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Completely agree. I'm not a fan of the buyout, but it hasn't been what's stopped us from firing KF. He would still be here if there was no buyout. He has earned one more year. That is it.Originally posted by Hawks2405:
I honestly don't blame Barta at all for what he did. Coming off of that 2009 trip to the Orange Bowl coupled with Ferentz giving Iowa fans the greatest decade of Iowa football, it made complete sense to lock him in for the long run. Ferentz just hasn't performed over the course of the last 5-6 years for whatever reason. I am not sure if he can turn it around for Ferentz 3.0 or not but the contract was not a bad thing at the time. We had to deal with the constant NFL and Penn State rumors and Barta was able to squash those with the contract. I think Ferentz didn't pay Norm Parker enough money and it's obvious that he was a defensive guru that is sorely missed. The Greg Davis hire was the worst thing that he could have possibly done. I see that as the fork in the road. Ferentz could have taken us somewhere interesting but he decided to hire a guy from the old guard and I just don't think that the two philosophies mesh well. You either need to be a spread team or you need to be a power run team. They don't work together and it's been one hell of an ugly marriage. Just my two cents.
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Barta apparently disagrees with you. He said a couple of months ago that he'll never give another 10 year contract to any coach. I'm pretty sure he realizes he made a big mistake.Originally posted by Hawks2405:
I honestly don't blame Barta at all for what he did. Coming off of that 2009 trip to the Orange Bowl coupled with Ferentz giving Iowa fans the greatest decade of Iowa football, it made complete sense to lock him in for the long run. Ferentz just hasn't performed over the course of the last 5-6 years for whatever reason. I am not sure if he can turn it around for Ferentz 3.0 or not but the contract was not a bad thing at the time. We had to deal with the constant NFL and Penn State rumors and Barta was able to squash those with the contract. I think Ferentz didn't pay Norm Parker enough money and it's obvious that he was a defensive guru that is sorely missed. The Greg Davis hire was the worst thing that he could have possibly done. I see that as the fork in the road. Ferentz could have taken us somewhere interesting but he decided to hire a guy from the old guard and I just don't think that the two philosophies mesh well. You either need to be a spread team or you need to be a power run team. They don't work together and it's been one hell of an ugly marriage. Just my two cents.
This post was edited on 3/26 2:16 PM by Hawks2405
Giving Ferentz the money he did was not a mistake, but the length of the contract was a mistake.Originally posted by Taw Jackson:
Barta apparently disagrees with you. He said a couple of months ago that he'll never give another 10 year contract to any coach. I'm pretty sure he realizes he made a big mistake.Originally posted by Hawks2405:
I honestly don't blame Barta at all for what he did. Coming off of that 2009 trip to the Orange Bowl coupled with Ferentz giving Iowa fans the greatest decade of Iowa football, it made complete sense to lock him in for the long run. Ferentz just hasn't performed over the course of the last 5-6 years for whatever reason. I am not sure if he can turn it around for Ferentz 3.0 or not but the contract was not a bad thing at the time. We had to deal with the constant NFL and Penn State rumors and Barta was able to squash those with the contract. I think Ferentz didn't pay Norm Parker enough money and it's obvious that he was a defensive guru that is sorely missed. The Greg Davis hire was the worst thing that he could have possibly done. I see that as the fork in the road. Ferentz could have taken us somewhere interesting but he decided to hire a guy from the old guard and I just don't think that the two philosophies mesh well. You either need to be a spread team or you need to be a power run team. They don't work together and it's been one hell of an ugly marriage. Just my two cents.
This post was edited on 3/26 2:16 PM by Hawks2405
I think he's "earned" the right to get canned. Like the contract or don't like the contract, Kirk hasn't lived up to it from a winning Football Games perspective, which is typically why the "great" Coaches receive the big contracts.Originally posted by Mohawkeye:
Completely agree. I'm not a fan of the buyout, but it hasn't been what's stopped us from firing KF. He would still be here if there was no buyout. He has earned one more year. That is it.Originally posted by Hawks2405:
I honestly don't blame Barta at all for what he did. Coming off of that 2009 trip to the Orange Bowl coupled with Ferentz giving Iowa fans the greatest decade of Iowa football, it made complete sense to lock him in for the long run. Ferentz just hasn't performed over the course of the last 5-6 years for whatever reason. I am not sure if he can turn it around for Ferentz 3.0 or not but the contract was not a bad thing at the time. We had to deal with the constant NFL and Penn State rumors and Barta was able to squash those with the contract. I think Ferentz didn't pay Norm Parker enough money and it's obvious that he was a defensive guru that is sorely missed. The Greg Davis hire was the worst thing that he could have possibly done. I see that as the fork in the road. Ferentz could have taken us somewhere interesting but he decided to hire a guy from the old guard and I just don't think that the two philosophies mesh well. You either need to be a spread team or you need to be a power run team. They don't work together and it's been one hell of an ugly marriage. Just my two cents.
This post was edited on 3/26 2:16 PM by Hawks2405
Originally posted by Hawks2405:
Meh, being an Iowa fan is s funny thing. Hindsight is 20/20 as it looks like a terrible contract now but had Ferentz left for say Michigan or Penn State when he was the hottest coaching commodity in football then we would all loathe Gary Barta and he would be the worst AD in the history of college football because he let Ferentz get away. I truly believe that Ferentz is hamstrung by recruiting. If that guy had the access to high profile recruits then he would be as good as Saban. His o-lines with 4 and 5 star guys would just crush people. I get frustrated and upset with Ferentz as much as the next guy but I'm honestly not sure who would do a better job and we would need to make a really good choice if you buy his contract out and fire him because it wouldn't take much for us to sink down to the bottom of the barrel. I'm not sure what the answer is anymore. Maybe we should really relish 7-5 seasons because that might be as good as it gets for us.
And beat us, twice.Originally posted by iahawkeyes17:
I can see why you maybe over pay a coach at a school like Iowa so you don't have a dilemma at Wisconsin where Bielema leaves for more $ among other things to take the Arkansas job. It's the length and buyout that made it so bad. Barta over reacted a little too much after the Orange Bowl.
I think too one pretty bad contract/extension KF overshadows is Rhoads at ISU. Guy got a 10yr $20million contract extension after the OSU upset. Since then he hasn't done anything but spiral downwards.
I know it was bandied about in the post-season and I'm too lazy to look it up, but how long has it been since we've beaten a Division 1 school with a winning record?Originally posted by EpenesaEpenesa:
The only thing that has saved Ferentz the past few years is an extremely soft schedule. Iowa hasnt beaten a ranked opponent since 2011 against Michigan. 3 years since this program has defeated a ranked opponent.
I believe it would be Nebraska in the 2013 season (although technically UNI in 2014, as they are D1 - FCS, but I know what you are saying). It's been a while.Originally posted by LarryMullenJr.:
I know it was bandied about in the post-season and I'm too lazy to look it up, but how long has it been since we've beaten a Division 1 school with a winning record?Originally posted by EpenesaEpenesa:
The only thing that has saved Ferentz the past few years is an extremely soft schedule. Iowa hasnt beaten a ranked opponent since 2011 against Michigan. 3 years since this program has defeated a ranked opponent.
I completely agree with that assessment. Ever since that fake punt things have been different. Sad.Originally posted by revkev73:
After BB and Wisky faked out KF and the staff at Iowa City...things are different...we have a below average program with a burned out but wealthy coach.
Coaching energy is needed to get better...the fans get excuses and rationalizations...