Florida legislature allows Ron DeSantis to draw congressional districting maps

[Morrison71]

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article260313745.html

Florida's Republican legislative leaders announced on Monday that they are not crafting a new congressional map but will rather defer to Gov. Ron DeSantis to draft new maps that will be to his liking.

The unusual move comes a week before state lawmakers are scheduled to head back to Tallahassee to address the state's redistricting maps after DeSantis vetoed a congressional map approved by the GOP-dominated Legislature last month.

Historically, the Legislature had led the redistricting process. The change to the status quo shows just how much influence and power DeSantis wields over legislators and the once-in-a-decade process of redrawing lines for congressional districts.

 

[Morrison71]

I am sure it will be fair and reasonable….

 

[THE_DEVIL]

We need to figure out a way to make governors personally responsible for legal fees in court cases they lose when it is their signature on the paper work.

 

[Morrison71]

The entire point of this is to get two black congresswomen out and in more Republican favorable districts.

 

[NCHawk5]

 

[Morrison71]

We need to figure out a way to make governors personally responsible for legal fees in court cases they lose when it is their signature on the paper work.

Republicans have learned their is no consequences for cheating, they don’t care anymore or even try to hide it.

 

[gonegolfing]

I don't think any 1 person, especially a government official, should be making the lines for election territory.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[sober_teacher]

I don't think any 1 person, especially a government official, should be making the lines for election territory.

For once we agree completely. The inevitable court challenge will be fascinating. Even the SC might balk a little at letting one person draw district lines.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Not a cult.

 

[seminole97]

I am sure it will be fair and reasonable….

They have to be gerrymandered to make 'minority-majority' districts.
If you go by something like geographic compactness an algorithm will give you an even worse outcome for Democrats:

link

 

[SIXERS24]

Both parties do it


Maryland is considered to be one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Gerrymandering in Maryland has long been done as a way to disproportionately favor the Democratic Party in congressional elections.

 

[SIXERS24]

California Gerrymanders by Race

Column: Gerrymandering still exists in California. But reforms did away with the old, ugly system

The old gerrymandering had a very bad stench and is still practiced in many states including Texas, columnist George Skelton writes.

www.latimes.com

 

[sober_teacher]

Both parties do it


Maryland is considered to be one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Gerrymandering in Maryland has long been done as a way to disproportionately favor the Democratic Party in congressional elections.

Seen any posts defending gerrymandering? It’s not the least of the reason DC is as polarized as it is.

This is the first time I’ve seen a state legislature abdicate it’s responsibility to the governor tho.

 

[TheCainer]

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Looks like it's time to elect a whole new legislature if they aren't going to do their jobs.

What a sorry lot they are.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Looks like it's time to elect a whole new legislature if they aren't going to do their jobs.

What a sorry lot they are.

Very Republican

 

[seminole97]

Seen any posts defending gerrymandering? It’s not the least of the reason DC is as polarized as it is.

This is the first time I’ve seen a state legislature abdicate it’s responsibility to the governor tho.

They passed a map, he vetoed it, so they said, 'ok, show us something we can negotiate'.
They may rubber stamp, party line vote his proposal, but they still have to vote on it and face voters.

 

[dosjotas1]

They passed a map, he vetoed it, so they said, 'ok, show us something we can negotiate'.
They may rubber stamp, party line vote his proposal, but they still have to vote on it and face voters.

Jesus, he vetoed that? Putin himself would blush. He only poisons the opposition.

 

[seminole97]

Jesus, he vetoed that? Putin himself would blush. He only poisons the opposition.

No, that isn’t what he vetoed.
That’s a map drawn by algorithm to try and creat the most geographically compact (ergo, no partisan considerations).
The map DeSantis vetoed retains a 5th district that follows the Georgia border from Tallahassee to Jacksonville, snaking into each city to incorporate predominantly black neighborhoods and thereby create a minority-majority district.
In Leon county blacks compose roughly 1/3rd of the electorate. Previous map was gerrymandered to bridge the black populations in Leon and Duval counties together.

 

[dosjotas1]

No, that isn’t what he vetoed.
That’s a map drawn by algorithm to try and creat the most geographically compact (ergo, no partisan considerations).
The map DeSantis vetoed retains a 5th district that follows the Georgia border from Tallahassee to Jacksonville, snaking into each city to incorporate predominantly black neighborhoods and thereby create a minority-majority district.
In Leon county blacks compose roughly 1/3rd of the electorate. Previous map was gerrymandered to bridge the black populations in Leon and Duval counties together.

Sorry, it was just a dumb joke. But, it is weird how all states have to contort districts, just to make it “fair”

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I don't think any 1 person, especially a government official, should be making the lines for election territory.

hallelujah! gonefolfing has posted something to which I agree! hallelujah!

 

[Fijimn]

They passed a map, he vetoed it, so they said, 'ok, show us something we can negotiate'.
They may rubber stamp, party line vote his proposal, but they still have to vote on it and face voters.

77 GOP seats vs 44 Democratic seats in House. Ina state with about an equal amount of GOP v Democratic voters. And presumably after redrawing that will increase 80-81 GOP seats. Amazing.

 

[seminole97]

77 GOP seats vs 44 Democratic seats in House. Ina state with about an equal amount of GOP v Democratic voters. And presumably after redrawing that will increase 80-81 GOP seats. Amazing.

It'd be neat if 538 would make the same kind of redistricting maps for the legislatures.
The non-random geographic distribution of voters makes it tricky to balance, unless you want to create rural districts that slice into cities like pie.

But to create districts where you can assure a black majority when they compose 30-32 percent of Duval and Leon county respectively, you are going to have to gerrymander.

 

[sober_teacher]

It'd be neat if 538 would make the same kind of redistricting maps for the legislatures.
The non-random geographic distribution of voters makes it tricky to balance, unless you want to create rural districts that slice into cities like pie.

But to create districts where you can assure a black majority when they compose 30-32 percent of Duval and Leon county respectively, you are going to have to gerrymander.

It’s certainly a tough job and to a certain extent some sort of gerrymander is inevitable. What has changed in the past decade or so was the introduction of analytics into this where both parties did their absolute best to enshrine permanent majorities and make as few seats as possible truly “competitive”.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

There should be a new rule for all states.

"All districts will now be drawn by Michael J Fox after two cups of espresso from here going forward."

 

[Fijimn]

It'd be neat if 538 would make the same kind of redistricting maps for the legislatures.
The non-random geographic distribution of voters makes it tricky to balance, unless you want to create rural districts that slice into cities like pie.

But to create districts where you can assure a black majority when they compose 30-32 percent of Duval and Leon county respectively, you are going to have to gerrymander.

It would still undercount dense urban areas. The maps intentionally weigh geographic area rather than population density

 

[DavidGraeberBullSheetJobs]

77 GOP seats vs 44 Democratic seats in House. Ina state with about an equal amount of GOP v Democratic voters. And presumably after redrawing that will increase 80-81 GOP seats. Amazing.

Exactly. Doing the typical Trump or Tucker “what about-ism“ BS is just ignoring the issue that the majority of Americans are left of center, which is why a republican has not won the popular vote for the presidency since 1988. And which is why Republicans have been suppressing voters, gerrymandering, corrupting secretary of states offices, etc. etc., as well as trying to stage a coup d’état last year, to compensate for it.

The republican party has been a minority rule party for two generations already. And in order to keep their power, they are willing to break democracy itself. Those corporate funded elites are metastatic cancer for our country.

 

[globalhawk]

Exactly. Doing the typical Trump or Tucker “what about-ism“ BS is just ignoring the issue that the majority of Americans are left of center, which is why a republican has not won the popular vote for the presidency since 1988. And which is why Republicans have been suppressing voters, gerrymandering, corrupting secretary of states offices, etc. etc., as well as trying to stage a coup d’état last year, to compensate for it.

The republican party has been a minority rule party for two generations already. And in order to keep their power, they are willing to break democracy itself. Those corporate funded elites are metastatic cancer for our country.

The Democrats are the majority but the Republicans have a better voter turnout typically. You can't blame a party for voting.

 

[sober_teacher]

Exactly. Doing the typical Trump or Tucker “what about-ism“ BS is just ignoring the issue that the majority of Americans are left of center, which is why a republican has not won the popular vote for the presidency since 1988. And which is why Republicans have been suppressing voters, gerrymandering, corrupting secretary of states offices, etc. etc., as well as trying to stage a coup d’état last year, to compensate for it.

The republican party has been a minority rule party for two generations already. And in order to keep their power, they are willing to break democracy itself. Those corporate funded elites are metastatic cancer for our country.

Just to be clear, they did win the popular vote in 2004. I honestly do believe there’s a solid core of conservative republicans who get that sense that they’re sliding into the minority as the country changes and they fear becoming a permanent minority so that’s why Mitch rigged the SC, which will have a conservative majority for decades now.

whats ironic is that this doesn’t have to be the case. The country has moved left, but it’s hardly a liberal hotbed of communists either. There are honestly a lot of economic topics that they could win me over on potentially but have focused instead on social/cultural issues that on many the Majority of Americans no longer agree with them on.

 

[seminole97]

Exactly. Doing the typical Trump or Tucker “what about-ism“ BS is just ignoring the issue that the majority of Americans are left of center, which is why a republican has not won the popular vote for the presidency since 1988.

You have to be careful laying national averages over individual states.
Trump actually won the popular vote among 49 states in total, and lost by an overwhelming margin in CA to lose the national total.
The national vote total doesn't really tell you much about a particular state.

 

[sober_teacher]

You have to be careful laying national averages over individual states.
Trump actually won the popular vote among 49 states in total, and lost by an overwhelming margin in CA to lose the national total.
The national vote total doesn't really tell you much about a particular state.

That’s part of the population imbalance tho, and will become a political nightmare for republicans is Texas ever truly turned purple/blue. winning just 3 states would put Dems more than a third of the way to the presidency. And that would be bad for the country considering there’s no indication the republicans are making statewide inroads into either California or NY.

 

[globalhawk]

You have to be careful laying national averages over individual states.
Trump actually won the popular vote among 49 states in total, and lost by an overwhelming margin in CA to lose the national total.
The national vote total doesn't really tell you much about a particular state.

I am confused. Are you saying Trump won the popular vote in 49 states?

 

[Fijimn]

You have to be careful laying national averages over individual states.
Trump actually won the popular vote among 49 states in total, and lost by an overwhelming margin in CA to lose the national total.
The national vote total doesn't really tell you much about a particular state.

I don’t understand your second sentence or maybe the phrasing. By memory Trump lost the popular vote by 1 million

 

[sober_teacher]

I don’t understand your second sentence or maybe the phrasing. By memory Trump lost the popular vote by 1 million

Closer to 3 in 2016, and by more than 7 in 2020.

 

[Fijimn]

Closer to 3 in 2016, and by more than 7 in 2020.

In Illinois the spread was a million. Don’t know why Illinois was deleted. Even if you subtracted the 5 million more votes for Biden, you are left with +2 million across the 49 other states.

 

[seminole97]

I am confused. Are you saying Trump won the popular vote in 49 states?

In 2016.

50 state total:
62,984,828 - Trump
65,853,514 - Clinton

CA total:
4,483,810 - Trump
8,753,788 - Clinton

49 states without CA total:
58,501,018 - Trump
57,099,726 - Clinton

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[globalhawk]

In 2016.

50 state total:
62,984,828 - Trump
65,853,514 - Clinton

CA total:
4,483,810 - Trump
8,753,788 - Clinton

49 states without CA total:
58,501,018 - Trump
57,099,726 - Clinton

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ok. You are combining the other 49 states and not taking them individually. I understand.

 

[Fijimn]

In 2016.

50 state total:
62,984,828 - Trump
65,853,514 - Clinton

CA total:
4,483,810 - Trump
8,753,788 - Clinton

49 states without CA total:
58,501,018 - Trump
57,099,726 - Clinton

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In 2016.

50 state total:
62,984,828 - Trump
65,853,514 - Clinton

CA total:
4,483,810 - Trump
8,753,788 - Clinton

49 states without CA total:
58,501,018 - Trump
57,099,726 - Clinton

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ok, I was referencing 2020. But it’s still a meaningless comparison.

 

[Tom Paris]

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