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Excellent article about Spencer and his injury

bawlmerhawk said:
http://www.papowerwrestling.com/spencer-lee-falls/

Apparently he's been dealing with it since the end of January. "... doctors who examined Spencer were astonished at how “freakishly strong” his other three muscles were in the knee."
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Spencer has huge legs - something people miss when they talk about his size. That musculature was likely the thing that allowed him to even compete at some sort of serviceable level this weekend.

Not a doctor but have had 3 knee operations myself and know a little bit about the subject
 
Im curious if the word got out of the injury prior to Desanto dropping down a weight class. Its probably not the case at all and probably a poor thing to even suggest on my part. I know word travels very fast in Iowa if any well known athlete gets dinged up but Iowa is also much smaller than Pennsilvania. Probably a very poor thing for me to even mention and dont to take anything away from Desanto on his highlight win over the weekend.
 
Good30 said:
Im curious if the word got out of the injury prior to Desanto dropping down a weight class. Its probably not the case at all and probably a poor thing to even suggest on my part. I know word travels very fast in Iowa if any well known athlete gets dinged up but Iowa is also much smaller than Pennsilvania. Probably a very poor thing for me to even mention and dont to take anything away from Desanto on his highlight win over the weekend.
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So you're admitting you're human? Sounds like your family can call off the intervention! LOL!
 
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Good30 said:
Im curious if the word got out of the injury prior to Desanto dropping down a weight class. Its probably not the case at all and probably a poor thing to even suggest on my part. I know word travels very fast in Iowa if any well known athlete gets dinged up but Iowa is also much smaller than Pennsilvania. Probably a very poor thing for me to even mention and dont to take anything away from Desanto on his highlight win over the weekend.
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No. DeSanto announced the drop in December. Injury to Lee was end of January.
 
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Gotcha! Im glad it was as simple as that! Injuries happen and its amazing in itself that anyone could perform at all in a physically demanding sport such as wrestling with a bad acl.
 
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championhawk said:
There are muscles that stabilize and protect the knee. Lets not let the false description take away from the good points made in the article. Spencer has strong knee stabilizing muscles which helped him get the green light to compete.
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Strong stabilizing muscles can also potentially shorten recovery time post-surgery, depending on all of the variables associated with Knee injuries.
 
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championhawk said:
There are muscles that stabilize and protect the knee. Lets not let the false description take away from the good points made in the article. Spencer has strong knee stabilizing muscles which helped him get the green light to compete.
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The good points can't really be known because of the inaccuracy. That's why it's dumb. It mentions three other strong muscles, lol. There are far more muscles that connect around the knee. They must be talking about the three other ligaments (MCL, LCL, PCL) that must seem quite beefy.

There are no muscles that really stabilize and protect the knee while relaxed. The muscles flexing in proper coordination and balance provide powerful support. I'd like to know what the doctor really said to know the difference.

People often tear ACLs because of an inbalance between the quadriceps and the hamstrings.
 
HoundedHawk said:
The good points can't really be known because of the inaccuracy. That's why it's dumb. It mentions three other strong muscles, lol. There are far more muscles that connect around the knee. They must be talking about the three other ligaments (MCL, LCL, PCL) that must seem quite beefy.

There are no muscles that really stabilize and protect the knee while relaxed. The muscles flexing in proper coordination and balance provide powerful support. I'd like to know what the doctor really said to know the difference.

People often tear ACLs because of an inbalance between the quadriceps and the hamstrings.
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The article hit its mark for the lay person. Do you think a few weeks down the road the average person will recall and be able to dictate whether he has 3 strong ligaments or muscles? Or whether they care if his muscles don't stabilize the knee at rest? I am sure it is a terrible article for anyone with a medical background. It lets everyone else know he was injured, he is strong, and he should be ok. I was able to overlook the incorrect points and enjoy the article. My overall point is the article was pleasant reading compared to all of the Penn State trolls posting on here.
 
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championhawk said:
The article hit its mark for the lay person. Do you think a few weeks down the road the average person will recall and be able to dictate whether he has 3 strong ligaments or muscles? Or whether they care if his muscles don't stabilize the knee at rest? I am sure it is a terrible article for anyone with a medical background. It lets everyone else know he was injured, he is strong, and he should be ok. I was able to overlook the incorrect points and enjoy the article. My overall point is the article was pleasant reading compared to all of the Penn State trolls posting on here.
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And my overall point is that the article was dumb in that it gave inaccurate information. Everyone already knew he was injured from other sources (duh), and for years we knew he was strong (duh), and the article doesn't say he will be OK.

I don't care that much about your overall point. I didn't type my original statement with you in mind. You didn't post the article so mine post had nothing to do with you. It wasn't personally against you. The title of the thread was that it was an excellent article. I didn't think so because it was factually inaccurate.

You like what you like about it, and I will think what's dumb about is dumb.

Live and let live.
 
PrairieHawk24 said:
Selfishly I want him at 100% so I can go watch him and Warner at Midlands, but I also don't want him to come back too soon and have another setback
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Midlands is 9.5 months away. I'm under the impression that they can now grow new limbs in less time than that.:p
 
bawlmerhawk said:
http://www.papowerwrestling.com/spencer-lee-falls/

Apparently he's been dealing with it since the end of January. "... doctors who examined Spencer were astonished at how “freakishly strong” his other three muscles were in the knee."
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Despite the poor termonoligy about the muscles in the knee, thanks for linking this. I questioned why Lee would take the risk of further aggravating the injury but there are past examples of high performance with acl issues. Hines Ward had a nice career with no ACL in his left knee. I guess Spencer is another freak of nature.
 
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HoundedHawk said:
And my overall point is that the article was dumb in that it gave inaccurate information. Everyone already knew he was injured from other sources (duh), and for years we knew he was strong (duh), and the article doesn't say he will be OK.
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People knew he was injured due to the brace but beyond that there was no info reported that I'm aware of. I'm pretty sure this was the first article that to confirm he has a torn ACL. For that reason alone it was at least worth the bandwidth.
 
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Cali_Nittany said:
Despite the poor terminology about the muscles in the knee, thanks for linking this. I questioned why Lee would take the risk of further aggravating the injury but there are past examples of high performance with acl issues. Hines Ward had a nice career with no ACL in his left knee. I guess Spencer is another freak of nature.
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The Lee Family sounds like some pretty solid individuals, so I'm sure there were several internal discussions on "what do we do now"? Sounds like they did their due diligence and collectively decided if he wanted to give it a go, he could without creating some long term serious damage over and above what he was already facing (I don't know anything about ACL's, so maybe I'm way off - but that's what it looks like to me at the end of the day).

I would imagine the Iowa Coaching staff was apprised of the situation as well (I assume this would be allowed since he already signed a NLI), and perhaps were allowed to offer their 2 cents and past experience with similar issues, though clearly it's not their decision to make.

I would guess for Spencer Lee it was an easy decision. He wanted to compete and hopefully finish the journey. His legacy was already cemented, and he could have opted out with an * in the books, and nobody would have though anything of it (minus the typical internet troll of course.....). He put that legacy on the line knowingly injured and it didn't work out. That takes balls. Absolutely love this kid and the fact he's going to be a Hawkeye.
 
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People knew he was injured due to the brace but beyond that there was no info reported that I'm aware of. I'm pretty sure this was the first article that to confirm he has a torn ACL. For that reason alone it was at least worth the bandwidth.
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I agree. Even articles that are not excellent can have a worthy nugget of truth.

Sometimes I'm very dumb, but thankfully my wife thinks I'm still worth it.
 
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Kwoodhawk said:
And as we see so ofter here............

Not enough people with strong stabilizing muscles around their jaws............

to keep their mouths closed........o_O
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And it's wonderful that neither you nor I are qualified to ultimately determine who they are.
 
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A buddy of mine wrestled his whole senior year with a torn ACL and won a state title...his brother reminded me of this last night. I was like, "but did he wrestle the 5th ranked kid in the country?" My buddy wasn't an elite kid and could throw all his chips into the middle. These injuries are so hard to compare.

Lee was in the position that he wanted to win but minimize damage for college. I doubt many could convince him not to go.Better to go out on your feet than than live on your knees.

Lost in all this is the job Max and Teasdale did in the tourney. Folks, we are getting some good ones.
 
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Yes, us Hawk fans are getting some tough,and very tech wrestlers. Well my high school had a kid his Sr. year have ACL in his first match at state tourney the trainer from the U of Mn. checked him and told him the damage was done and he could tape him up and if he could handle the pain he could continue, cause the damage was done..So he did and went on to win state all he did was take down and cut. I'm very sad but proud of Spencer Lee missing out on his dream but no one can say he gave up..Also his buddy Teasdale coming out like he did glad both of them will be Hawks and kick a lot of butts for years.
 
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Cali_Nittany said:
Despite the poor termonoligy about the muscles in the knee, thanks for linking this. I questioned why Lee would take the risk of further aggravating the injury but there are past examples of high performance with acl issues. Hines Ward had a nice career with no ACL in his left knee. I guess Spencer is another freak of nature.
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I'm sure it's happened in other states but we had a kid here in MO (Tyler Hubbard, who started out at UNI maybe) that won a state title with an ACL tear his senior year (granted it wasn't against a nationally ranked kid).

And didn't Gable have a significant knee injury when he won the Olympics?
 
The knee is complicated and there are various factors that come into play that affect the decision to continue to compete. With damage to a ligament, if the other factors are healthy and strong, you may be able to compete (with, again, variability to it's effect on mobility) but the issue is usually that you are at great risk to further damage to the knee. Either making the ligament tear complete, and/or suffering damage to the other ligaments - which will make it impossible to compete and and prolong recover.

Posted elsewhere, but I think the biggest factor in the loss was conditioning. Spencer controlled the action for almost two periods but ran out of gas midway through the match. Which is basically what happens when you can't practice and your competition on the mat is very limited for a month.

My guy went through a similar issue (with a different and slightly less important ligament) this season. Fortunately it was early and he was able to completely rest it for four weeks before getting back on the mat about a week and a half before postseason. If he would have run into a top guy right then, he would have had issues. But he didn't and was able to manage it and his conditioning was peak by the time we got to Hershey. Of course, when he came off the mat on Saturday night, he basically said the season ended just in time because it was really hurting and it probably could be severely reinjured at any time. Now he's going to have surgery. But those are the chances you take when you are a senior. Spencer was shooting for a four-time, undefeated legacy so his decision was understandable.

Timing of the injury was very unfortunate for Spencer.
 
Huck said:
I'm sure it's happened in other states but we had a kid here in MO (Tyler Hubbard, who started out at UNI maybe) that won a state title with an ACL tear his senior year (granted it wasn't against a nationally ranked kid).

And didn't Gable have a significant knee injury when he won the Olympics?
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If memory serves me correctly, Gable tore his ACL a few weeks before he won Olympic gold, without surrendering a point.
 
I've never read that Gable had an ACL injury. I think he had a meniscal tear, and he waited until after the Olympics for surgical repair.
 
Jordan Burroughs tore two knee ligaments (PCL and LCL) at the start of his sr year, had surgery and took almost a year off.
 
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