only want to get to the Rose Bowl if it's tied to the college football playoff. I'm not sure if you can call the Rose Bowl the granddaddy of them all anymore because the granddaddy would be tied to the college football playoffs.Pick two BCS NC games that had MORE controversy than now?
And do you really think the other bowls games haven't lost some meaning?
I'm not sure if you can call the Rose Bowl the granddaddy of them all anymore because the granddaddy would be tied to the college football playoffs.
If you really think iowa is good enough to be mentioned with the top 4 teams then you need your head examined. The 86 Rose Bowl team is likely the only one talented enough in the modern era to lay that claim. Kirks best team was 2002 and they got thir asses handed to them in front of the world
Disagree, not gonna further the argument, because it's pointless. We will see 8 team playoff sooner than later.Let me put it this way. Northwestern still has a chance to be the B1G conference champion, even with three out of conference losses including to Akron. Even if they won the CCG there is no reason they need to be in the CFP.
i heard it discussed on BTN that a 6 team playoff might work where the top 2 seeds get a bye and the teams seeded 3 thru 6 play the week after the conf championship gamesDisagree, not gonna further the argument, because it's pointless. We will see 8 team playoff sooner than later.
You might be correct. I understand the viewpoint of a tournament that lets these arguments get settled on the field. My opinion is that that over saturates the product and more games become less important. The controversy around who is in the top 4 generates a lot of interest in the sport that is overall positive. Your viewpoint is probably more popular and may win out.Disagree, not gonna further the argument, because it's pointless. We will see 8 team playoff sooner than later.
6 would be better as I would assume every P5 champ is guaranteed a spot, but then you'd only have 1 wild card team. IMO, 8 is the magic number. I may be wrong, but I believe there is some kind of deal in place to keep the format as it is for a pre determined amount of time. Once that timeline ends, implement new playoff system, much like the BCS came to an end. JMO.i heard it discussed on BTN that a 6 team playoff might work where the top 2 seeds get a bye and the teams seeded 3 thru 6 play the week after the conf championship games
but how soon can they expand from 4 to 6 (or 8)?
The week after the conf championship games you could play 4 quarterfinal games with the higher seed hosting; ie,6 would be better as I would assume every P5 champ is guaranteed a spot, but then you'd only have 1 wild card team. IMO, 8 is the magic number. I may be wrong, but I believe there is some kind of deal in place to keep the format as it is for a pre determined amount of time. Once that timeline ends, implement new playoff system, much like the BCS came to an end. JMO.
Or maybe you determine the 8 teams as determined by the CFP Committee? For example, if Purdue won the B1G title, would you want a 3 loss team in? Maybe you do. Would create some "December Delirium," that's for sure.
I don't think Notre Dame should be allowed to be the in playoff until they join a conference. Force them to play by the same rules as everyone else.
Iowa State would be 0-12 against OSU in the last 21 years , PS in the last 20 years Iowa has done quite well against Penn State and Michigan but You only bring up the OSU recordYa, everyone knows the B1G East is stronger, just look at the champions through da years. Hawkeyes got pounded and manhandled by Wisconsin 38-14, so that win against OSU last year does not look repeatable. I think Michigan would take exception to Iowa owning them LOL And Iowa is 2-10 against OSU over da last 21 years.
So make the criteria that no team with more than 1 loss is eligible for the playoff no matter whether its 4 or 8 teams that would keep a 3 loss NW team out.Let me put it this way. Northwestern still has a chance to be the B1G conference champion, even with three out of conference losses including to Akron. Even if they won the CCG there is no reason they need to be in the CFP.
I suppose you could penalize them for never having to play a conference championship game, but oh, we unfortunately set precedent last year with Alabama... so, probably not going to work.
At any rate, Notre Dame's schedule is tougher than most P5 teams so I don't think it makes a ton of sense to keep them out based on not having to play a CCG.
if we win at Penn State, this board is gonna go bonkers with excitement leading up to the reveal of the initial CFP rankingsGetting back to some more short-term speculation... if we win vs. PSU, where will the Hawks appear on the first CFP ranking? I say between 9-11. Maybe behind Kentucky or possibly OSU, but ahead of teams like Wash St. and WVU. I see Florida losing to Georgia. Perfect position for the stretch run.
Man... I just hope we are having that conversation on Monday!
if we win at Penn State, this board is gonna go bonkers with excitement leading up to the reveal of the initial CFP rankings
You might be correct. I understand the viewpoint of a tournament that lets these arguments get settled on the field. My opinion is that that over saturates the product and more games become less important. The controversy around who is in the top 4 generates a lot of interest in the sport that is overall positive. Your viewpoint is probably more popular and may win out.
The B1G being butt hurt over being left out last year doesn’t change the fact that the 4 best teams were in the playoff and the best team was the champion. It might not have been totally fair but it got the correct outcome and some very compelling games.
My problem with the system as it is, is that there are 5 power conferences and four playoff spots. There could be 5 undefeated power conference champs and one of them, by definition has to be declared "unworthy".
I still think we're heading for an eventuality where we get to 4 "super conferences", probably each with 2 8-team divisions. At that point, division winners are effectively in the playoff and the conference championship games serve as the first round. It's going to take some time to get the last independents into conferences and get the P5 to a P4, but it'll happen eventually.
I think it's more likely they'll expand the playoff to 6 or 8 so each P5 champion gets an automatic berth. Then you have 1 or 3 "wildcard" teams. This leaves room for an undefeated G5.
6 team playoff - top 2 get a bye. Bottom 4 have a "week 15" play in. Winners advance and the losers get shuffled into the bowl picture.
It's much simpler to expand the playoff than it is to shuffle conferences.
what i hate, too, is that Notre Dame is a partial ACC conference member for football where the ACC champ AND Notre Dame could make the CFP.My problem with the system as it is, is that there are 5 power conferences and four playoff spots. There could be 5 undefeated power conference champs and one of them, by definition has to be declared "unworthy".
I still think we're heading for an eventuality where we get to 4 "super conferences", probably each with 2 8-team divisions. At that point, division winners are effectively in the playoff and the conference championship games serve as the first round. It's going to take some time to get the last independents into conferences and get the P5 to a P4, but it'll happen eventually.
The conferences are shuffling themselves. It probably takes another decade, but I still think it's going to happen.
In the mean time, I agree with your scenarios above, except that I doubt you get all P5s in unless they go to 8. Eight with the P5s plus three WCs would work pretty well. They could even add a rule where ND or the highest non-P5 makes it in as a WC if they're in the top 10.
They cant ignore the 3rd ranked defense and potential at QB AND TE this year.Just heard the guys on college football espn show mention Iowa as a dark horse for cfp. Most said they like that pick, and that this year’s team is worth consideration vs the 2015 team. Not sure I agree yet, but worth watching the season unfold. Maybe those guys know the most.
I think this team is much better than the 2015 team but there's no way a 1 loss Iowa team this year gets more consideration than an undefeated 2015 team. There's a good chance if we make the Big 10 championship game that we wont have a win over a team that's ranked in the top 25 team at that point. They'll kill our schedule. If we are a 12-1 Big 10 champ though I think we get in over Big12/Pac12 for sure.Just heard the guys on college football espn show mention Iowa as a dark horse for cfp. Most said they like that pick, and that this year’s team is worth consideration vs the 2015 team. Not sure I agree yet, but worth watching the season unfold. Maybe those guys know the most.
Here’s your test... Spot #4 comes down to 1 loss teams:
Iowa, Wisconsin or Notre Dame
Choice will be Notre Dame
Iowa, Wisconsin or Clemson
Choice will be Clemson
Iowa, Wisconsin or Oklahoma/Texas
Choice will be Oklahoma/Texas
Iowa, Wisconsin or USC
Choice will be USC
Iowa, Wisconsin or Florida/Georgia
Choice will be Florida/Georgia
If this team is like the 2002 team (where both teams had a very disappointing early loss), then our big road win against the blue blood would be this Saturday against Penn State, just like the HUGE road win at Michigan in 2002.Iowa wins this weekend in convincing fashion there will be a lot of hype out there building for us crashing the CFP
Based on our remaining schedule and the EAST looks beatable now in the CHAMP game.