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For those always posting COVID fear porn...

Did you not see Maher's clip?

Is he making a false equivalence of outdoor, masked protests, with indoor, unmasked political rallies?

FYI: Europe has learned that mass transit is NOT a major source of transmission, when people mask and distance.
 
We obviously have a obesity problem in this country, but on a macro level, it’s a lot more complex than personal responsibility. Also, Maher’s “scared thin” solution would have mattered more pre-COVID. The amount of excess weight that doubles the risk of COVID-19 complications would take, without drastic measures (think liquid diet), six months to a year for someone to lose safely. Take someone that is 6 foot with a BMI of 40 (morbidly obese) they would need to lose almost 110 pounds to fall into a normal weight range. That assumes they have an idea of how to even do it and suffer minimal setbacks. There is also a lull between weight loss and the positive physiological health improvements. Doesn’t mean people can’t start now but scare tactics rarely effect lasting change.

I’m not sure fat shaming would help much of anything, resources and education/knowledge will, however. It’s not like obese people do not know they are fat or that it’s unhealthy. Obesity is a lot like poverty—from the outside, it seems controllable. Would poor shaming result in more people pulling up their boot straps? Merely, telling someone to exercise more and eat less is as simplistic as telling a poor person to spend less and work more. I doubt poor shaming would solve poverty. If we are going to penalize overweight populations for using the medical system for being overweight we should probably do it for other unhealthy lifestyles: alcohol, workaholics, desk jobs, drugs, etc.

The obesity epidemic is a combination of: lack of financial resources to purchase healthy food; social structure built around food consumption; sedentary jobs; culture that prides itself in being overworked—no work/life balance; constant fast food marketing with ballooning portion sizes; abundance of cheap food with poor nutritional value; processed food in schools and little to no focus on physical fitness; inability to cook or understand how to exercise correctly and effectively—nutritional and fitness illiteracy; proliferation of turn-key gyms without child care; lack of preventative medicine, etc.
 
His main point is about obesity and how that isn't being addressed.

Sooo.....there are LOTS of folks w/ no co-morbidities (no obesity) who are dying from this, or are incurring permanent physical damage from it. The ~40-yr old broadway actor died from it after having a leg amputated and being sick from it for months.

Yes, it may be "rare", but it's a much much higher rate of illness than any flu we've ever encountered.
 
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Iowans put it on cereal.
That must be skewed by western Iowans. Growing up in eastern Iowa I typically only saw people use ranch for dipping of veggies or on a salad. I never even heard of anyone putting it on pizza until years after college when some people from Oklahoma i was with did it. Okies put that crap on everything.
 
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Sooo.....there are LOTS of folks w/ no co-morbidities (no obesity) who are dying from this, or are incurring permanent physical damage from it. The ~40-yr old broadway actor died from it after having a leg amputated and being sick from it for months.

Yes, it may be "rare", but it's a much much higher rate of illness than any flu we've ever encountered.

Right. No one is saying you have to be obese to succumb to COVID. The greater point is there is a strong correlation between obesity and those who struggle the most to recover and that is pertinent health information that should be given to the public instead of shied away from for fear of offending those who need to hear it.
 
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Sooo.....there are LOTS of folks w/ no co-morbidities (no obesity) who are dying from this, or are incurring permanent physical damage from it. The ~40-yr old broadway actor died from it after having a leg amputated and being sick from it for months.

Yes, it may be "rare", but it's a much much higher rate of illness than any flu we've ever encountered.
The one thing everyone has control over is their eating, lifestyle habits. If getting in shape and losing weight helps you survive COVID it should have been a priority/public health theme from day one.


Wasn’t done because we’re a country of obese folks and we can’t fat shame them....
 
We obviously have a obesity problem in this country, but on a macro level, it’s a lot more complex than personal responsibility. Also, Maher’s “scared thin” solution would have mattered more pre-COVID. The amount of excess weight that doubles the risk of COVID-19 complications would take, without drastic measures (think liquid diet), six months to a year for someone to lose safely. Take someone that is 6 foot with a BMI of 40 (morbidly obese) they would need to lose almost 110 pounds to fall into a normal weight range. That assumes they have an idea of how to even do it and suffer minimal setbacks. There is also a lull between weight loss and the positive physiological health improvements. Doesn’t mean people can’t start now but scare tactics rarely effect lasting change.

I’m not sure fat shaming would help much of anything, resources and education/knowledge will, however. It’s not like obese people do not know they are fat or that it’s unhealthy. Obesity is a lot like poverty—from the outside, it seems controllable. Would poor shaming result in more people pulling up their boot straps? Merely, telling someone to exercise more and eat less is as simplistic as telling a poor person to spend less and work more. I doubt poor shaming would solve poverty. If we are going to penalize overweight populations for using the medical system for being overweight we should probably do it for other unhealthy lifestyles: alcohol, workaholics, desk jobs, drugs, etc.

The obesity epidemic is a combination of: lack of financial resources to purchase healthy food; social structure built around food consumption; sedentary jobs; culture that prides itself in being overworked—no work/life balance; constant fast food marketing with ballooning portion sizes; abundance of cheap food with poor nutritional value; processed food in schools and little to no focus on physical fitness; inability to cook or understand how to exercise correctly and effectively—nutritional and fitness illiteracy; proliferation of turn-key gyms without child care; lack of preventative medicine, etc.

All great points.
 
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The one thing everyone has control over is their eating, lifestyle habits. If getting in shape and losing weight helps you survive COVID it should have been a priority/public health theme from day one.


Wasn’t done because we’re a country of obese folks and we can’t fat shame them....

Nick Cordero had zero underlying conditions. They amputated one of his legs trying to save his life, but he died, anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/health/coronavirus-nick-cordero-underlying-conditions.html
 
You obviously don't live in NJ.

We’re going to NJ next week, and my son contacted a local gym to see if he could get his workouts in, and they have said no problem. Even though we’ve been following the ongoing saga of a gym owner who has been arrested for staying open.

I’m curious to see what actually happens.
 
I’ve been making the same point all along. Kudos to him for saying it. If you’re fat and don’t like being told you are fat, do something about it. And don’t give me the ‘it’s my genetics crap’. Sure that can be a factor but the biggest genetic factor at play is likely the fact your parents ate like crap and didn’t exercise also. Heck I saw a 400+ lb lady the other day in Home Depot with a kid tagging along about age 3 that was already fat. Don’t give me a genetics story there. Sorry. That what happens when you stuff your face with moon pies, your kid does too.

It's a mixed bag of environment vs genetics. I've got 3 kids. Two are lean and tall. My other one is medium height and built like a future fullback. We sit down and have family meals together about 85% of time eating the same food. Have rules about eating vegetables before dessert. No soda and chips except weekends. We have a cook prepare fresh meals so no frozen, limited take out, etc. Can't really explain how one weighs more than the other.
 
It's a mixed bag of environment vs genetics. I've got 3 kids. Two are lean and tall. My other one is medium height and built like a future fullback. We sit down and have family meals together about 85% of time eating the same food. Have rules about eating vegetables before dessert. No soda and chips except weekends. We have a cook prepare fresh meals so no frozen, limited take out, etc. Can't really explain how one weighs more than the other.

Get that young man a furniture moving job. Future Hawk material.
 
Get that young man a furniture moving job. Future Hawk material.

Lol, Max would be like Leroy Hoard for the Vikings, "Coach, if you need one yard, I'll get you three yards. If you need five yards, I'll get you three yards."
 
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It's a mixed bag of environment vs genetics. I've got 3 kids. Two are lean and tall. My other one is medium height and built like a future fullback. We sit down and have family meals together about 85% of time eating the same food. Have rules about eating vegetables before dessert. No soda and chips except weekends. We have a cook prepare fresh meals so no frozen, limited take out, etc. Can't really explain how one weighs more than the other.
Yeah I agree with that regarding your family. Genetics is certainly part of it.

Not really sure how much a part of it it is if you are 5’6” and weigh 400 lbs though. That’s all on you. Unless you have some wildly untreated long standing hypothyroidism but if they have a doctor you can damn well be sure that’s been tested.

I have kids as well. All different bodies. None with a BMI over 25 though. Same food etc same story.
 
It's a mixed bag of environment vs genetics. I've got 3 kids. Two are lean and tall. My other one is medium height and built like a future fullback. We sit down and have family meals together about 85% of time eating the same food. Have rules about eating vegetables before dessert. No soda and chips except weekends. We have a cook prepare fresh meals so no frozen, limited take out, etc. Can't really explain how one weighs more than the other.
Oh missed the subtle brag. Nice.
 
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Yeah I agree with that regarding your family. Genetics is certainly part of it.

Not really sure how much a part of it it is if you are 5’6” and weigh 400 lbs though. That’s all on you. Unless you have some wildly untreated long standing hypothyroidism but if they have a doctor you can damn well be sure that’s been tested.

I have kids as well. All different bodies. None with a BMI over 25 though. Same food etc same story.

His genetics may not be mine...who knows??
 
One thing that struck with me is this pc idea of body image and being happy with what you are junk. We have a ton of fat people in this country and it certainly leads to problems. Yes, there are a million factors why people are fat but many we can control. Most of it still comes down to eat non crappy food and don't be allergic to exercise.

It was the covid that motivated me. I am down 35 lbs since April...

Congrats and keep up the good work! What are you doing differently?
 
The one thing everyone has control over is their eating, lifestyle habits. If getting in shape and losing weight helps you survive COVID it should have been a priority/public health theme from day one.


Wasn’t done because we’re a country of obese folks and we can’t fat shame them....
Tell all those fatass MAGA clowns who won’t wear masks that.
 
One thing that struck with me is this pc idea of body image and being happy with what you are junk. We have a ton of fat people in this country and it certainly leads to problems. Yes, there are a million factors why people are fat but many we can control. Most of it still comes down to eat non crappy food and don't be allergic to exercise.



Congrats and keep up the good work! What are you doing differently?
Counting calories and treadmill...eating cleaner unprocessed food.
 
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I agree with Maher about 19% of the time. Not usually but every now and then. I will agree that he makes all good points here in this argument.
 
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