Flo hearts NATO...

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133 Predictions - Flo

CP only picking NATO to go undefeated and win it all....joke. The B1G is loaded at 133, no way he makes it through undefeated.

CP's Predictions:
1. Nathan Tomasello, Ohio State
2. Cory Clark, Iowa
3. Zane Richards, Illinois
4. Jaydin Eierman, Missouri
5. Stevan Micic, Michigan
6. Kaid Brock, Ok State
7. Eric Montoya, Nebraska
8. Jered Cortez, Penn State

This is Cory's year !

 

[DonHawkeye]

Pyles gets a stiffy when for any guy that moves up. At the same time he blatantly ignores the number of failed attempts of moving up. Just like there are guys that move up and have success every year there are also examples of guy's that move up that suffer because of it. There are also guys ever year that toy with moving up only to realize it was a bad idea and move back down.

Moving up can be a great move for a lot of wrestlers but it is a little more complicated than equating moving up with better or equal results. There are enough cases of moves up resulting in lower performance to not at least give a little pause when a guy moves up. And as far as NATO goes it always seemed the lankier quality guys he wrestled gave him a harder time, seems like he would see a few more of them at 133.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

I like the Eierman pick. IMO its not just the top 3 and the rest. This guy is on that level. But In the end I still favor Cory to bring it home. He reminds me a bit of Mark Perry. He wont go undefeated in the season and will likely lose a head scratcher or two,but when he gets to the big stage he will get it done. Verse the other 133, Corey's ability to manage the clock, ride come OT if needed and come up with that x factor reversal type move that will win out.

 

[1stplacehawk]

I don't get all the Eierman love. I guess we'll see

 

[Omahahawk86]

I love the majority of CP's stuff but the Eierman stuff as a title contender is a joke. If he says Nato, Richards, Clark or even Brock as title contenders I get it. I can even stomach the thinking of NATO being an undefeated champ.

Eierman is average on his feet and very good on top. He is much better at fokstyle than freestyle. Some recent freestyle losses include Yhanni, Scott Parker and Kolodzik.

Last year during his redshirt year he got hammered by both Gasca and Richards.

I understand people get better. I'm sure he improved a ton this offseason but to say he is a contender over a guy like Brock(who pinned the returning champ) is a joke.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I don't get all the Eierman love. I guess we'll see

I love the majority of CP's stuff but the Eierman stuff as a title contender is a joke. If he says Nato, Richards, Clark or even Brock as title contenders I get it. I can even stomach the thinking of NATO being an undefeated champ.

Eierman is average on his feet and very good on top. He is much better at fokstyle than freestyle. Some recent freestyle losses include Yhanni, Scott Parker and Kolodzik.

Last year during his redshirt year he got hammered by both Gasca and Richards.

I understand people get better. I'm sure he improved a ton this offseason but to say he is a contender over a guy like Brock(who pinned the returning champ) is a joke.

Eirman was the best 133 on Missouri's team last season. He also completely throttled Brock in an all star dual at the 2014 NCAA championships

 

[Omahahawk86]

Eirman was the best 133 on Missouri's team last season. He also completely throttled Brock in an all star dual at the 2014 NCAA championships

so 2 years ago when he wrestled 145 and Kaid was at 26/32? I saw it.

Cortez was the best 133 on his team also. Crown him.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Eirman was the best 133 on Missouri's team last season. He also completely throttled Brock in an all star dual at the 2014 NCAA championships

High school results mean very little to me once guys get to college. Otherwise we could talk about our own Vince Turk beating Jaydin twice while they were seniors in high school. Never said he wasn't good. I'm just not sure what he's shown that puts him in a championship contender tier with proven studs.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

so 2 years ago when he wrestled 145 and Kaid was at 26/32? I saw it.

Cortez was the best 133 on his team also. Crown him.

From my understanding he was wrestling up. Vito can make 126 but is wrestling 138 and Jo Smith wrestled 170 his senior year of HS.
I think Eirman is in a better tier than Cortez tbh

 

[Omahahawk86]

From my understanding he was wrestling up. Vito can make 126 but is wrestling 138 and Jo Smith wrestled 170 his senior year of HS.
I think Eirman is in a better tier than Cortez tbh

Jo Jo also wrestled 160 at post season events after high school(Fargo).

You can say Eirman is better than Cortez all you want but that is based 100% off of opinion. Cortez's best college win is against Conaway. Eirman's is against Alber?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

High school results mean very little to me once guys get to college. Otherwise we could talk about our own Vince Turk beating Jaydin twice while they were seniors in high school. Never said he wasn't good. I'm just not sure what he's shown that puts him in a championship contender tier with proven studs.

i would throw him in as a dark horse and currently in a tier below those top 3. I agree about HS results but he was also able to rack up wins over decent guys such as Kraisser, Alber, Gasca, and Malone

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Jo Jo also wrestled 160 at post season events after high school(Fargo).

You can say Eirman is better than Cortez all you want but that is based 100% off of opinion. Cortez's best college win is against Conaway. Eirman's is against Alber?

Correct I guess we'll just let the season speak for itself

 

[GantryZ]

After the top3 it's a young weight and it's close. I don't think predicting NaTo to go undefeated is all that outlandish.

Pyles releases rankings strictly based on proven results and he gets criticized for not making judgement calls when it's "obvious". He has a second set of rankings based on personal predictions and judgement calls and he gets criticized for not going by the results. The guy absolutely can't win...

 

[24 so far]

Tomasello is a fine wrestler, but him knocking off Clark and Richards on likely multiple occasions without tasting defeat.......................not buying it.

And it would be a stunner that he wouldn't have to wrestle either or both on multiple occasions (at Big Ten's and NCAA's). And that's assuming he doesn't catch a bout of Ryan's "seed sickness" during the Duals (don't know if they wrestle Illinois but, point stands).

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Tomasello is a fine wrestler, but him knocking off Clark and Richards on likely multiple occasions without tasting defeat.......................not buying it.

And it would be a stunner that he wouldn't have to wrestle either or both on multiple occasions (at Big Ten's and NCAA's). And that's assuming he doesn't catch a bout of Ryan's "seed sickness" during the Duals (don't know if they wrestle Illinois but, point stands).

Agreed, don't think he can avoid either during the season if he wants a higher seed at the B1G tournament though

 

[GantryZ]

Did Tomasello and Clark ever have a chance to wrestle at 125 or did their careers not overlap at that weight?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Did Tomasello and Clark ever have a chance to wrestle at 125 or did their careers not overlap at that weight?

Careers didn't overlap

 

[24 so far]

After the top3 it's a young weight and it's close. I don't think predicting NaTo to go undefeated is all that outlandish.

Pyles releases rankings strictly based on proven results and he gets criticized for not making judgement calls when it's "obvious". He has a second set of rankings based on personal predictions and judgement calls and he gets criticized for not going by the results. The guy absolutely can't win...

Nope. He or any other person who wants to do rankings (and MANY other things). But they signed up for the gig, so they put on Big Boy Pants and take the good with the bad. Just like................ well, everyone.

I don't care what you do for a living, it ain't all sunshine and puppies. Especially if that living is of a journalistic nature and you want to be read by the masses. I'm sure CP can handle it. If for some odd reason he can't, grab the classifieds and move on with life.

 

[Jay on HR]

After the top3 it's a young weight and it's close. I don't think predicting NaTo to go undefeated is all that outlandish.

Pyles releases rankings strictly based on proven results and he gets criticized for not making judgement calls when it's "obvious". He has a second set of rankings based on personal predictions and judgement calls and he gets criticized for not going by the results. The guy absolutely can't win...

Are we supposed to feel sorry for a guy who has a job that is focused on being good at finding the perfect balance of results and personal predictions? People are going to be fired up that he said Tomasello is going to go undefeated at a weight that has a 2x finalist, Richards, and a guy that pinned a NCAA champ as a true freshman. In fact CP and Flo are probably enjoying a nice bump in clicks because of it.

Can't win? All this online chatter is money in his pocket.

 

[24 so far]

Agreed, don't think he can avoid either during the season if he wants a higher seed at the B1G tournament though

Yep. That's the kicker. If you want the top seed the likelihood would be that he'd have to beat both, but of course the round-robin scenario seems more likely to me, as I expect all 3 to have losses to each other in some form or fashion (assuming they all meet up at some point, wrestle in Duals, Midlands, etc.).

But it wouldn't be the 1st time the Big Ten seeded an undefeated guy that didn't wrestle other guys in the same bracket who did indeed wrestle each other, perhaps with 1 loss a piece. We'll see what Tom Ryan thinks when the time comes I guess.

 

[Omahahawk86]

After the top3 it's a young weight and it's close. I don't think predicting NaTo to go undefeated is all that outlandish.

Pyles releases rankings strictly based on proven results and he gets criticized for not making judgement calls when it's "obvious". He has a second set of rankings based on personal predictions and judgement calls and he gets criticized for not going by the results. The guy absolutely can't win...

That's why he makes the big bucks. I'm sure 99% of us wrestling fanatics would trade jobs with him in a second.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

That's why he makes the big bucks. I'm sure 99% of us wrestling fanatics would trade jobs with him in a second.

I don't wanna move to Texas but ain't that the truth

 

[JohnBasedow]

No reason to get offended by a prediction. Personally I think Clark takes it this year. I don't think NATO will be able to finish on him but time will tell. We will likely get to see 3 matchups this year between them. I for one am very excited to see 133 play out this year. The weight is loaded.

 

[manmythlegend1]

Clark is going to win 133, its my GUESS that Nato will find 133 a little tougher than he bargained for. I understand he was having issues with making 125 but I think he is going to have length issues at 133 against top competition and unless he is that much stronger than everyone else(maybe he is??) I think it will bite him in a big match at a big moment......my guess is against Clark

related to this, iowa says clark is 5'6" and I read somewhere that Nato is 5'5"...is it my imagination or does clark look more than an inch taller than Nato??

 

[LaxHawk174]

Clark is going to win 133, its my GUESS that Nato will find 133 a little tougher than he bargained for. I understand he was having issues with making 125 but I think he is going to have length issues at 133 against top competition and unless he is that much stronger than everyone else(maybe he is??) I think it will bite him in a big match at a big moment......my guess is against Clark

related to this, iowa says clark is 5'6" and I read somewhere that Nato is 5'5"...is it my imagination or does clark look more than an inch taller than Nato??

I believe NATO is more along the lines of 5'2".

 

[pumpdog20]

My concern with Clark and NATO is that Clark seems to let guys get to his leg in order to create scramble situations. When NATO gets to legs, he rarely's not finishing.

 

[manmythlegend1]

My concern with Clark and NATO is that Clark seems to let guys get to his leg in order to create scramble situations. When NATO gets to legs, he rarely's not finishing.

valid concern, I am sure Brands will work out a game plan with Clark that will take that into consideration. Its gonna be fun to watch, that's for sure....and LaxHawk, 5'2" sounds prob close

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Tomasello is a fine wrestler, but him knocking off Clark and Richards on likely multiple occasions without tasting defeat.......................not buying it.

And it would be a stunner that he wouldn't have to wrestle either or both on multiple occasions (at Big Ten's and NCAA's). And that's assuming he doesn't catch a bout of Ryan's "seed sickness" during the Duals (don't know if they wrestle Illinois but, point stands).

Will be very interesting to see if Nathan comes down with a little flu bug the week of the tOSU @ Iowa meet. . . . Hoping he stays healthy! Looking very much forward to that match in the friendly confines of Carver.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Are we supposed to feel sorry for a guy who has a job that is focused on being good at finding the perfect balance of results and personal predictions? People are going to be fired up that he said Tomasello is going to go undefeated at a weight that has a 2x finalist, Richards, and a guy that pinned a NCAA champ as a true freshman. In fact CP and Flo are probably enjoying a nice bump in clicks because of it.

Can't win? All this online chatter is money in his pocket.

Was going to say the same thing. More appropriately put, he can't lose.

 

[Stanley75]

Richards is 5 feet 13 inches, faster than a speedy bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and no one is even close to his cosmos status. Why is he not ranked #1 you might ask?

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Richards is 5 feet 13 inches, faster than a speedy bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and no one is even close to his cosmos status. Why is he not ranked #1 you might ask?

Because #1 isn't in Richards league. I don't think #2 will be in his league again this year either.