Falling down with the ball
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From what you're saying it should have been a travel. Unless maybe he called TO on the way down
They should make a rule that a player can't call a time out if they are on the ground or falling out of bounds. Should have both feet on the ground to get the TO... don't let the TO bail a player out.
Used to be. Now it appears you slide, flop around, ,and call for a TO.
Nope he was clearly on the floor and the bench called the TO not rj my bad
10 years ago
Yeah, but they stopped calling it travel about ten years ago.
...and double dribble, and 3 seconds, and over the back...
Nope.
Hasn't been traveling for a long time.
I'd prefer to go back to the time before you could slide halfway across the floor with the ball and call the time out.
Hasn't been traveling for a long time.
I'd prefer to go back to the time before you could slide halfway across the floor with the ball and call the time out.
It depends upon possession. If a player with possession falls on the ground without maintaining their dribble, it is a travel.
If a player without possession dives to the ground and then gains possession in the process, it isn’t a travel, even if they’re sliding,
If a player without possession dives to the ground and then gains possession in the process, it isn’t a travel, even if they’re sliding,
So davis just fell down on his own picked up his dribble to avoid losing the ball bench calls to and was rewarded the to did the refs feel bad he fell down on his own?
I hate that this wasn't something I just naturally learned either from coaches or watching the game, and had to instead be corrected on what my understanding of the rule was, which is also a commentary about the call and enforcement of the call itself..........................but over-the-back is an often misconstrued rule.
It's all about contact and verticality. A player in front of another does not have the right to jump backwards into another player to get a rebound, if that other player has established his own space (think of the cylinder rule).
I've seen refs bail out players in this case a time or two before as well.
And that doesn't mean that the player behind can't still then change his position to create contact that impacts the player in front to where a foul could be warranted (for example when both are coming down with the ball).....but more often than not if two players are going straight up for a ball, and the player in front has to lean back for it, a foul should not be called automatically just because there's contact.
Nor should there be a foul if a taller player simply outjumps another player in front for a rebound without making contact that impacts their ability to make a play on the ball.
Yet in spite of these revelations over the years, it still remains one of the more contentious rules, amongst fans, in the game.
I didn’t see the play. Did he stop his dribble while stationary after going to the ground with dribble maintained or while/before going to the ground? Just being on the ground with the ball isn’t a travel itself.
and yet it was called all the time. Over the back may not have been the right term for it but it appears to be a foul most of the time and it's not called like it used to be
Or if you're Indiana/Holmes, you can sit on the ball and scoot across the floor and when we go to grab the ball, it's a jump ball lol
They did have such a rule, at least an enforced one, for about one or two OOC seasons.
Now, players are allowed the timeout while falling out of bounds all the time again.
Absolutely a travel. Just wasn't called. Both of his feet hit the floor and immediately he fell backwards lifting both feet off the ground. Literally took a fraction of a second. There is no way he or anyone else had time to call a time out. It doesn't matter that he hadn't establish a pivot foot because he could technically use either as such, but since both feet left the floor it's a travel.
I don't know how the refs can give them a TO when our players had a hand on the ball. It's a jump ball
Remember when “palming the ball” or ‘carrying’ the ball was called?
Different era now.
(Loved those old “peach baskets” too!)
Different era now.
(Loved those old “peach baskets” too!)
That was going to be a point of emphasis for the refs, but like all the point of emphasis rules, it was enforced briefly and then forgotten.
If you are on the floor with the ball it's traveling period. Just call it. The other thing i frinkin can't stand is when the offensive guy lowers his shoulder down in the blocks and plows in to the chest of the .defender. never a charge.
It happens all over the floor, but most times when a whistle happens after the offensive player either barrels into a defender or throws his body at the defense to create contact, its 99% of the time called against the defense.
That's either a 'play on' or correctly call the person who initiated/caused the need you felt to blow your whistle.
Drives me insane.
(although I will say that the refs did a great job of not erroneously calling a bunch of fouls on Iowa when PSU did just that continuously last night)
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