Fact: Trump is the worst president for the economy in my lifetime.
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What do the different death rates tell you about the health effects of the two viruses. Where would we be in Obama’s world if there were 60 million people infected with coronavirus? Did he take that seriously enough if 60
Million contracted it? Also, they say that the coronavirus spreads more easily than the flu. Obviously, there is a discrepancy in deaths. No debating that. What did Obama do to prevent the spread? That is what you are talking about anyways. You are talking about the spread.
He was a good person, just a poor president who said " the job is too big for one person. " Kennedy ran against him because they knew he was doomed but the D's couldn't abandon an incumbent. Not all that much different from the GOP now. I'd vote for Romney in a heartbeat but the GOP won't abandon an incumbent either...
It tells me nothing. How many common colds did we have? Even more. The flu is orders of magnitude less dangerous than the flu. Obama declared it a public health emergency when there were only 20 cases and 0 deaths - 6 weeks before it was declared a pandemic. There was a vaccine for the flu.
I get it, you're desperate to find any way to defend Trump and are grasping at this but comparing the flu to coronavirus is beyond foolish.
You are comparing apples and oranges. This is like trying to predict how George Washington would have been at fighting the Vietnam War. The circumstances are completely different so you can't use what was done in one case and directly compare it the current one. What you can do is look at the crises that Obama had and the method he used to deal with them vs. the method the current administration has used.
Obama had a history of letting experts be his guide and using means tested methods to address problems. And when his policies were executed properly, they worked. This administration goes pretty much with whatever Trump's fetish of the day is and I can't think of a single policy initiative of his that hasn't blown up in his face.
You are absolutely correct. Use that same logic yourself. Like I said, 60 million cases vs 6.4 currently. The experts didn’t do much to prevent the spread did they? They were bailed out by the virus not being as deadly. It is a virus where treatments are minimal. The idea would be to limit its spread. I think one looks vastly better than the other at this point.
And still 60 million people got the virus despite him listening to the “experts”. What are you not getting? I’m not grasping at any straws. I’m failing to see your argument as to how he has dealt with this virus so badly. One started in the US and one started in Asia and traveled to the US. That is a huge difference right there.
Now....look at the number of deaths and tell me which is worse. What I will say is Obama's response to the current virus would have been very different than Trump's and it would have been far more effective. I don't know exactly what he would have done, but I can tell you it wouldn't have involved lying to the public about how it wasn't a problem because he "didn't want to create a panic".
No. It was not a novel virus, it was a strain that was familiar. And it's the flu - not SARS, or MERS or Ebola, all of which are far more dangerous and, BTW, were effectively contained during Obama's tenure.
Sure is a shame that doing something about it in the very beginning was racist and zenophobic otherwise maybe it wouldn't be so bad.
Sigh. 45 million people got the flu in the 2017-18 flu season and 61,000 died. Lots and lots of people get the flu each year. Some more than others.
We should be thankful he didn’t follow W and instead inherited a very strong and growing economy. We’d be in a 12 year depression otherwise.
Even better than your inability to figure out the top of the chart represents the best performance?
Nobody ever tolde you losing the gene pool lottery wasd going ot be easy, did they?
and the coronavirus is said to be more deadly than the flu and more easily spread. More deaths should be expected, but there are 54 million fewer cases right now.
Why were there so many more deaths from flu in 2017-18 than 2009?
Are you suggesting the country should have been shut down during the last couple of flu seasons?
You've gone beyond ridiculous but I'm willing to give you more rope.
There's no sane argument to be made that Obama's economy when he left was robust and far, far better than what he inherited.
It was on simmer at best. Took off after election in anticipation of Trump policies.
If you would look at a chart without any dates you couldn’t tell when Obama left office and when Trump took over.
No. The economy had recovered completely and was growing steadily. That continued in Trump's early years due to momentum. His growth has fallen short of his promises even before the coronavirus. Because of that the deficit has soared.
He had a great economy coming in and has ruined it.
You quoted the chart and asked "And Bush 41 was the best POTUS in your lifetime for the economy?".
The chart clearly shows job growth which some would say is an important qualifier for the overall economy. You f'd up and somehow thought it indicated Bush 41 was at the top of this category. That was wrong. Own it and move on.
Or continue with your childish attempts to spin your bonehead statement. Your choice.
He could never be worse than the libs who want to raise taxes , shut down the entire economy if fauci says to , support 3rd term abortion , defund the cops, let criminals out of jail, support rioters and prosecute people protecting their own property.
What about the vast majority of liberals and moderates who don't want to do what you've outlined?
Sleepy joe will roll over for any of those .this is the democratic platform. Sleepy joe said he would do anything the doc told him to do and he will increase tax. What could possibly go wrong shutting down the economy and raising tax?
Not to mention throwing away Obama's plan and dismantling the pandemic response team...so Trump effed up. Maybe sometime these cultists will get that.
Or the fact trump down played the covid-19 and did noting for 71 days other than rallies and golf. duh
You might want to double check how good stocks have done for Trump vs Obama. Both have amazing numbers. Just because Trump said Obama sucked doesn't mean it was true.
I was in farming country in western Iowa today. I didn’t see a single Biden yard sign. But I did see dozens or more Trump ones along with flags etc.....
American farmers are no longer single issue voters. (Crop subsidies etc). They are far more interested in upholding their freedom, law and order, gun rights, and Christian faith. That is what drives them.
So to your hope, I’d say it has zero chance. The left has gone WAY past helping the union people, farmers and the little guy. You know, the dem party of the 70s. Now they have moved on to UBI, UHC, coddling terrorists, hating Israel, taking our guns and ridiculing those of us that attend church. And that is how they lost much of their base. Union men, trade people, farmers etc. They have become a party of intersectionality. A conglomeration of very small interest groups of people that have become bitter about their view or station in America.
