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FBI searches Biden's beach house amid classified documents investigation

That really isnt a good reason as they have very defined terms. Even if a sitting president loses like Trump did, they have almost 3 months to prepare. If a term is ending like Biden its even worse. He knew when he was moving for over 4 years.

Yes and no. They have that amount of time, but I don’t believe they officially start packing until late December or early January as there would still be stuff they have to get to during that lame duck period.

If nothing else, this entire thing demonstrates there is a lax attitude regarding who receives which documents, chain of custody, keeping track that documents are returned prior to leaving office.
 
What in the hell do you think the fvcking FBI is searching for right now? Documents that aren't missing?

You want to know what the Saudis paid 2 million for but don't want to know what "10% to the big guy" means, eh?
You ****ing idiot. They are searching fur documents marked classified. They aren't looking for anything more specific than that. JFC
 
Yup. And they both fall under the main category of "Have top secret documents they have no right having". The criminal who gets caught having breakfast and goes peacefully is only different than the criminal they caught hiding out, in their behavior AFTER committing the crime.

You wanna tack on "acted like a ass hole after the crime" to Trump. Fine. You're right. He did. Probably even obstructed justice. Great. But Biden is guilty as shit and seemingly way more reckless than Trump in regards to the handling of the classified materials.

I mean, except for the fact that Biden has cooperated with all searches, didn’t deny he had them, claimed they were declassified, fought tooth and nail to keep them, etc.

Biden is guilty of having documents post-terms in office. In and of itself that’s not a crime. It has not been established that Biden did so intentionally. Trump meanwhile has a difficult time making a similar claim considering his laundry list of defenses regarding his possession of those documents, to say nothing of the quantity discovered.

I will agree with you when they find Biden has classified files with documents missing, like Trump. I still want to know what the Saudis paid 2 billion for.

To be fair, I believe some classified files have been found with Biden. The difference is that Biden has cooperated with all searches.
 
What in the hell do you think the fvcking FBI is searching for right now?
They're searching for misplaced files WITH the classified folders/labels, intermixed with unclassified folders.

There has been NO indication of a file labeled "classified" with its contents missing. Which is what DOES appear to be the case for Trump.

And, again, Biden has voluntarily allowed all his stuff to be searched. Name one other former Senator or Representative or P/VP who has done this.
 
I mean, except for the fact that Biden has cooperated with all searches, didn’t deny he had them, claimed they were declassified, fought tooth and nail to keep them, etc.

Biden is guilty of having documents post-terms in office. In and of itself that’s not a crime. It has not been established that Biden did so intentionally. Trump meanwhile has a difficult time making a similar claim considering his laundry list of defenses regarding his possession of those documents, to say nothing of the quantity discovered.



To be fair, I believe some classified files have been found with Biden. The difference is that Biden has cooperated with all searches.
Who the hell is even comparing the two? Certainly not me. Throw Trump in jail forever. He's a lying crook that deserves no benefit of the doubt.

ANNNNNDDDDD Biden has been incredibly reckless, forgetful, stupid, demented and malfeasant with his access and taking of top secret documents and broke the law in doing so, as a Senator and Vice President. But hey, he is cooperative AFTER they found them. Should he punished in the same manner as Trump? No. But everyone should stop pretending that BEFORE Trump was uncooperative, they didn't want him thrown in jail for it. Hell, Huey said the only reason a person would have documents like that is to sell secrets to our enemies. Now suddenly it's all about him not being cooperative.
 
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Who the hell is even comparing the two? Certainly not me. Throw Trump in jail forever. He's a lying crook that deserves no benefit of the doubt.

ANNNNNDDDDD Biden has been incredibly reckless, forgetful, stupid, demented and malfeasant with his access and taking of top secret documents and broke the law in doing so, as a Senator and Vice President. But hey, he is cooperative AFTER they found them. Should he punished in the same manner as Trump? No. But everyone should stop pretending that BEFORE Trump was uncooperative, they didn't want him thrown in jail for it. Hell, Huey said the only reason a person would have documents like that is to sell secrets to our enemies. Now suddenly it's all about him not being cooperative.

Well you said Biden was “guilty as hell” when that’s not true.

Huey was over the top with his characterization, but come on; if Trump cooperates and turns the documents over when requested, it turns into a non-story. Instead he fought it, turned it into a legal battle, etc.
 
Joe, if he is so cooperative and transparent, why did he not release anything until AFTER the mid terms? An then it wasn’t released, it was leaked.

Hell, we're still wondering why trump never told us he paid off a porn star and playboy bunny right before the 2016 election. But, we're about to find out.
 
Well you said Biden was “guilty as hell” when that’s not true.

Huey was over the top with his characterization, but come on; if Trump cooperates and turns the documents over when requested, it turns into a non-story. Instead he fought it, turned it into a legal battle, etc.
You really think if Trump turned over the docs right away AND Biden never had any docs found, you guys all still wouldn't be talking about it and pressing for him to go to jail? Really? Come on man.
 
Who the hell is even comparing the two? Certainly not me. Throw Trump in jail forever. He's a lying crook that deserves no benefit of the doubt.

ANNNNNDDDDD Biden has been incredibly reckless, forgetful, stupid, demented and malfeasant with his access and taking of top secret documents and broke the law in doing so, as a Senator and Vice President. But hey, he is cooperative AFTER they found them. Should he punished in the same manner as Trump? No. But everyone should stop pretending that BEFORE Trump was uncooperative, they didn't want him thrown in jail for it. Hell, Huey said the only reason a person would have documents like that is to sell secrets to our enemies. Now suddenly it's all about him not being cooperative.

Well trump is the one who gave top secret info to the Russians in the Oval office. trump is the one who benefitted from Russia's help in building up to the 2016 election. trump is the one who stood on foreign soil and said he believed Putin over his own intelligence. So, please excuse anyone who might jump or not jump to the conclusion that trump might be the logical one of the three persons which include trump, Biden and Pence from selling secrets to the enemy.
 
You really think if Trump turned over the docs right away AND Biden never had any docs found, you guys all still wouldn't be talking about it and pressing for him to go to jail? Really? Come on man.
For this? Some probably would, sure. I wouldn’t.

this is yet another example of the coverup being worse than the actual crime.

for lots of reasons, some benign, some not; it’s now obvious that officials leaving office with documents they shouldn’t is far more common than the average person realized. that’s another conversation I wish this would evolve into.

if someone has docs they shouldn’t for being reasons such as misplaced, honest mistake etc., and return the docs as soon as they know, it’s a non-story to me. It’s something else entirely if they did so intentionally. Trumps actions post-FBI raid last fall do not indicate his is the case of the former situation.
 
You really think if Trump turned over the docs right away AND Biden never had any docs found, you guys all still wouldn't be talking about it and pressing for him to go to jail? Really? Come on man.

The legal experts I have faith in have said in order to prosecute, you have to show intent and there is only one of the three they feel have shown intent, trump.
 
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The legal experts I have faith in have said in order to prosecute, you have to show intent and there is only one of the three they feel have shown intent, trump.
Not according to all of the experts in this thread at the beginning of the Trump debacle.
For this? Some probably would, sure. I wouldn’t.

this is yet another example of the coverup being worse than the actual crime.

for lots of reasons, some benign, some not; it’s now obvious that officials leaving office with documents they shouldn’t is far more common than the average person realized. that’s another conversation I wish this would evolve into.

if someone has docs they shouldn’t for being reasons such as misplaced, honest mistake etc., and return the docs as soon as they know, it’s a non-story to me. It’s something else entirely if they did so intentionally. Trumps actions post-FBI raid last fall do not indicate his is the case of the former situation.
Read this thread. You were in it! So awesome.
 
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Check your opinion from last year.
My opinion from last year, was based on Trump KNOWING he had taken them, and NOT returning them.

Biden, in stark contrast, DID NOT KNOW he had them; when he identified their existence, he has voluntarily consented to FBI searches to ensure there are no more.

Trump (and his family) have not consented to ANY such search.

That you cannot tell the clear difference here indicates how far your tongue is sticking up Trump's butthole.
 
My opinion from last year, was based on Trump KNOWING he had taken them, and NOT returning them.

Biden, in stark contrast, DID NOT KNOW he had them; when he identified their existence, he has voluntarily consented to FBI searches to ensure there are no more.

Trump (and his family) have not consented to ANY such search.

That you cannot tell the clear difference here indicates how far your tongue is sticking up Trump's butthole.
Wait…you’re saying that when Biden left the secured area with the documents AS A SENATOR AND VP, he didn’t even know he had them?

That’s even dumber than what I thought you were trying to say.
 
Not according to all of the experts in this thread at the beginning of the Trump debacle.

Read this thread. You were in it! So awesome.

It’s crazy to me that you don’t see a difference between how Trump responded vs Biden.

Wait…you’re saying that when Biden left the secured area with the documents AS A SENATOR AND VP, he didn’t even know he had them?

That’s even dumber than what I thought you were trying to say.

Considering the thousands of boxes likely included a move like this, especially over the decades he had as a senator, is it really that hard to believe stuff simply got lost? With all the committees he’s sat on, all the briefings he’s attended, the documents he then took home to review, the number of people who worked for him, etc., it seems very plausible to me that stuff gets lost over time. I agree it shouldn’t happen, especially for important files like we’re talking about here, but I’m simply do not understand why you simply cannot accept the possibility that it was an accident.

If they find evidence he did so deliberately and knew he had stuff he shouldn’t, that’s a different argument.

But all we have - either of us, here are assumptions. Considering his cooperation since the story came out and from everything I’ve read, it seems more likely than not that these documents ended up where they did by accident. That’s not a certainty, and if information comes out to the contrary by all means @me with them.
 
Wait…you’re saying that when Biden left the secured area with the documents AS A SENATOR AND VP, he didn’t even know he had them?
Not if they got misfiled with other stuff.

And Trump KNEW he had them in a storage area, and refused to return them. So, you continue to make yourself look stupid by trying to claim they're the same thing. Within a few months of learning about their existence at his properties, Biden has had ALL of his properties searched and purged, voluntarily, by the FBI.

Show me any other Senator/VP/P/Representative who has had access to this stuff and has done the same.
 
I mean, except for the fact that Biden has cooperated with all searches, didn’t deny he had them, claimed they were declassified, fought tooth and nail to keep them, etc.

Biden is guilty of having documents post-terms in office. In and of itself that’s not a crime. It has not been established that Biden did so intentionally. Trump meanwhile has a difficult time making a similar claim considering his laundry list of defenses regarding his possession of those documents, to say nothing of the quantity discovered.



To be fair, I believe some classified files have been found with Biden. The difference is that Biden has cooperated with all searches.
Yes I understand that…but not classified documents that are gone from folders like Trump has had. Folders marked top secret with nothing in them. That’s what I’m getting at.
 
Not going to jump into the political bickering, but it's obvious that there is a problem with oldes taking paper files off a secure premises. I think all will agree that there needs to be updated protocols in place to prevent this going forward. Maybe a small cohort from within the IC needs to be tasked with transitioning not only from paper to electronic, but also into/out of office, and all the trails in between.
 
Not going to jump into the political bickering, but it's obvious that there is a problem with oldes taking paper files off a secure premises. I think all will agree that there needs to be updated protocols in place to prevent this going forward. Maybe a small cohort from within the IC needs to be tasked with transitioning not only from paper to electronic, but also into/out of office, and all the trails in between.
Indeed.
 
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Lol @ Joes Place desperately using smoke and mirrors to try to hide his obvious hypocrisy.
 
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Wait…you’re saying that when Biden left the secured area with the documents AS A SENATOR AND VP, he didn’t even know he had them?

That’s even dumber than what I thought you were trying to say.
You're an idiot. SMFH
 
It’s crazy to me that you don’t see a difference between how Trump responded vs Biden.



Considering the thousands of boxes likely included a move like this, especially over the decades he had as a senator, is it really that hard to believe stuff simply got lost? With all the committees he’s sat on, all the briefings he’s attended, the documents he then took home to review, the number of people who worked for him, etc., it seems very plausible to me that stuff gets lost over time. I agree it shouldn’t happen, especially for important files like we’re talking about here, but I’m simply do not understand why you simply cannot accept the possibility that it was an accident.

If they find evidence he did so deliberately and knew he had stuff he shouldn’t, that’s a different argument.

But all we have - either of us, here are assumptions. Considering his cooperation since the story came out and from everything I’ve read, it seems more likely than not that these documents ended up where they did by accident. That’s not a certainty, and if information comes out to the contrary by all means @me with them.
It’s crazy to me that you obviously can’t read. Why don’t you go back and read where I addressed the comparison.
 
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The FBI searched President Joe Biden’s beach house outside Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, on Wednesday morning, two sources familiar with the situation told NBC News.

A third source familiar with the matter said no warrant was involved and the search was consensual. It is unclear whether FBI agents are searching for something they know about or if it’s a random search for more classified documents.


Biden's personal attorney, Bob Bauer, said in a statement that the Department of Justice was conducting the search with Biden's full support and cooperation.


"Under DOJ’s standard procedures, in the interests of operational security and integrity, it sought to do this work without advance public notice, and we agreed to cooperate," Bauer said. "The search today is a further step in a thorough and timely DOJ process we will continue to fully support and facilitate. We will have further information at the conclusion of today’s search.”

Documents with classified markings were found earlier in Biden’s Wilmington residence and a Washington think tank office, but Bauer said earlier this month that no classified documents were found at the president's beach house. Biden's personal lawyers had searched the Wilmington and Rehoboth Beach residences for additional records, he said.

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"The president’s personal attorneys located a potential record bearing classified markings at the Wilmington residence, among stored materials inside a room adjacent to the garage," Bauer said in the earlier statement. "Once the president’s personal attorneys found this document, the president’s personal attorneys left the document where it was found and suspended their search of the specific space where it was located. Following the search at the Wilmington residence, the attorneys proceeded to the Rehoboth residence and conducted a search there. No potential records were identified at the Rehoboth Beach residence, and the attorneys returned to Washington, D.C., late in the evening."

The FBI previously searched the offices of the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in mid-November after classified documents were discovered there, NBC News reported Tuesday.

Did they sweep in under cover of darkness with weapons drawn wearing full SWAT gear?


Asking for a friend.
 
Lol @ Joes Place desperately using smoke and mirrors
What "smoke and mirrors"?

Biden openly allowed the FBI to search ALL of his properties for misfiled stuff.
Trump KNEW he had classified stuff for over a YEAR, and it took a warrant for FBI to collect it.

What's Trump's butthole taste like, Cletus?
 
Not if they got misfiled with other stuff.

And Trump KNEW he had them in a storage area, and refused to return them. So, you continue to make yourself look stupid by trying to claim they're the same thing. Within a few months of learning about their existence at his properties, Biden has had ALL of his properties searched and purged, voluntarily, by the FBI.

Show me any other Senator/VP/P/Representative who has had access to this stuff and has done the same.
Why do you keep lying by saying I’m saying it’s the same thing? In this very thread (#45) I said they aren’t the same thing. Play #1 of Joes playbook. Ignore everything that hurts your argument and make shit up.
Except you really haven’t. You just keep harping on how what Biden did was soooooo bad without ever explaining how you keep jumping to the assumption that he did all this on purpose.
Jesus Christ. I never said he did it on purpose. In fact I said he’s fvcking negligent and demented and has no clue what the fvck is going on! He’s admitted it several times.

And for some reason, you, Joes, Huey and Paris all think that this is some sort of badge of honor. He’s proven that he’s not careful, responsible, coherent enough to have access to top secret documents. And the fact they keep popping up all over the goddamned place is proof that you all seem to not want to address.
 
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What "smoke and mirrors"?

Biden openly allowed the FBI to search ALL of his properties for misfiled stuff.
Trump KNEW he had classified stuff for over a YEAR, and it took a warrant for FBI to collect it.

What's Trump's butthole taste like, Cletus?
It’s like you’re trying to see how wrong you can be.
 
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