March 6 NET Rankings: Iowa Drops 4 Spots to #37 (was #60 on Jan 8). Has 6 Quad 1 Wins (Purdue leads the B1G w/ 9)

[Franisdaman]

Upcoming game:

Quad 2: Thur March 9 vs #63 NET Ohio State or #78 NET Wisconsin, 1:30 pm CT, BTN


Note that:

* The away #78 NET Wisconsin loss is now a Quad 2 loss.

* The home losses to #78 NET Wisconsin & #92 Nebraska are our Quad 3 losses.

* Illinois DROPPED to a Quad 2 win.

* The home win over Rutgers is now Quad 2 win.

* The win at Seton Hall is now Quad 1 win.


March 6 NET Rankings:

Quad 1: Home (1-30), Neutral (1-50), Away (1-75)

IOWA's Quad 1 wins (6):
#20 Iowa State
at #40 Rutgers
#29 Indiana
#26 Maryland
at #29 Indiana
at #75 Seton Hall


Quad 2: Home (31-75), Neutral (51-100), Away (76-135)

IOWA's Quad 2 wins (7):
#61 Clemson (neutral site)
#38 Northwestern
#54 Michigan
#63 Ohio State
#33 Illinois
#40 Rutgers
#31 Michigan State


Quad 3: Home (76-160), Neutral (101-200), Away (136-240)
Quad 4: Home (161-358), Neutral (201-358), Away (241-358)


NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4

5	5	Purdue	Big Ten	26-5	8-3	4-0	14-2	9-4	7-1	5-0	5-0
26	26	Maryland	Big Ten	20-11	2-9	2-1	16-1	3-9	5-2	4-0	8-0
29	28	Indiana	Big Ten	21-10	5-7	1-1	15-2	5-8	6-2	4-0	6-0
31	31	Michigan St.	Big Ten	19-11	5-7	2-2	12-2	6-9	6-1	3-1	4-0
33	34	Illinois	Big Ten	20-11	3-7	2-2	15-2	2-10	7-1	4-0	7-0
37	33	Iowa	Big Ten	19-12	4-7	1-2	14-3	6-7	7-2	1-2	5-1
38	45	Northwestern	Big Ten	21-10	7-4	1-1	13-5	7-5	4-5	2-0	8-0
40	37	Rutgers	Big Ten	18-13	4-7	0-1	14-5	5-6	4-4	2-3	7-0
54	53	Michigan	Big Ten	17-14	3-7	2-3	12-4	3-11	5-2	5-0	4-1
56	57	Penn St.	Big Ten	19-12	4-7	2-1	13-4	5-6	4-5	4-1	6-0
63	63	Ohio St.	Big Ten	13-18	1-10	2-2	10-6	2-12	5-4	0-1	6-1
78	78	Wisconsin	Big Ten	17-13	5-6	3-1	9-6	6-7	5-5	1-1	5-0
92	94	Nebraska	Big Ten	16-15	4-9	1-2	11-4	4-10	3-5	2-0	7-0
231	230	Minnesota	Big Ten	8-21	1-9	1-1	6-11	1-10	1-8	1-2	5-1

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Original Post (Monday, Jan 9):


What a difference a game (hell, a week) makes.

Quad 1: Home (1-30), Neutral (1-50), Away (1-75)

The Quad 1 wins:
at #74 Seton Hall
#15 Iowa State
#25 Indiana
at #20 Rutgers


NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4

5	5	Purdue	Big Ten	15-1	3-0	5-0	7-1	5-1	2-0	4-0	4-0
14	11	Ohio St.	Big Ten	10-5	1-2	2-2	7-1	2-5	2-0	0-0	6-0
20	14	Rutgers	Big Ten	11-5	1-2	0-1	10-2	2-2	1-2	2-1	6-0
25	18	Indiana	Big Ten	10-5	1-3	1-1	8-1	2-4	0-1	1-0	7-0
37	37	Illinois	Big Ten	10-5	0-2	2-2	8-1	2-4	1-1	1-0	6-0
39	48	Maryland	Big Ten	11-5	1-3	2-1	8-1	2-4	2-1	0-0	7-0
42	60	Iowa	Big Ten	10-6	2-2	1-2	7-2	4-3	1-2	1-0	4-1
47	57	Northwestern	Big Ten	12-3	3-0	1-1	8-2	2-2	2-1	1-0	7-0
52	52	Michigan St.	Big Ten	11-4	2-1	2-2	7-1	2-2	1-1	4-1	4-0
56	61	Wisconsin	Big Ten	11-3	2-1	3-1	6-1	2-2	3-0	1-1	5-0
63	64	Penn St.	Big Ten	11-5	1-2	2-2	8-1	1-3	2-2	3-0	5-0
77	78	Michigan	Big Ten	9-6	1-1	2-3	6-2	0-4	3-1	3-0	3-1
83	84	Nebraska	Big Ten	9-7	2-4	1-2	6-1	1-5	1-2	1-0	6-0
235	237	Minnesota	Big Ten	6-8	0-3	1-1	5-4	0-3	0-2	1-2	5-1

 

[Franisdaman]

Huge 9 days coming up for the 2-3 in the B1G Hawks.

Iowa's next 3 games are at home:

Thur Jan 12, Michigan (#77 NET; Quad 3 opportunity), 6 pm tip, ESPN2
Sun Jan 15, Maryland (#39 NET; Quad 2 opportunity), TBD, BTN
Wed Jan 18, N'western (#47 NET; Quad 2 opportunity), 8 pm, BTN


Lets face it, we looked headed for an L against IU when down by 21 points. Nobody had us winning at RU. We were looking at an 0-5 start in the B1G. Instead, we are now 2-3 and if we hold serve at home, we suddenly are 5-3. Crazy.

Let's go Hawks!!

 

[CookyMonster]

Every game is huge. Doesnt matter if its 9 days from now or 23. Weird take.

 

[Franisdaman]

Every game is huge. Doesnt matter if its 9 days from now or 23. Weird take.

I demand that you accept my sincerest apologies for the outrage that I clearly caused you.

Thank you.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

I would not have guessed that Seton Hall was still a Q1 win and that Clemson wasn't in the top 50.

That Q4 loss is just horrendously horrendous. I hope that somehow Eastern Illinois can win some more games to at least be a Q3 but that is going to take a lot of help.

 

[CookyMonster]

I demand that you accept my sincerest apologies for the outrage that I clearly caused you.

Thank you.

Ok weirdo

 

[Franisdaman]

I would not have guessed that Seton Hall was still a Q1 win and that Clemson wasn't in the top 50.

That Q4 loss is just horrendously horrendous. I hope that somehow Eastern Illinois can win some more games to at least be a Q3 but that is going to take a lot of help.

#54 Clemson is close to a Quad 1 win; as you noted, they just have to improve to #50 or better.

Eastern Illinois (4-11) is currently #335. To become a Quad 3 loss, they'd have to improve to #160 or better. Without looking at their remaining schedule, I doubt their NET ranking is going to improve much.

Not sure if there is a "what if" thing out there but I wonder if we took out the Eastern Illinois result what our NET ranking would be.

 

[JRHawk2003]

How many Quad 1 wins does it take to cancel out a Quad 4 loss?

 

[ObeseMuffins]

I'm thinking the commitee considers that we were without two starters for the Eastern Illinois game.

 

[General Tso]

I'm thinking the commitee considers that we were without two starters for the Eastern Illinois game.

It was against Eastern Illinois - I don't think the committee would care if we were down 5 starters.

 

[HawkHoops80]

How many Quad 1 wins does it take to cancel out a Quad 4 loss?

Well last year there were 3 teams that got an at-large bid with a Q4 loss.

Rutgers #80 NET: Q4 loss, 2 Q3 losses, 2-4 in Q2, 7-7 in Q1 (4-4 against Q1A)--Last 4 In

UNC #17 NET: Q4 loss, no other loss outside Q1, 4-8 in Q1--8 seed

San Francisco #26 NET: Q4 loss, 4-2 Q2, 4-6 in Q1--10 seed

 

[HawkHoops80]

FWIW, as of today Iowa has 9 remaining Q1 games (7 road/2 home).

 

[Bishop1971]

FWIW, as of today Iowa has 9 remaining Q1 games (7 road/2 home).

See if they can play well on the road like the Rutgers game.

 

[RocknRollface]

This year is the best argument possible for why you should never schedule q4 type teams.

Even a win hurts your ranking.

Its a zero reward scenario.

 

[JRHawk2003]

This year is the best argument possible for why you should never schedule q4 type teams.

Even a win hurts your ranking.

Its a zero reward scenario.

and Fran does not want to play UNI and Drake anymore.

 

[ZumaHawk]

Yep that loss to Eastern Illinois hurt no doubt but I think the team was going through the motions waiting for someone to be the leader. Makes me wonder if this was the start of Patrick’s situation. 🤷‍♂️

Still hurts though!

 

[RocknRollface]

and Fran does not want to play UNI and Drake anymore.

Its not an either or scenario.

You'd be better off playing major conference opponents than those two.

 

[HawkHoops80]

This year is the best argument possible for why you should never schedule q4 type teams.

Even a win hurts your ranking.

Its a zero reward scenario.

A win doesn't always hurt your ranking--especially when the team is efficient. Iowa won their other 4 Q4 games all by 30+ and while it may seem silly, that has helped them boost their efficiency numbers on analytic metrics like KenPom, Sagarin, etc. Until the tournament committee decides to not consider efficiency metrics (KenPom, Sagarin, BPI, and partially NET) then it's beneficial to beat up on some of these teams like Iowa has done in recent history.
There needs to be a balance--losses against Q3 teams aren't as bad as Q4 but it's not that much better. And those teams are all WAY more capable of winning. A reminder is that home Q3 is #76-160; that's basically filled with the best mid major teams and the below average high major schools. Georgia Tech is currently the only Q3 game Iowa has played up to this point.
The simple answer is to just not lose to Eastern Illinois. It shouldn't be that difficult of a thing to avoid, and yet here we are.

 

[HawkHoops80]

Its not an either or scenario.

You'd be better off playing major conference opponents than those two.

Okay, so since we are on the topic of Non-Conference scheduling we may as well discuss.

Iowa has 11 non-conference games to fill:

• There's the obvious home-and-home series that we have with ISU.
• We should always schedule to play in a MTE on a neutral site against power 6 programs (next year San Diego with Seton Hall, USC, and Oklahoma)
• We hopefully replace the ACC/B1G with something comparable
• Every 2 years we get a Big East game

That leaves Iowa with 6-7 games they have to schedule. If I was made scheduling czar this would be what I would do:

• Always a neutral site game against a projected top-50 opponent
• Get a rotating home and home series with a power 6 opponent--change this up every 2 years to target teams trending upward. Have this be in Carver when we are at Hilton and visa-versa.
• Schedule a solid mid-major opponent from Mountain West or American to play in Des Moines or Sioux Falls while students aren't on campus (similar to Utah St).
• Schedule 3 cupcake Q4 opponents, avoid breaks and target non-regional schools whom have to travel and have no ties to the state of Iowa.

That to me feels like the perfect mix.

 

[RocknRollface]

A win doesn't always hurt your ranking--especially when the team is efficient. Iowa won their other 4 Q4 games all by 30+ and while it may seem silly, that has helped them boost their efficiency numbers on analytic metrics like KenPom, Sagarin, etc. Until the tournament committee decides to not consider efficiency metrics (KenPom, Sagarin, BPI, and partially NET) then it's beneficial to beat up on some of these teams like Iowa has done in recent history.
There needs to be a balance--losses against Q3 teams aren't as bad as Q4 but it's not that much better. And those teams are all WAY more capable of winning. A reminder is that home Q3 is #76-160; that's basically filled with the best mid major teams and the below average high major schools. Georgia Tech is currently the only Q3 game Iowa has played up to this point.
The simple answer is to just not lose to Eastern Illinois. It shouldn't be that difficult of a thing to avoid, and yet here we are.

Thats a solid point about the scoring metrics I was not considering.

Im still not convinced its enough to justify playing those teams just given that one off night can be a disaster and you have to blow them out for it to be a positive.

But that at least provides an understandable rationale behind it.

 

[Bishop1971]

As much as i respect uni i don't want to play them. Ben Jacobson is a really good coach. No need to play with fire.

 

[RocknRollface]

As much as i respect uni i don't want to play them. Ben Jacobson is a really good coach. No need to play with fire.

Yeah, theres more to lose than gain playing those teams given their relatively low rankings but increased chance of winning.

Although if they were willing to only play in IC then maybe.

 

[Franisdaman]

Iowa has played the most Quad 1 games of this list.






The full list:

 

[Franisdaman]

Now we have all of the times for Iowa's next 3 games, which are ALL at home:

Thur Jan 12, Michigan (#77 NET; Quad 3 opportunity), 6 pm, ESPN2
Sun Jan 15, Maryland (#39 NET; Quad 2 opportunity), 3:30 pm, BTN
Wed Jan 18, N'western (#47 NET; Quad 2 opportunity), 8 pm, BTN

 

[Franisdaman]

When we played PSU there, was it considered a neutral site?

 

[ISUBryceC]

This year is the best argument possible for why you should never schedule q4 type teams.

Even a win hurts your ranking.

Its a zero reward scenario.

A close win does hurt you. If you blow the team out like you should, it's fine.

 

[Franisdaman]

Jan 13 NET Rankings

Quad 1: Home (1-30), Neutral (1-50), Away (1-75)

The Quad 1 wins:
at #69 Seton Hall
#10 Iowa State
at #17 Rutgers


NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4

4	3	Purdue	Big Ten	15-1	4-0	4-0	7-1	6-1	1-0	4-0	4-0
17	18	Rutgers	Big Ten	12-5	2-2	0-1	10-2	2-2	2-2	2-1	6-0
21	14	Ohio St.	Big Ten	10-6	1-2	2-2	7-2	2-5	2-0	0-0	6-1
26	26	Illinois	Big Ten	11-5	1-2	2-2	8-1	2-4	2-1	1-0	6-0
37	37	Indiana	Big Ten	10-6	1-4	1-1	8-1	1-5	1-1	2-0	6-0
38	40	Iowa	Big Ten	11-6	2-2	1-2	8-2	3-3	2-2	2-0	4-1
39	38	Maryland	Big Ten	11-5	1-3	2-1	8-1	3-4	1-1	0-0	7-0
41	41	Michigan St.	Big Ten	12-4	3-1	2-2	7-1	2-2	2-1	4-1	4-0
51	52	Penn St.	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-1	9-2	1-2	2-3	4-0	5-0
52	51	Northwestern	Big Ten	12-4	3-0	1-1	8-3	3-3	1-1	1-0	7-0
60	61	Wisconsin	Big Ten	11-4	2-1	3-1	6-2	2-2	3-1	1-1	5-0
77	78	Michigan	Big Ten	9-7	1-2	2-3	6-2	0-5	3-1	3-0	3-1
95	96	Nebraska	Big Ten	9-8	2-4	1-2	6-2	1-7	1-1	1-0	6-0
214	241	Minnesota	Big Ten	7-8	1-3	1-1	5-4	1-3	0-2	1-2	5-1

 

[Franisdaman]

#38 Maryland at #39 Iowa tomorrow.

Both teams have 3 quad 1 wins.


Jan 14 NET Rankings:


NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4

3	4	Purdue	Big Ten	16-1	4-0	4-0	8-1	6-1	1-0	5-0	4-0
17	17	Rutgers	Big Ten	12-5	2-2	0-1	10-2	2-2	2-2	2-1	6-0
21	21	Ohio St.	Big Ten	10-6	1-2	2-2	7-2	2-5	2-0	0-0	6-1
24	26	Illinois	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-2	9-1	2-4	3-1	1-0	6-0
37	37	Indiana	Big Ten	10-6	1-4	1-1	8-1	1-5	1-1	2-0	6-0
38	39	Maryland	Big Ten	11-5	1-3	2-1	8-1	3-4	1-1	0-0	7-0
39	38	Iowa	Big Ten	11-6	2-2	1-2	8-2	3-3	2-2	2-0	4-1
48	41	Michigan St.	Big Ten	12-5	3-2	2-2	7-1	2-3	2-1	4-1	4-0
51	52	Northwestern	Big Ten	12-4	3-0	1-1	8-3	3-3	1-1	1-0	7-0
53	51	Penn St.	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-1	9-2	1-2	2-3	4-0	5-0
58	60	Wisconsin	Big Ten	11-4	2-1	3-1	6-2	2-2	3-1	1-1	5-0
78	77	Michigan	Big Ten	9-7	1-2	2-3	6-2	0-5	3-1	3-0	3-1
94	95	Nebraska	Big Ten	9-9	2-5	1-2	6-2	1-8	1-1	1-0	6-0
214	214	Minnesota	Big Ten	7-8	1-3	1-1	5-4	1-3	0-2	1-2	5-1

 

[paladinhawk]

Clemson beating Duke. Clemson will get closer to a NET ranking of 50 (which would give Iowa another Quad 1 win).

 

[BustingNarratives]

Clemson beating Duke. Clemson will get closer to a NET ranking of 50 (which would give Iowa another Quad 1 win).

If Clemson is not top 50 in the next rating update they should be soon with three very winnable games coming up against Wake, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Hard to believe Clemson is 15-3 overall and 7-0 in the ACC and they are not a Quad 1 yet.

 

[Franisdaman]

Clemson beating Duke. Clemson will get closer to a NET ranking of 50 (which would give Iowa another Quad 1 win).

If Clemson is not top 50 in the next rating update they should be soon with three very winnable games coming up against Wake, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech. Hard to believe Clemson is 15-3 overall and 7-0 in the ACC and they are not a Quad 1 yet.

That was a big win for Clemson

 

[Franisdaman]

TCU was ranked #31 in the NET to start today.

Iowa lost to TCU 79-66 in the Emerald Coast Classic Championship game.

Today, TCU beat #11 K-State 82-68 and is now 14-3 and 3-2 in the Big 12. K-State falls to 15-2, 4-1.

 

[kceasthawk]

Yeah, theres more to lose than gain playing those teams given their relatively low rankings but increased chance of winning.

Although if they were willing to only play in IC then maybe.

Which neither They or Drake are going down that road, which is why were not playing them anymore. Sucks because I loved the Big 4 Classic in Des Moines every year. It was my one chance a year (even working Saturdays) to get to an Iowa game live. Could see two good games, and spend the evening in DM, and head home mid day Sunday. Always looked forward to that weekend.

 

[kceasthawk]

#38 Maryland at #39 Iowa tomorrow.

Both teams have 3 quad 1 wins.


Jan 14 NET Rankings:


NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4

3	4	Purdue	Big Ten	16-1	4-0	4-0	8-1	6-1	1-0	5-0	4-0
17	17	Rutgers	Big Ten	12-5	2-2	0-1	10-2	2-2	2-2	2-1	6-0
21	21	Ohio St.	Big Ten	10-6	1-2	2-2	7-2	2-5	2-0	0-0	6-1
24	26	Illinois	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-2	9-1	2-4	3-1	1-0	6-0
37	37	Indiana	Big Ten	10-6	1-4	1-1	8-1	1-5	1-1	2-0	6-0
38	39	Maryland	Big Ten	11-5	1-3	2-1	8-1	3-4	1-1	0-0	7-0
39	38	Iowa	Big Ten	11-6	2-2	1-2	8-2	3-3	2-2	2-0	4-1
48	41	Michigan St.	Big Ten	12-5	3-2	2-2	7-1	2-3	2-1	4-1	4-0
51	52	Northwestern	Big Ten	12-4	3-0	1-1	8-3	3-3	1-1	1-0	7-0
53	51	Penn St.	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-1	9-2	1-2	2-3	4-0	5-0
58	60	Wisconsin	Big Ten	11-4	2-1	3-1	6-2	2-2	3-1	1-1	5-0
78	77	Michigan	Big Ten	9-7	1-2	2-3	6-2	0-5	3-1	3-0	3-1
94	95	Nebraska	Big Ten	9-9	2-5	1-2	6-2	1-8	1-1	1-0	6-0
214	214	Minnesota	Big Ten	7-8	1-3	1-1	5-4	1-3	0-2	1-2	5-1

Interesting chart. So we're complaining about Iowa playing Q4 teams (5 games) and yet all the teams in the conference above us have played 6 or 7 games against Q4. Not just an Iowa thing then is it?

 

[Franisdaman]

Iowa has 3 quad 1 wins entering today, but, as you can see, we're very close to having 5.

Purdue leads the B1G with 6 Quad 1 wins.


Jan 15 NET Rankings

Quad 1: Home (1-30), Neutral (1-50), Away (1-75)

The Quad 1 wins:
at #67 Seton Hall
#10 Iowa State
at #18 Rutgers


Quad 2: Home (31-75), Neutral (51-100), Away (76-135)

The Quad 2 wins:
#51 Clemson (neutral site)
#32 Indiana


NET
Rank..Previous..Record...Road..Neutral..Home..Quad1...Quad 2...Quad 3...Quad 4

4	3	Purdue	Big Ten	16-1	4-0	4-0	8-1	6-1	1-0	4-0	5-0
18	17	Rutgers	Big Ten	12-5	2-2	0-1	10-2	2-2	3-2	1-1	6-0
21	21	Ohio St.	Big Ten	10-6	1-2	2-2	7-2	2-5	2-0	0-0	6-1
23	24	Illinois	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-2	9-1	2-3	3-2	1-0	6-0
32	37	Indiana	Big Ten	11-6	1-4	1-1	9-1	1-5	2-1	2-0	6-0
37	39	Iowa	Big Ten	11-6	2-2	1-2	8-2	3-3	2-2	2-0	4-1
40	38	Maryland	Big Ten	11-5	1-3	2-1	8-1	3-4	1-1	0-0	7-0
44	48	Michigan St.	Big Ten	12-5	3-2	2-2	7-1	3-3	1-1	4-1	4-0
54	51	Northwestern	Big Ten	12-4	3-0	1-1	8-3	3-3	1-1	1-0	7-0
55	53	Penn St.	Big Ten	12-5	1-2	2-1	9-2	1-2	2-3	4-0	5-0
69	58	Wisconsin	Big Ten	11-5	2-2	3-1	6-2	2-3	3-2	1-0	5-0
78	78	Michigan	Big Ten	9-7	1-2	2-3	6-2	0-6	3-0	3-0	3-1
97	94	Nebraska	Big Ten	9-9	2-5	1-2	6-2	1-8	1-1	1-0	6-0
208	214	Minnesota	Big Ten	7-8	1-3	1-1	5-4	1-3	0-2	1-2	5-1

 

[paladinhawk]

Interesting chart. So we're complaining about Iowa playing Q4 teams (5 games) and yet all the teams in the conference above us have played 6 or 7 games against Q4. Not just an Iowa thing then is it?

And I'm still trying to figure out how Ohio State's ranking is that high.

It looks like they have four 30+ wins which bumps up their efficiency rating I guess. Iowa has three...

 

[kceasthawk]

And I'm still trying to figure out how Ohio State's ranking is that high.

It looks like they have four 30+ wins which bumps up their efficiency rating I guess. Iowa has three...

Your correct. Hard to believe they'd be that far ahead of us, since those metrics don't look much better. Iowa still have plenty of time to play their way into a decent seed with their upcoming schedule though.

 

[paladinhawk]

Your correct. Hard to believe they'd be that far ahead of us, since those metrics don't look much better. Iowa still have plenty of time to play their way into a decent seed with their upcoming schedule though.

OSU's efficiency rating has to drop after this Rutgers game...probably won't help Iowa but OSU ranking seems like fool's gold.

 

[NevadaHawk]

Its not an either or scenario.

You'd be better off playing major conference opponents than those two.

I get the argument but I would rather Iowa would schedule UNI than Eastern Illinois.

 

[Franisdaman]

Big Quad 2 win today for Iowa over Maryland.

Also, today, Rutgers (#18 NET Ranking) beat Ohio State (#21 NET Ranking) 68-64 in OT. The Iowa win at Rutgers looks better and better.

OSU is now 10-7 and 2-4 in the B1G. RU improves to 13-5, 5-2