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Florida bill proposes removal of Algebra, English exam requirements for graduation

A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida.
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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida by eliminating the necessity for students to pass Algebra and English exams to earn their diplomas.

Currently, Florida high school students must pass the statewide, standardized grade 10 English Language Arts (ELA) assessment or achieve a concordant score, as well as pass the statewide, standardized Algebra I end-of-course (EOC) assessment or earn a comparative score. These assessments are intended to ensure students have mastered essential skills in English and mathematics before graduating.
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Morrison71 said:

Florida bill proposes removal of Algebra, English exam requirements for graduation

A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida.
cbs12.com

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida by eliminating the necessity for students to pass Algebra and English exams to earn their diplomas.

Currently, Florida high school students must pass the statewide, standardized grade 10 English Language Arts (ELA) assessment or achieve a concordant score, as well as pass the statewide, standardized Algebra I end-of-course (EOC) assessment or earn a comparative score. These assessments are intended to ensure students have mastered essential skills in English and mathematics before graduating.
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BAU for ass backwards FloriDuh
 
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SB 166 — filed on February 19 — proposes to remove these requirements, allowing students to earn their diplomas based on their coursework and overall academic performance, without needing specific standardized test scores.

I’m old enough to remember when math and tests were labeled racist (just like pretty much anything else they don’t like) by the left. You guys really are never happy.
 
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Morrison71 said:

Florida bill proposes removal of Algebra, English exam requirements for graduation

A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida.
cbs12.com

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida by eliminating the necessity for students to pass Algebra and English exams to earn their diplomas.

Currently, Florida high school students must pass the statewide, standardized grade 10 English Language Arts (ELA) assessment or achieve a concordant score, as well as pass the statewide, standardized Algebra I end-of-course (EOC) assessment or earn a comparative score. These assessments are intended to ensure students have mastered essential skills in English and mathematics before graduating.
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In all fairness to Florida this has been a growing trend, only a few states still require this.

Graduation Test Update: States That Recently Eliminated or Scaled Back High School Exit Exams (Updated NOVEMBER 2023) - Fairtest

Graduation Test Update: States That Recently Eliminated or Scaled Back High School Exit Exams (Updated November 2023) The number of states requiring high school graduation exams in language arts and math has declined rapidly over the past few years. Only nine states have graduation tests in...
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WSC72 said:
In all fairness to Florida this has been a growing trend, only a few states still require this.

Graduation Test Update: States That Recently Eliminated or Scaled Back High School Exit Exams (Updated NOVEMBER 2023) - Fairtest

Graduation Test Update: States That Recently Eliminated or Scaled Back High School Exit Exams (Updated November 2023) The number of states requiring high school graduation exams in language arts and math has declined rapidly over the past few years. Only nine states have graduation tests in...
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An advisory panel in New York recommended making the state’s century-old Regents exams optional instead of a graduation requirement

So will we see a thread about New York coming too? I doubt it.
 
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KFsdisciple said:
SB 166 — filed on February 19 — proposes to remove these requirements, allowing students to earn their diplomas based on their coursework and overall academic performance, without needing specific standardized test scores.

I’m old enough to remember when math and tests were labeled racist (just like pretty much anything else they don’t like) by the left. You guys really are never happy.
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Yeah this is reasonable. Imagine reading beyond the headline!!
 
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WSC72 said:
What do they do for their 3rd year of math?
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1st year - Algebra 1
2nd year - standard Geometry
3rd year - Algebra 2

This is a larger suburban high school. I have 3 kids - attorney *U of Iowa grad", 2 engineers from a top engineering school one who graduated very high. 3 kids that struggled with math. It was hell. Never so happy with a D- in my life for final grad senior year. I lobbied our local CC to put in remedial math as many students can graduate CC, but struggle with algebra. 2 of the strugglers were adopted older kids with trauma and FAE. The other has severe dyslexia like her dad.
 
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WSC72 said:
In all fairness to Florida this has been a growing trend, only a few states still require this.

Graduation Test Update: States That Recently Eliminated or Scaled Back High School Exit Exams (Updated NOVEMBER 2023) - Fairtest

Graduation Test Update: States That Recently Eliminated or Scaled Back High School Exit Exams (Updated November 2023) The number of states requiring high school graduation exams in language arts and math has declined rapidly over the past few years. Only nine states have graduation tests in...
fairtest.org
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Yeah, this seems unnecessary.
 
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ft254 said:
Not my reply but look at the title of thread.
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Yes, I understand the topic at hand... to this point it's been pretty universally dismissed except for one guy who pretty much wants to nag on Florida when we aren't the first, infact 4 out of 5 states are already doing this?
 
TC Nole OX said:
BAU for ass backwards FloriDuh
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Did you actually read it?

It got through both committees unanimously fwiw.

SB 166 has successfully passed through the following committees:

  • Education Pre-K - 12 Committee: On March 3, the committee voted 7 Yeas - 0 Nays.
  • Appropriations Committee on Pre-K - 12 Education: On March 11, the committee voted 9 Yeas - 0 Nays.
 
TC Nole OX said:
Let's do some simple math. How many Floridians post here? How many New Yorkers?
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There are posts on here all the time about things going on all over the country.
Should there be guidelines establishing residency ratios before posts are published? I mean, entire threads about California could be deleted.

How funny that a Florida person gets to raise that issue on an Iowa board.
 
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Did you actually read it?

It got through both committees unanimously fwiw.

SB 166 has successfully passed through the following committees:

  • Education Pre-K - 12 Committee: On March 3, the committee voted 7 Yeas - 0 Nays.
  • Appropriations Committee on Pre-K - 12 Education: On March 11, the committee voted 9 Yeas - 0 Nays.
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I'm not in a cult. The democrats who supported this were wrong for doing so. If you can't pass a pre-grade 12 exam, for both math and English, you shouldn't receive a hs diploma.
 
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Did you actually read it?

It got through both committees unanimously fwiw.

SB 166 has successfully passed through the following committees:

  • Education Pre-K - 12 Committee: On March 3, the committee voted 7 Yeas - 0 Nays.
  • Appropriations Committee on Pre-K - 12 Education: On March 11, the committee voted 9 Yeas - 0 Nays.
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He doesn’t read stuff.
He’s an agoraphobic insomniac who lives on the internet posting leftist material.
 
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I'm not in a cult. The democrats who supported this were wrong for doing so. If you can't pass a pre-grade 12 exam, for both math and English, you shouldn't receive a hs diploma.
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Yay! You get points!
Now dive deeper and tell us why those Democrats even proposed it in the first place!
BTW the latest numbers show Republicans outnumbering Democrats by 1.9 million voters here in Florida. 😉
 
IIowaFarmBoy said:
1st year - Algebra 1
2nd year - standard Geometry
3rd year - Algebra 2

This is a larger suburban high school. I have 3 kids - attorney *U of Iowa grad", 2 engineers from a top engineering school one who graduated very high. 3 kids that struggled with math. It was hell. Never so happy with a D- in my life for final grad senior year. I lobbied our local CC to put in remedial math as many students can graduate CC, but struggle with algebra. 2 of the strugglers were adopted older kids with trauma and FAE. The other has severe dyslexia like her dad.
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Catholic school kid here who struggled mightily with pre-cal my senior year. Cried a lot.
Aced English and Social Studies and did very well in Science.
And I can promise you I have NEVER used pre-cal in my life. 🤮
 
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If you look at the history of 'high stakes testing' there have been a number of states who have changed the test if the student population is testing poorly. I don't think it is a valuable piece of the puzzle myself, but there are certainly those who think it is quite important.
 
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Catholic school kid here who struggled mightily with pre-cal my senior year. Cried a lot.
Aced English and Social Studies and did very well in Science.
And I can promise you I have NEVER used pre-cal in my life. 🤮
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Is silly how we eliminate college potential grads over less than practical math.
 
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Yes, I understand the topic at hand... to this point it's been pretty universally dismissed except for one guy who pretty much wants to nag on Florida when we aren't the first, infact 4 out of 5 states are already doing this?
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Who would rag on the Sunshine State?

Bastards
 
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Is silly how we eliminate college potential grads over less than practical math.
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Whether it’s practical for everyone is debatable for every subject. It’s the ability to learn something difficult and wrap your head around a complex topic that’s important. If you can’t learn to do anything hard, then maybe you don’t have college potential.
 
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Drake__Mallard said:
Whether it’s practical for everyone is debatable for every subject. It’s the ability to learn something difficult and wrap your head around a complex topic that’s important. If you can’t learn to do anything hard, then maybe you don’t have college potential.
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There are so many people smarter and better than a number of college graduates. The old system was designed for a manufacturing based economy. We have so many teacher shortages. What does an early elementary teacher or special ed teacher need to know algebra? They don't. They need to have the kind of intelligence that can teach kids the basics.

There are different types of intelligence. Algebra has so little to do with most things in life that require college degrees. Algebra doesn't really help in accounting as another example.

What you are really grading is how mature someone is at a certain grade level anyway. If you don't have a good teacher in elementary education, you get behind and stay behind. Maybe you heard we have teacher and other skills shortages.

Case in point, my adopted daughter (at 10) scored a 16 with a lot of help on ACT and was terrible at algebra. She got by barely in the stats class and a strong support algebra class in CC. She graduated magna cum laude from a good 4 year college after transferring from CC. She's getting all A's in grad school. She has a good shot at making 6 figures a few years post graduation. How we do school is what needs to be refigured. Maybe we are weeding out some of the wrong people and keeping some that shouldn't including most administrators I've ever met. Being in higher ed myself (I work 2 jobs), I knew how to navigate the system, most parents and students don't. If she wasn't my daughter I'd hire her in a heartbeat over many of the one's you think were deserving. Her work ethic and people skills are fantastic. With other parents, she'd have never moved on and would have been minimum wage her whole life. She still stinks at Algebra.
 
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Morrison71 said:

Florida bill proposes removal of Algebra, English exam requirements for graduation

A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida.
cbs12.com

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — A new legislative proposal is set to overhaul public high school graduation requirements in Florida by eliminating the necessity for students to pass Algebra and English exams to earn their diplomas.

Currently, Florida high school students must pass the statewide, standardized grade 10 English Language Arts (ELA) assessment or achieve a concordant score, as well as pass the statewide, standardized Algebra I end-of-course (EOC) assessment or earn a comparative score. These assessments are intended to ensure students have mastered essential skills in English and mathematics before graduating.
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My gawd they are so stupid in Florida. Algebra is historically the basics of solving problems as in how far do I go if I am going 60 mph for 4 hours. I mean the friggin state education leaders dont think they should test students to know if they can do story problems or figure which size of food containers give you the best price per unit based on using ratios.

These states are totally effed.
 
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IIowaFarmBoy said:
There are so many people smarter and better than a number of college graduates. The old system was designed for a manufacturing based economy. We have so many teacher shortages. What does an early elementary teacher or special ed teacher need to know algebra? They don't. They need to have the kind of intelligence that can teach kids the basics.

There are different types of intelligence. Algebra has so little to do with most things in life that require college degrees. Algebra doesn't really help in accounting as another example.

What you are really grading is how mature someone is at a certain grade level anyway. If you don't have a good teacher in elementary education, you get behind and stay behind. Maybe you heard we have teacher and other skills shortages.

Case in point, my adopted daughter (at 10) scored a 16 with a lot of help on ACT and was terrible at algebra. She got by barely in the stats class and a strong support algebra class in CC. She graduated magna cum laude from a good 4 year college after transferring from CC. She's getting all A's in grad school. She has a good shot at making 6 figures a few years post graduation. How we do school is what needs to be refigured. Maybe we are weeding out some of the wrong people and keeping some that shouldn't including most administrators I've ever met. Being in higher ed myself (I work 2 jobs), I knew how to navigate the system, most parents and students don't. If she wasn't my daughter I'd hire her in a heartbeat over many of the one's you think were deserving. Her work ethic and people skills are fantastic. With other parents, she'd have never moved on and would have been minimum wage her whole life. She still stinks at Algebra.
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Reading the classics or taking government or taking Spanish often times has no direct application on many jobs, but learning how to learn a variety of different things is important…. Cutting out programs that are inconveniently difficult for some seems like a poor strategy… maybe it’s better to figure out ways to help people do well in math instead of just cutting it because it’s too hard.

Great story about your daughter. Sounds like things turned out fine for her, but I don’t think cutting high school level math is a good idea because your daughter struggled. It probably helped her in the long run.
 
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Drake__Mallard said:
Reading the classics or taking government or taking Spanish often times has no direct application on many jobs, but learning how to learn a variety of different things is important…. Cutting out programs that are inconveniently difficult for some seems like a poor strategy… maybe it’s better to figure out ways to help people do well in math instead of just cutting it because it’s too hard.

Great story about your daughter. Sounds like things turned out fine for her, but I don’t think cutting high school level math is a good idea because your daughter struggled. It probably helped her in the long run.
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Our model is awful. If you are great at algebra good for you. Design programs that are right for the career. Algebra has little impact in life for most.

Again maybe you noticed a shortage of people in certain careers that hinders our economy

You must suck at economics and sociology. Maybe common sense
 
IIowaFarmBoy said:
Our model is awful. If you are great at algebra good for you. Design programs that are right for the career. Algebra has little impact in life for most.

Again maybe you noticed a shortage of people in certain careers that hinders our economy

You must suck at economics and sociology. Maybe common sense
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I think we use basic algebra so often we don’t even realize we’re using it. Anyone who has ever calculated and left a tip has used algebra in their everyday life… I don’t know anyone who’s never had to solve for X.
 
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I think we use basic algebra so often we don’t even realize we’re using it. Anyone who has ever calculated and left a tip has used algebra in their everyday life… I don’t know anyone who’s never had to solve for X.
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You ignore the premise. Labor shortage. X an Y isn’t that practical in real life. Ask any cc and the number one reason for dropping out is algebra. Many are trying to fix that. It’s about brain development age. I taught Vic ag and got a lot of those students who are quite capable and even more so than many college grads but are held back by x and y unnecessary.
 
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