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We discussed the first email back in Oct. Well, David B is at it again. And apparently the latest email is really irking people. Firm I work for is already looking to leave, I am sure a number of others are as well. Ignoring the validity, point and purpose of the latest email (this AM), it was very unprofessional.

I'd bet many will be moving on to an alternate provider. Anyone else get the email this AM?

I'm very surprised it happened again, and it looks real. There seems to be a dash of white guilt mixed in...

"today announced that they will donate 25 cents for every dollar they pay their white male employees to fund Expensify.org’s volunteer-led campaigns"

 
Based on the thread title, I thought they were going to launch another Super Bowl ad. Their commercial with Adam Scott and 2 Chainz is one of my all-time favorites.
 
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You're going to leave your preferred software because the owner's philanthropic work? Fascinating.

Not what I said at all.

And funny you seem to think its a ME issue because of unprofessional work spam. And that you are fine with non-work related spam at all.

But hey, you stay consistent.
 
Not what I said at all.

And funny you seem to think its a ME issue because of unprofessional work spam. And that you are fine with non-work related spam at all.

But hey, you stay consistent.

I get spam all day long. I don't start emails about it or switch software platforms because of it. I delete it and move on with my day.
 
I get spam all day long. I don't start emails about it or switch software platforms because of it. I delete it and move on with my day.


Any of these emails from a vendor or client? An identifiable person? Are they sales spam or are they unprofessional, personal opinion messages? And how many other thousands of emails are they sending?

If you COULD stop these spam emails, would you?

You want this to be an apples to apples because of the political nature of the message that you approve of, but it isn't. Ignoring if one agrees or disagrees with the content of email, would you stop a email spammer that was sending your company a thousand emails if you could?

And, I simply started reading and realized what it was, then deleted. But leadership emailed as they were already getting people commenting, so I went back and looked. Again, volume of spam and not work related.
 
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We discussed the first email back in Oct. Well, David B is at it again. And apparently the latest email is really irking people. Firm I work for is already looking to leave, I am sure a number of others are as well. Ignoring the validity, point and purpose of the latest email (this AM), it was very unprofessional.

I'd bet many will be moving on to an alternate provider. Anyone else get the email this AM?

I'm very surprised it happened again, and it looks real. There seems to be a dash of white guilt mixed in...

"today announced that they will donate 25 cents for every dollar they pay their white male employees to fund Expensify.org’s volunteer-led campaigns"

Our company already dumped this firm after this idiot's pre-election email. Our president got so many emails complaining about the Expensify email that he apologized to everyone and said he will be looking for an alternative provider immediately.
 
We discussed the first email back in Oct. Well, David B is at it again. And apparently the latest email is really irking people. Firm I work for is already looking to leave, I am sure a number of others are as well. Ignoring the validity, point and purpose of the latest email (this AM), it was very unprofessional.

I'd bet many will be moving on to an alternate provider. Anyone else get the email this AM?

I'm very surprised it happened again, and it looks real. There seems to be a dash of white guilt mixed in...

"today announced that they will donate 25 cents for every dollar they pay their white male employees to fund Expensify.org’s volunteer-led campaigns"

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Our company already dumped this firm after this idiot's pre-election email. Our president got so many emails complaining about the Expensify email that he apologized to everyone and said he will be looking for an alternative provider immediately.

Pres sounds like a weak beta cuck kowtowing to the masses.
 
Can you copy/paste the email? Because I don't understand the issue. I get emails all day long from resorts and suppliers telling me what great things they are doing to help the destinations where they are located. I never thought it was something that should bother me.

Sure, give me a couple.

But those are sales work related no? He has moved into spam for social justice. Again, agree or not agree with the message is not the point. It is taking customer base email information and spamming for non-work related items.
 
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Sure, give me a couple.

But those are sales work related no? He has moved into spam for social justice. Again, agree or not agree with the message is not the point. It is taking customer base email information and spamming for non-work related items.
Not technically. One example is Sandals Resorts. They have a charitable arm called the Sandals Foundation. They basically solicit travel agents to contribute to their charity and to promote it to our clients. If they host a FAM trip they ask us to bring school supplies or donations to orphanages. There are a couple of other companies that have similar foundations and send similar emails. But, they don't chastise people if they don't contribute.
 
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Any of these emails from a vendor or client? An identifiable person? Are they sales spam or are they unprofessional, personal opinion messages? And how many other thousands of emails are they sending?

If you COULD stop these spam emails, would you?

You want this to be an apples to apples because of the political nature of the message that you approve of, but it isn't. Ignoring if one agrees or disagrees with the content of email, would you stop a email spammer that was sending your company a thousand emails if you could?

And, I simply started reading and realized what it was, then deleted. But leadership emailed as they were already getting people commenting, so I went back and looked. Again, volume of spam and not work related.

I wouldn't know. I don't read any of them. If it's not about a project I delete it. It's pretty simple.

If I could stop spam would I? Sure, and If I could cure cancer I would too.
 
@3boysmom formatting didn't paste over. Topic at hand for some of the slower folks, is not whether one agrees, but is it proper and processional to take a customer base's emails and spam with completely unrelated, non-work related items? If this is a nothing burger, you will not hear about it on the news. Anyone wanna bet if this will be in the news tonight?
Through signing up, we individually didn't have the option to opt of of non-work communications by the vendor. Neither collectively nor individually.


Tl;dr - Go to Expensify.org/apply to help save the world with up to $100,000!
2020 was a helluva year, good riddance. Of the very few good things to come out of it, one is a glimmer of hope that social media will begin moderating their platforms in defense of democracy.
But the other was the stark reminder of how non-violent protest is the most powerful way to accomplish real change. I think the most powerful orator of this concept is Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., especially in his lesser known -- but I feel most moving -- speech, The Other America:
"Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve."
Indeed, watching that speech again, his words seem more prescient than ever. Contrast how a patient, persistent, and overwhelmingly peaceful Black Lives Matter movement successfully passed scores of police oversight bills around the nation -- while a violent spasm of insurgents at the Capitol brought nothing but chaos, destruction, and an indelible shame to themselves and those who supported their heinous acts.
And yet, while the actions of these domestic terrorists (let’s call them what they are) cannot be defended, and derive from an elaborate framework of conspiracy and lies, I’m reminded of what Dr. King said immediately after:
"But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard."
In a way, the highly successful BLM movement and the catastrophically ineffectual militants serve as two potent case studies in how to succeed or fail in creating positive change in the world.
This is especially interesting given that the two groups, who would seem to have virtually nothing in common, in fact share a key complaint: neither are enjoying the "milk of prosperity and the honey of opportunity" of the America that sees a booming stock market securing the value of their retirement. In the words of Dr. King:
"But tragically and unfortunately, there is another America. This other America has a daily ugliness about it that constantly transforms the ebulliency of hope into the fatigue of despair. In this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist. In this America millions of people find themselves living in rat-infested, vermin-filled slums. In this America people are poor by the millions. They find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity."
Though obviously Dr. King is an outspoken advocate for the Black community, he is also an avid defender of all who suffer under the yoke of injustice:
 
And part 2

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly."
So reflecting back on 2020, with so much anger creating so much destruction, I feel the best way to honor the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is to consider the systemic injustices in our society that give rise to this anger -- and to do something about it.
With that in mind, you might already know we launched a charity this time last year, eponymously named Expensify.org. With the generous donations from thousands of donors using the Expensify Card’s Karma Points (which makes a small donation with each purchase), Corporate Karma (which makes a donation for every dollar of expenses approved), Personal Karma (which makes a donation for each dollar spent), or just direct donations to the site we were able to help thousands of families with grocery assistance throughout 2020. And that was big. But this year, we want to go much, much bigger:
We are committing an additional $3 million dollars a year to Expensify.org to fight injustice, and we need your help figuring out how to spend it.
Expensify.org exists to "create a just and generous world" by patiently eroding, as "upstream" as possible to have the largest and most permanent achievable impact, large social problems resulting from systemic injustice. We do this by using a direct-giving approach and creating a "Karmic feedback loop" between donors and volunteers as follows:
  1. An Expensify user makes a donation (ie, an Expensify Card holder makes a purchase, resulting in a Karma Points donation being made to an "offsetting" fund for that purchase -- hotel expenses, for example, donate to Expensify.org/homes)
  1. An Expensify.org volunteer scans a receipt for some purchase made as part of one of the charitable campaigns working from that fund
  1. The Expensify.org campaign manager reviews and approves the receipt
  1. 50% of that volunteer’s receipt is reimbursed using donor funds
There is one problem: ever since finishing our SNAP grocery reimbursement campaign, we have no active campaigns. This means Expensify.org is accumulating funds, but has no active campaigns to reimburse. This is where you come in.
See, we know a lot about receipts, but much less about saving the world. However, we are confident that among the millions of people reading this, there are countless who do this every day -- and we would like to help you continue your important work. Accordingly, we are crowdsourcing the best ways to spend these funds on campaigns that are at the intersection of justice and one (or more) of five funding areas:
  • Expensify.com/climate - Anything helping mitigate and reduce the effects of climate change, especially on those who will be disproportionately affected as a result of historical disenfranchisement.
  • Expensify.org/homes - Anything helping those who are houseless or in a housing compromised situation, especially if this results from redlining or other racially biased policies in the past.
  • Expensify.org/hunger - Anything helping those struggling with hunger, especially if that struggle results from systemic inequality.
  • Expensify.org/reentry - Anything helping those who are re-entering society after incarceration to avoid recidivism, especially those who were incarcerated based on unjust or even obsolete laws.
  • Expensify.org/youth - Anything helping those under 18, especially those who are in groups that are already marginalized and suffering injustice.
 
and part 3

If any of these sound similar to what you already do (or would like to start doing), please let us know! To apply:
  1. Go to Expensify.org/apply
  1. Describe the community work you are already doing, or intend to start
  1. Detail the specific kind of expense that you will be seeking to get reimbursed
  1. Explain how this work relates to one or more of the current funding areas
  1. Outline your plan for how to recruit other volunteers to scale up your campaign
We expect quite a few applications, so we are going to evaluate them in stages. But doing that is also a lot of work, so who better to help than all Expensify.org donors. Specifically, it will work as follows:
  • We will present the complete list of campaigns to every current donor to Expensify.org.
  • They will rank the campaigns in order of interest (after all, we work for them), and we will award a minimum $25,000 budget to the top 10.
  • We will then work with those 10 to flesh out and improve the campaign description, after which we will present the enhanced campaigns again to donors, to re-rank.
  • We will pick the top 5 and award a minimum $50,000 budget to each.
  • We will then work with those 5 to flesh their campaign concept out further, including interviewing initial volunteers to get stories of how each campaign is working out in the real world -- and present one last time to donors for a final vote.
  • The top choice will be awarded a minimum $100,000 budget.
Each selected campaign will be run for at least one year, by the campaign manager who proposed it, during which it will be provided with at least as much budget as was awarded during the donor voting phase -- with the most popular options conceivably receiving much more depending on how much activity we see.
Like everything we do, this is highly experimental as we figure out the right way to be the most helpful to the largest number of people. Hit me up on Twitter @dbarrett if you have any questions about it, or any ideas for how we can do a better job.
One final note before I hit Send: about that three million dollar budget. The idea for this whole thing came out of an internal discussion triggered by the BLM movement reflecting on our own less-than-optimal diversity as an organization. Quite a few improvements and initiatives have come out of that, most of which aren’t very visible to the outside. But in particular, we were trying to get creative about how to internalize the concept of "equity" -- which in large part means helping solve problems that happen outside of our walls, not just those we create within.
To try to quantify the scale of the problem in some numerical way, we turned to the Payscale: State of the Gender Pay Gap 2020 report. Specifically, we were struck by the "Gender pay gap by race, relative to white men" chart, which outlines the "uncontrolled pay gap" -- a value that does not limit itself to people in the same role. We feel this is the best measure of the financial effects of accumulated systemic inequality, as in theory if society were perfectly just, everyone would follow the exact same career trajectory regardless of gender or race. But in practice, obviously, that is far from the case.
As you’d expect, the first place we looked was internally, to ensure that everyone at the same role was being paid the same, irrespective of race or gender. Thankfully this is guaranteed by ourcompensation review process, which has evolved a ton over the years and now calculates compensation formulaically based on an internal voting system involving all employees. This makes it essentially impossible for any one person’s bias (positive or negative) to skew the results for anyone else. But we also acknowledge that we exist in a fundamentally biased society -- and that even in the perfect case of us being totally neutral, the accumulation of injustice before people arrive here would still result in skewed results.
This conundrum is the whole basis of the philosophy of "equity", which led us to our first, very brute-force proposal: let’s just directly pay anyone in a historically marginalized group more, based on the Payscale data. This would mean white women, who earn $0.81 on the dollar relative to white men, would get a 19% raise -- to "catch them up". All Black, Native American, and Hispanic women would get a 25% raise. The thought process was that in theory, had they not experienced systemic bias prior to joining the company, they would be earning that much. However, those who were slated to receive the bonus were universally opposed to the idea -- everybody obviously wants to be paid more, but those who would have benefited the most wanted to help others more than they wanted to help themselves.
So the second thought was to take that same money, and rather than paying it to the employees directly, to instead donate it to Expensify.org with a focus on justice and unwinding the effects of systemic bias. This was similarly well intentioned, but missed the mark: it in effect creates a "tax" on all non-white men, which creates perverse incentives in hiring.
 
and part 4 since I am too lazy to take this huge email and see where the character break falls due to limits in the text boxes.

This led to the third idea -- the one we’re actually going with -- which is to take the largest wage gap ($0.25 on the dollar), and then for every one dollar paid to a white man in the company, donate $0.25 to Expensify.org. The result adds up to about $3MM/yr. In a way, it recognizes that every white man in the organization received the invisible, unavoidable benefit of the systemic bias of society, so any time we hire someone who received this benefit, we try to quantify the effect of that benefit, and pay it back to society.
Is this the best possible idea? Probably not. But "perfection is the enemy of the good", so we’ve opted to do something tangible, rather than debate endlessly without taking action. Got a better idea? Let’s talk on Twitter @dbarrett, I’d love to hear it.
And that’s a wrap. We’re super excited to launch this initiative, and can’t wait to hear what ideas you have. But for now, let me finish with one final quote:
"True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice."
- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Take this day to reflect on the path that got you where you are, and how that path might have been helped or harmed by the invisible hands around you. Regardless of gender or race, nationality or political affiliation, injustice is everywhere. Every one of us sees it every day. It’s our decision what to do about it.
-david
Founder and CEO of Expensify
Sent by: Expensify, Inc. - 548 Market St #61434 - San Francisco, CA 94103
 
I wouldn't know. I don't read any of them. If it's not about a project I delete it. It's pretty simple.

If I could stop spam would I? Sure, and If I could cure cancer I would too.


Well, I hope once you are able to take more ownership of the company you work in and help set policy, you consider "we" vs "me" more. Which is why "me delete" vs "me solve a problem hundreds of people have" is a bit of a different mindset.

And you did admit you'd fix the problem if you could, so you came around even if you want to be dramatic with the cancer comment.
 
For me personally this wouldn't move the needle. If I wasn't interested I would delete and move on. Mostly because it looks like they are looking for feedback from their clients as to which causes they should support. Maybe I am reading it wrong. But Target does something similar. You get credits or something for shopping and then you can pick from a list of charities they have approved to direct your credits. If it weren't for the email before the election would this bother you as much? On it's own this seems fine. It feels like a "because of you we are in a position to help others. So we would like you to have input as to where those monies should be spent". Am I reading it wrong?
 
We discussed the first email back in Oct. Well, David B is at it again. And apparently the latest email is really irking people. Firm I work for is already looking to leave, I am sure a number of others are as well. Ignoring the validity, point and purpose of the latest email (this AM), it was very unprofessional.

I'd bet many will be moving on to an alternate provider. Anyone else get the email this AM?

I'm very surprised it happened again, and it looks real. There seems to be a dash of white guilt mixed in...

"today announced that they will donate 25 cents for every dollar they pay their white male employees to fund Expensify.org’s volunteer-led campaigns"

I’ll take your bet. I bet they gain customers in 2021.

What are the stakes? Name it.
 
OP: I received a spam email at work on a subject (social justice) that I disagree with. The wasted minute it took to gleam the subject matter, digest I had no interest in it and delete the email really grinds my gears, so I’m going to spend 15 minutes of work time complaint about it on the interwebz.
 
A quick Google search shows that Expensify is the fastest-growing expense services software company in America and almost always tops independent lists of “best” expense software firms. Maybe OP would be better served imitating the Expensify CEO in order to help his company grow and prosper rather than cry about its charitable efforts online, presumably on company time?



 
Well, I hope once you are able to take more ownership of the company you work in and help set policy, you consider "we" vs "me" more. Which is why "me delete" vs "me solve a problem hundreds of people have" is a bit of a different mindset.

And you did admit you'd fix the problem if you could, so you came around even if you want to be dramatic with the cancer comment.
If I was head of your company, I'd be pissed you were spending this much time on an issue that isn't helping the company produce. Sounds like you need to get back to doing your job.
 
OP: I received a spam email at work on a subject (social justice) that I disagree with. The wasted minute it took to gleam the subject matter, digest I had no interest in it and delete the email really grinds my gears, so I’m going to spend 15 minutes of work time complaint about it on the interwebz.


Not to be confused with all the other nonsense that we argue about on HROT huh? ;)
 
Well, I hope once you are able to take more ownership of the company you work in and help set policy, you consider "we" vs "me" more. Which is why "me delete" vs "me solve a problem hundreds of people have" is a bit of a different mindset.

And you did admit you'd fix the problem if you could, so you came around even if you want to be dramatic with the cancer comment.
lol, yeah I'll let IT worry about spam and I'll worry about my job. You can worry about raging against people trying to do good.
 
A quick Google search shows that Expensify is the fastest-growing expense services software company in America and almost always tops independent lists of “best” expense software firms. Maybe OP would be better served imitating the Expensify CEO in order to help his company grow and prosper rather than cry about its charitable efforts online, presumably on company time?



Obviously, you didn't get or read his October email. I don't recall any reference to charity, it was purely a political hack piece. There is no place for that in business. Nothing in that email would help any company grow.
 
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If I was head of your company, I'd be pissed you were spending this much time on an issue that isn't helping the company produce. Sounds like you need to get back to doing your job.


Beauty of being Salary and incentives, you get the work done, thats all that matters. Not what time of day you work against a punch clock. Especially on slow days.

PS, you working today?
 
For me personally this wouldn't move the needle. If I wasn't interested I would delete and move on. Mostly because it looks like they are looking for feedback from their clients as to which causes they should support. Maybe I am reading it wrong. But Target does something similar. You get credits or something for shopping and then you can pick from a list of charities they have approved to direct your credits. If it weren't for the email before the election would this bother you as much? On it's own this seems fine. It feels like a "because of you we are in a position to help others. So we would like you to have input as to where those monies should be spent". Am I reading it wrong?
Lots of companies do this type of thing. Best Buy (and other companies) actively solicit on behalf of St. Judes, for instance. This is simply someone seeking out something to be outraged about.
 
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Giving to whatever cause they want, letting customers know and giving them the opportunity to participate? No problem!

Basing the amount you give on some race-related formula? Yeah, I see why that would rub people the wrong way. It feels dirty even if it isn't.
 
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