Yeah. Michigan is well represented.
An entire state full of rust, lead-contaminated water, urban decay, Kid Rock fans and Juggalos on the dole....
What else would you expect?
Ex Spartan Keith Appling wanted for fatal shooting
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An entire state full of rust, lead-contaminated water, urban decay, Kid Rock fans and Juggalos on the dole....
What else would you expect?
That sounds like the SE side of the State, I’m from the other side, come visit West & Northern Michigan sometime...
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Izzo didn't know because there was a system in place to provide him with plausible deniability. University athletic departments are small places, even at big schools. Now Izzo is a God in East Lansing and I'm guessing the local coppers aren't interested in prosecuting him.
The lack of institutional knowledge is legally negligent. The coaches, trainers, AD and his staff are all in a position to know about the players' misdeeds. Alford knew what a piece of shit Pierre Pierce was before the kidnapping and sexual assault. I'm guessing some of those girls Nassar molested dated MSU male athletes and the Nassar conduct was so bad it had to be a hot gossip topic and that would have filtered up to the men's coaches, who had a duty to act and did nothing.
Sparty has been exposed as a very creepy uncaring creature that will accept outrageous misconduct to maintain athletic success.
The lack of institutional knowledge is legally negligent. The coaches, trainers, AD and his staff are all in a position to know about the players' misdeeds. Alford knew what a piece of shit Pierre Pierce was before the kidnapping and sexual assault. I'm guessing some of those girls Nassar molested dated MSU male athletes and the Nassar conduct was so bad it had to be a hot gossip topic and that would have filtered up to the men's coaches, who had a duty to act and did nothing.
Sparty has been exposed as a very creepy uncaring creature that will accept outrageous misconduct to maintain athletic success.
Lots of generalizations thrown around I guess you’re seeing what might stick.
Izzo wasn’t made aware of the 1st incident early on, it allegedly occurred off campus, the claimant found interactions with the Counseling Center staff unproductive & declined to pursue matters w/ police.
The 2nd occurred on campus & Izzo was aware of the situation promptly. The police investigated & the prosecutor declined to bring charges.
“The local coppers” (nor do any police), don’t prosecute ppl, they present findings to the prosecuting attorney for review & action.
Obviously you haven’t read much up on Nassar, most of his victims weren’t MSU athletes. He wasn’t an employee of the Athletic Department. Nassar was a employee of the College of Osteopathic Medicine, & he reported to Dean William Strampel - an unscrupulous & disgusting person himself.
There’s literally hours of testimony/statements which were given by victims in Circuit Court (all publicly available for your reading), contrary to your assumption they don’t contain details about how they told their boyfriends & their boyfriends then told coaches.
MSU was exposed for having a sexual predator, with a felon boss as “oversight”, that victimized females for a long, long time. The President, Athletic Director, Board of Trustee members, COM Dean, Gymnastics coach & several others had their careers end. The University failed in miserably in its reporting requirements.
I don’t know what you “outrageous misconduct” you think MSU Dantonio & Izzo allowed to maintain success. Dantonio was found to have followed reporting requirements properly & his top 3 2016 recruits were all investigated, charged, prosecuted & removed from the University. Izzo kicked 2 players who started games for the 2010 Final Four team for smoking weed (both ended up at Iowa State). If Iowa made the Final Four next szn & then Fran kicked 2 of his top 6 players off the team the following year for misconduct, would you characterize that as being soft? I seriously doubt you would.
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You can parse it, justify it, etc... but in the end Sparty has had a lot of bad going on in the same place involving common actors. If you seriously believe that MSU, especially a guy like Izzo, from whom I'm guessing little gets by, didn't know about any of these problems just promise everyone on this board you will never serve on a jury.
Izzo knew about the 2nd alleged rape very early on - that was the matter that involved Appling & was investigated by the police... I mentioned that a few times. If you want, you can read the Office of Civil Rights closing letter which addresses this to a degree. https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...-to-Michigan-State-Closing-Investigation.html
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I seem to remember a story about a Spartan football player who was released from jail on a Monday and played on Saturday. That wouldn't happen under Ferentz.
I believe he was released on Thursday, and almost had to change right from his orange jump suit into his football uniform. When asked about his decision to play the ex con, Dantonio, (true to his nature), said he had a team meeting and left his punishment up to a vote from the team! Now that is the most literal case I know of letting the inmates run the asylum! Leadership at its finest in East Lansing.....
Chris L. Rucker, it was an operating a vehicle under the influence violation. I wasn’t a fan of the decision, but it’s a garden variety infraction. On the other end of the spectrum he kicked Montez Sweat off the team for weed...Sweat transferred to Miss State & was the 1st Team All-American in ‘18 & a 1st Round Draft pick. So his decisions on punishment weren’t “win at all costs” dependent. Same story for Craig Evans, B1G All-Freshman team in ‘15 (he had a huge game in win vs OSU) & was booted for weed as well, transferred to Oregon State. Those circumstances don’t attract the same attention.
So whats your stance on Dantonio commenting publicly to the media that he let the team decide if Rucker should play, because thats exactly what he said? Leadership? Look, what happened with Colin Sandeman in our game there Dantonio goes down as one of the biggest slime balls in NCAA football even over Franklin at PSU. Our guy Sandeman catches a ball in the flat and gets floored with a high hit from the blind side, basically knocking him out. The zebra's throw the flag for a personal foul, ( I believe this was before the targeting rule), but he was clearly a defenseless receiver. As he lay on the field his body started to spasm and twitch violently like he was having a seizure. Dantonio who was the closest coach to the player starts going bat shit on the official as medical personal run out to check on the player who was in obvious serious distress. Dantonio made NO effort to check on the player, and was only concerned about the penalty. I believe all coaches have an obligation to be foremost concerned with the safety of all players on both teams. Obviously not for some coaches......
Your memory of the event doesn’t totally match up with the video.
Dantonio isn’t the closest coach to the play, Mike Tressel is easily observable closer to Sandeman. But he didn’t go out and “check on” him, & for good reason. Between MSU, Iowa, & event personnel, there are at least 10 people attending to Sandeman. He was NOT ok, that was obvious, Dantonio or any coach isn’t helping the situation by moving medical personnel to check on him - let the medical staff do their jobs. Dantonio doesn’t even realize there’s a penalty until after Sandeman has been surrounded & attended to by medical staff, neither are the analysts or the other players - because they were all looking at the Sandeman situation first. You can clearly see and hear this on the video.
Dantonio felt it was a legal hit, so he argued the call. Believe it or not, that wasn’t even hardest hit by an MSU DB during that period of time - Nehemiah Warrick absolutely obliterated a Wisconsin WR with a hit that would have been an ejection under today’s rules. NO PENALTY WAS CALLED on this hit, which was even more vicious. That’s why he argued vehemently.
Football is violent, injuries happen, no one likes to see it. But because a player is hurt doesn’t mean you stop from arguing a play you believe to be legal (this was a debatable call at the time, announcer called it a “good hard football play” & contrast it w/ the play vs Wisconsin; Fortunately no longer, those hits are bad news, - we can’t have them in the game, they need to be penalized to deter it from happening).
As to the CLR arrest & then play, I wasn’t a fan. Though people seem to think he wasn’t penalized at all, which isn’t the case - he was suspended & missed two games. The optics were bad though, so the story has changed to he just got a stern talking to, removed the jail jumpsuit & put on his jersey. It wasn’t really how it went down, but whatever. Dantonio had his players vote on lots of matters, personally I think that one wasn’t a great decision. CLR never got in trouble again, more than what can be said for Appling. But as I said before, it wasn’t a win at all costs decision on CLR, a lot of ppl were disappointed that Sweat & Evan’s were kicked off the team because they were big talents & their conduct never resulted in legal problems like CLR.
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Seems odd that marijuana possession seems to be where MSU draws the line given all the other real crimes that have been alleged and committed.
Probably because there is no gray area on a drug test, the accuracy of a drug test is extremely high. Craig Evan’s was going to be suspended 6 games by the NCAA. Claiming the smoking didn’t occur or was consensual isn’t a defense.
The alleged rape allegations seem to have a threshold of whether or not players were charged, those who were charged were removed prior to completion of the criminal proceedings. Corley & Vance had their misconduct reduced to misdemeanors, & ended up resuming their college careers - just not at MSU.
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This! I'm convinced from this point on, Dantonio was public enemy #1 for Kirk. Ferentz doesn't dislike many, and Dantonio is on the short list. The very next year in a very "un-Kirk" game, Iowa runs up the score on undefeated Sparty, including long passes in the 2nd half, trick plays and leaving starters in late in a 31 point win. You NEVER see Kirk or Iowa do this and for the next few years, the handshakes at midfield were very cold. Add to this negative MSU recruiting and Sparty players 'feigning' injuries and tiredness by laying on the field to prevent Iowa from running hurry up only made the situation worse.
Former Michigan State Basketball Star Keith Appling Arrested for Fatal Shooting
Keith Appling was arrested with a firearm in his possession after he fled the scene of a fatal shooting Saturday.www.si.com
MSU's best days are over. Football is already in the tank, basketball is on the way there...IZZO won't be around much longer.
Speaking of best days being over, is this really the best writer a big publication like SI can come up with? Sheesh, what a poorly written story.
That sounds like the SE side of the State, I’m from the other side, come visit West & Northern Michigan sometime...
It’s still a tough sell to Iowa fans to respect Sparty, especially Dantonio with Izzo becoming a close second. Dantonio’s dirty players, fake injuries, fanatical whining, and continued lack of class were consistently in place throughout his tenure and you can’t change it. Regardless, hope you have a great summer in a beautiful area!
Dantonio "retired" just ahead of the posse who was pursuing him for some shady dealings he had going with the man with the perfect name for a grifter, mega-donor Bob Skandalaris.
This is a new one...A+ for creativity.
He retired because he was in his mid 60s, coached for 40 years, had achieved pretty much everything he could, he has a boatload of $. Oh, and he had a heart attack 10 years ago. Dude was losing his fastball, grandkids in the mix & the vacations to Italy & Florida seemed a lot more enjoyable than the grind.
It was a touch cold but rather sunny this weekend, but spent 3 days by the Lakes - the best thing ever done for the family was grandpa buying a slice of woods that sits about a mile from Lake Michigan. The land was so cheap 60 years ago the Park Ranger was selling parcels out of the State Park Campground.
Went for a hike at Ludington State Park around Lost Lake (found it), didn’t make it to the Lighthouse but went to the shore south of there. Water was cold, kids didn’t seem to care much & played in it anyway. Hope everyone enjoyed the Holiday weekend.
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You're going to have to talk a lot faster to convince these guys:
www.cbssports.com
And:
statenews.com
Mark Dantonio abruptly resigns as Michigan State coach amid allegations of NCAA violations
Dantonio leaves East Lansing as the program's all-time winningest coach
www.cbssports.com
And:
Mark Dantonio announces his retirement as Michigan State's football coach - The State News
Michigan State's Mark Dantonio announced his retirement as MSU's head football coach.
statenews.com
You're going to have to talk a lot faster to convince these guys:
Mark Dantonio abruptly resigns as Michigan State coach amid allegations of NCAA violations
Dantonio leaves East Lansing as the program's all-time winningest coach
And:
Mark Dantonio announces his retirement as Michigan State's football coach - The State News
Michigan State's Mark Dantonio announced his retirement as MSU's head football coach.
I forgot that they waited to announce the "retirement" until national signing day. Another shady move
It’s unclear what point you’re trying to make with these links. (If you mean the Blackwell lawsuit, Dantonio won & Blackwell’s counsel was sanctioned for improper conduct. That’s no shocker based on the attorney’s prior history. So yeah, and huge pile of nothing but frivolous litigation.)You're going to have to talk a lot faster to convince these guys:
Mark Dantonio abruptly resigns as Michigan State coach amid allegations of NCAA violations
Dantonio leaves East Lansing as the program's all-time winningest coach
And:
Mark Dantonio announces his retirement as Michigan State's football coach - The State News
Michigan State's Mark Dantonio announced his retirement as MSU's head football coach.
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He retired prior to National signing day...any recruits could have waited to sign - one did. So yeah, nothing shady, just awkward timing for the program.
Well, from at least this one Hawkeye fan's perspective, you've done a very good job on presenting perspective on several of these topics. Seems to be plenty of rational, logic and no vitriol in your responses in "enemy territory". So kudos to you, you seem like a very level headed individual to me based on this small sample size, something that is in short supply these days.I’m not trying to sell respect, just putting context in contrast to some of the over-the-top assertions. that and just noting some seem to lack the perspective on the fact everyone has blemishes.
It was a touch cold but rather sunny this weekend, but spent 3 days by the Lakes - the best thing ever done for the family was grandpa buying a slice of woods that sits about a mile from Lake Michigan. The land was so cheap 60 years ago the Park Ranger was selling parcels out of the State Park Campground.
Went for a hike at Ludington State Park around Lost Lake (found it), didn’t make it to the Lighthouse but went to the shore south of there. Water was cold, kids didn’t seem to care much & played in it anyway. Hope everyone enjoyed the Holiday weekend.
I did have a great weekend, and it appears you did as well, so that's great too. Take care.
Thanks, you guys have overall been rather tame with me - I’m an outsider on a Iowa dedicated board, so pointed questions & heavy levels of skepticism is expected.
We’re all sports fans, so it’s questionable how well adjusted any of us are (certainly including me). Btw, you’re going to see more on Appling, it appears he went totally off the rails, even beyond this...sad to see, a danger to the community.
Regardless, I hope you enjoyed the weekend, if you have the time head to the sandy shores of Lake Michigan this Summer.
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My next door neighbor built a cabin on the Lake Superior shoreline near Grand Marais. Looks beautiful of the pictures I've seen that they've taken to this point (the Cabin and the view). He told me anytime I want to use it, just come and get the keys. I said: "Joe, I appreciate the offer, but you built that Cabin in the coldest place in the Lower 48, the likelihood of me going there is damn near zero!" Ha!
Yeah, all too often the U.P. is 1 month Spring, 1 month Summer, 1 month Fall, & 9 months Winter. Gotta go to the banana belt areas like Manistique, Hessel by the Les Cheneaux Islands is nice too, prolly the best inland area is Curtis by the Manistique Lakes (consistently high 70s to low 80s in July/August. But yeah, Grand Marais is up there & you don’t swim in Lake Superior unless you’re a local.
We have a place in the UP just outside of Ontonagon....right on the big lake....absolutely gorgeous. I have followed the winter weather closely for the last two years. Winter starts about a month earlier in the UP and stays about a month longer. During the cold weather of December, January, and February the temperatures there are not much different than here in central Iowa...but they have (literally) at least three times as much snow as we do.
Last summer in July and August we swam in front of our place...chilly but not bad.
Two years ago on July 4th we were in Marquette and went to the Presque Isle park....some locals were swimming and we ventured in up to our ankles before turning around. I swear my feet were numb before we got back to shore.
Nice! Yeah, the snow levels are just mind-boggling, something like 15.5 FEET of snow a winter. That’s just insane.
I’ve never been to Ontonagon, it’s about 8.5 hours from me - so unless I acquire a lake home I’m not driving there too soon. A good friend of mine spends 1 weekend every Summer by the Porcupine Mountains. I remember him telling me he went to the beach at Ontonagon, maybe the water there is a touch warmer because the river spills out there? (Idk) Marquette is a nice town, I haven’t been across the Bridge in 10+ years, would be nice to get back there.
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We've camped and hiked in the Porkies....just amazing natural beauty. Ontonagon has a township campground/park with an amazing beach.
Last but not least....Pictured Rock National Lake Shore is some astounding scenery....if people just google images of Pictured Rock National Lake Shore you will see what I mean. As amazing as those pictures are, it does not do justice to being there in person.
