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For those that think Petras is the problem

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I want to show some of the things that are going on with this offensive line and how that is impacting Petras.

Here in this first image we can see that the right tackle is beaten badly. I am not doing this to call anyone out by name, be mean or embarass anyone, but look at his body position. He has no balance, his feet are nearly crossed up and ready to trip over himself and he is reaching badly, all resulting in him having zero leverage and out of position. Now count the players. There are 6 blockers and only 3 rushers. That means after taking out the quarterback, there are 4 receivers (not counting 15 who is not in any position here to make a play) and 8 defenders. This picture is taken just a hair over 1 second from the snap, there is not a Hawkeye receiver that has even thought about looking back to the ball, Petras is trying to fit it into double coverage, and then right after this pic was taken he was sacked. If you think that Petras should have pocket awareness less than 2.0 seconds post-snap while in max protect and trying to look downfield into double coverage you are crazy. There is no way he was expecting pressure here. Also, isn't it interesting how we have 5 Hawkeyes in the area to block 2 defenders yet the right tackle is left in a 1-on-1 situation?



Now this one. First of all, Petras has just planted his back foot on his dropback about 8 yards deep. This is right at 1.4 seconds post snap. It was so much fun the first time, so lets count again here. I count 3 rushers against 5 offensive lineman blockers. Now, lets look at the receivers. There are 4 receivers out in their routes along with Goodson running a shallow cross. At this point, Petras can't even see Goodson and none of the other 4 receivers are available for a pass. And once again, we have 5 receivers for 8 defenders, nearly double coverage. Petras has no way of knowing that he is about to get pressure from his blindside because we again outnumbering the opponents. Now lets look at the defenders. All of them having their eyes on the ball as this is a zone look across the the field with deep help. I am sorry people but there is nowhere to throw the ball here at this point unless you want to throw it to the other team. Every defender is ready to break on the ball. The only throw here is to 15, but, the middle linebacker is waiting for it and even if he threw it to Goodson here it is a very minimal gain. If Petras had a bit more time, the middle could have been open to the TE or a seam route to the slot would have been available. But guess what? Petras got sacked right after this. And one last thing, lets look at the LT. Completely beat on the outside in a 1-on-1 situation and 2 offensive lineman are left to block nobody. Even if Petras steps up, it will only disrupt the timing of the routes and will allow the safeties to converage on the deep routes. And, for all of those that want a running quarterback, if he pulls the ball down here and runs exactly how many of these linebackers do you think he can beat to get a first down? The linebackers are in better position and closer to the LOS than the quarterback is so that will be a minimal gain at best



Lets do another one. So here, less than 1 second post-snap on 3rd and 4, Petras has just completed a short drop. Petras actually recognized the blitz here and is doing what he thinks is the right thing by throwing into it. But, the corner here is pressing the receiver in a 1-on-1 with inside leverage trying to take away the slant. This is Petras' first read and the right one. But, the left tackle doesn't block anyone nor does Goodson want to even chip the backer as he comes around the edge. What you don't see right after this is that the first guy hits Petras in the mouth about a tenth of a second after this screenshot, but, if it wasn't him it was the other unblocked guy behind him that would have cleaned it up. Petras somehow miraculously gets out of it and throws the ball away. But this play here is really telling because what Petras thought was the right read, which was the right read, was actually the wrong read because if he had looked to the other side of the field he would have had an easy out-route to pick up the first down. It is almost as if Wisconsin knew what the first read was and baited Petras into it. Hmmm....



Are we having fun yet? Lets do another one. So on this one, about 1.5 seconds post-snap Petras is going to get the ball out. He knows he has to because he has to be tired of being mauled by now right? The coaches are tired of it too so they went max protect with 2 TE's along with a RB to max protect. So Petras here has 2 receivers in routes and 16 is clearly double covered and 6 has beaten the corner to the inside but out of frame would be a safety over the top and Petras recognizes this and has to throw to the other side. But one defender has come free and is getting ready to lay the wood on Petras. Luckily here, Petras fires into double coverage because he has to throw it sooner than he wants and 16 drew a PI flag that lead to the touchdown. But hey, atleast 16 and 6 were looking back at the quarterback.



Lets just do one more for shits and giggles. Maybe I just picked the 4 worse plays out of a game and you all think I am a Petras homer. Who knows? But nonetheless, there is a fifth one here. In this play we actually have some numbers because we have 4 receivers out against only 7 defenders this time. This is 1.6 seconds post snap and Petras has set and wants to let it go. Same story here though. Nobody has broken their route yet, and Petras sees the pressure right in his face but probably doesn't (but has to expect by now) the pressure from the edge. He can step up, tuck it and run, whatever, he is going to get sacked here whatever he does. Wisconsin is in great position to defend whatever he does here because again, everybody has their eyes on the ball.



I hope that gives everyone a visual of what is going on with this offense. If there is no time to throw, your offense is going to be crap. I don't care what level of football anybody is playing and I don't care who the quarterback is, the o ain't moving. And I hope by you see from these snippets (and for those inquiring minds there are many many more plays that I could choose from, I just stopped after 5) that there is a lot of blame to go around besides the quarterback. It is not just that the offensive line is bad, it is, but it is how they are bad. Their technique is awful, they don't maintain balance thus have no leverage, and oftentimes you see them not engaging the defender but really looks like they are trying not to. A defensive tackle, end or LB'er will want to CREATE space and the blocker will want to ELIMINATE that space, but we are not doing that at all. These guys may not be the most talented offensive linemen in the world, but, a lot of this has to fall on the position coach to look that bad. Anybody who has played any sport is taught on day one to be in the ready position, to widen your stance, keep your balance, slide your feet and keep your weight over the balls of your feet, blah, blah. But these guys consistently are not doing that. And in many other instances, we have blockers that literally run right past a defender to go block someone else when the person they ran by goes and makes the play. That again has to be coaching. The receivers and route trees are not helping a think either because they have to make themselves an available target. Think whatever you want about Petras, but the guy is standing back there ready to get his head knocked up because the blocking in front of him sucks but nobody is even looking at him to give him a place to throw. I really to feel bad for the guy because who would want to play QB in that situation. I also have to call out the play calling, and by no means am I wanting to contribute to another "Fire BF" campaign, but it is obvious that a lot of these defenses know what is coming. I think one of the Wisconsin d-linemen said as much. That has to get better too.

My goal of this very long post is not to bitch, whine or complain, but explain to everyone why exactly this offense is struggling so badly right now. The good thing is that some of this can be cleaned up. The bad thing is that some of it cannot. This is what it is at this point and if this team wins 10 or 11 games this year it will be a ****ing miracle. Hell, 6 wins is a pretty great accomplishment all by itself.
 
I absolutely agree the line is the single biggest problem with the offense. That said, the pictures you posted mostly show the same thing: a defensive pass rush that absolutely is not worried about any sort of gap integrity to keep the QB contained. Look at how wide the ends are going to get to Spencer. Iowa in particularly does not let its D-ends go that wide after the QB, leaving wide open running lanes. Defenses can pretty much ignore the possibility of a QB scramble against Iowa, making it a lot easier for the pass rush to pin its ears back. And all that said, outside of a few moments last year, I don't agree with the claim that Spencer is this accurate, on time passer even when he gets decent time to throw. Hopefully he can get some good protection this week against NW and show what he is capable of doing with some time to throw.
 
Everyone fvcking body agrees the line is the biggest problem. Why some people can’t admit it’s not the only problem is hard to believe.

Other than Center, they have changed every other line position to see if they can find the right guy for each position…
 
I absolutely agree the line is the single biggest problem with the offense. That said, the pictures you posted mostly show the same thing: a defensive pass rush that absolutely is not worried about any sort of gap integrity to keep the QB contained. Look at how wide the ends are going to get to Spencer. Iowa in particularly does not let its D-ends go that wide after the QB, leaving wide open running lanes. Defenses can pretty much ignore the possibility of a QB scramble against Iowa, making it a lot easier for the pass rush to pin its ears back. And all that said, outside of a few moments last year, I don't agree with the claim that Spencer is this accurate, on time passer even when he gets decent time to throw. Hopefully he can get some good protection this week against NW and show what he is capable of doing with some time to throw.
Even with a mobile QB I doubt Wisconsin would defend us any different. They stunt so much they basically have a spy each play while sitting in a zone. With 4 LBs in the game at all times they think they will always be able to run down the QB.
 
Looks like part of his problem is similar to Patrick mahones where he takes to big of drop backs. He should rarely be 10 yards behind the LOS especially with the speed rushers Wisconsin has. Its putting to much pressure on the OL and making the Defenses job much easier. Being a talker qb he also shouldn’t have to take those big of drops.
 
I want to show some of the things that are going on with this offensive line and how that is impacting Petras.

Here in this first image we can see that the right tackle is beaten badly. I am not doing this to call anyone out by name, be mean or embarass anyone, but look at his body position. He has no balance, his feet are nearly crossed up and ready to trip over himself and he is reaching badly, all resulting in him having zero leverage and out of position. Now count the players. There are 6 blockers and only 3 rushers. That means after taking out the quarterback, there are 4 receivers (not counting 15 who is not in any position here to make a play) and 8 defenders. This picture is taken just a hair over 1 second from the snap, there is not a Hawkeye receiver that has even thought about looking back to the ball, Petras is trying to fit it into double coverage, and then right after this pic was taken he was sacked. If you think that Petras should have pocket awareness less than 2.0 seconds post-snap while in max protect and trying to look downfield into double coverage you are crazy. There is no way he was expecting pressure here. Also, isn't it interesting how we have 5 Hawkeyes in the area to block 2 defenders yet the right tackle is left in a 1-on-1 situation?



Now this one. First of all, Petras has just planted his back foot on his dropback about 8 yards deep. This is right at 1.4 seconds post snap. It was so much fun the first time, so lets count again here. I count 3 rushers against 5 offensive lineman blockers. Now, lets look at the receivers. There are 4 receivers out in their routes along with Goodson running a shallow cross. At this point, Petras can't even see Goodson and none of the other 4 receivers are available for a pass. And once again, we have 5 receivers for 8 defenders, nearly double coverage. Petras has no way of knowing that he is about to get pressure from his blindside because we again outnumbering the opponents. Now lets look at the defenders. All of them having their eyes on the ball as this is a zone look across the the field with deep help. I am sorry people but there is nowhere to throw the ball here at this point unless you want to throw it to the other team. Every defender is ready to break on the ball. The only throw here is to 15, but, the middle linebacker is waiting for it and even if he threw it to Goodson here it is a very minimal gain. If Petras had a bit more time, the middle could have been open to the TE or a seam route to the slot would have been available. But guess what? Petras got sacked right after this. And one last thing, lets look at the LT. Completely beat on the outside in a 1-on-1 situation and 2 offensive lineman are left to block nobody. Even if Petras steps up, it will only disrupt the timing of the routes and will allow the safeties to converage on the deep routes. And, for all of those that want a running quarterback, if he pulls the ball down here and runs exactly how many of these linebackers do you think he can beat to get a first down? The linebackers are in better position and closer to the LOS than the quarterback is so that will be a minimal gain at best



Lets do another one. So here, less than 1 second post-snap on 3rd and 4, Petras has just completed a short drop. Petras actually recognized the blitz here and is doing what he thinks is the right thing by throwing into it. But, the corner here is pressing the receiver in a 1-on-1 with inside leverage trying to take away the slant. This is Petras' first read and the right one. But, the left tackle doesn't block anyone nor does Goodson want to even chip the backer as he comes around the edge. What you don't see right after this is that the first guy hits Petras in the mouth about a tenth of a second after this screenshot, but, if it wasn't him it was the other unblocked guy behind him that would have cleaned it up. Petras somehow miraculously gets out of it and throws the ball away. But this play here is really telling because what Petras thought was the right read, which was the right read, was actually the wrong read because if he had looked to the other side of the field he would have had an easy out-route to pick up the first down. It is almost as if Wisconsin knew what the first read was and baited Petras into it. Hmmm....



Are we having fun yet? Lets do another one. So on this one, about 1.5 seconds post-snap Petras is going to get the ball out. He knows he has to because he has to be tired of being mauled by now right? The coaches are tired of it too so they went max protect with 2 TE's along with a RB to max protect. So Petras here has 2 receivers in routes and 16 is clearly double covered and 6 has beaten the corner to the inside but out of frame would be a safety over the top and Petras recognizes this and has to throw to the other side. But one defender has come free and is getting ready to lay the wood on Petras. Luckily here, Petras fires into double coverage because he has to throw it sooner than he wants and 16 drew a PI flag that lead to the touchdown. But hey, atleast 16 and 6 were looking back at the quarterback.



Lets just do one more for shits and giggles. Maybe I just picked the 4 worse plays out of a game and you all think I am a Petras homer. Who knows? But nonetheless, there is a fifth one here. In this play we actually have some numbers because we have 4 receivers out against only 7 defenders this time. This is 1.6 seconds post snap and Petras has set and wants to let it go. Same story here though. Nobody has broken their route yet, and Petras sees the pressure right in his face but probably doesn't (but has to expect by now) the pressure from the edge. He can step up, tuck it and run, whatever, he is going to get sacked here whatever he does. Wisconsin is in great position to defend whatever he does here because again, everybody has their eyes on the ball.



I hope that gives everyone a visual of what is going on with this offense. If there is no time to throw, your offense is going to be crap. I don't care what level of football anybody is playing and I don't care who the quarterback is, the o ain't moving. And I hope by you see from these snippets (and for those inquiring minds there are many many more plays that I could choose from, I just stopped after 5) that there is a lot of blame to go around besides the quarterback. It is not just that the offensive line is bad, it is, but it is how they are bad. Their technique is awful, they don't maintain balance thus have no leverage, and oftentimes you see them not engaging the defender but really looks like they are trying not to. A defensive tackle, end or LB'er will want to CREATE space and the blocker will want to ELIMINATE that space, but we are not doing that at all. These guys may not be the most talented offensive linemen in the world, but, a lot of this has to fall on the position coach to look that bad. Anybody who has played any sport is taught on day one to be in the ready position, to widen your stance, keep your balance, slide your feet and keep your weight over the balls of your feet, blah, blah. But these guys consistently are not doing that. And in many other instances, we have blockers that literally run right past a defender to go block someone else when the person they ran by goes and makes the play. That again has to be coaching. The receivers and route trees are not helping a think either because they have to make themselves an available target. Think whatever you want about Petras, but the guy is standing back there ready to get his head knocked up because the blocking in front of him sucks but nobody is even looking at him to give him a place to throw. I really to feel bad for the guy because who would want to play QB in that situation. I also have to call out the play calling, and by no means am I wanting to contribute to another "Fire BF" campaign, but it is obvious that a lot of these defenses know what is coming. I think one of the Wisconsin d-linemen said as much. That has to get better too.

My goal of this very long post is not to bitch, whine or complain, but explain to everyone why exactly this offense is struggling so badly right now. The good thing is that some of this can be cleaned up. The bad thing is that some of it cannot. This is what it is at this point and if this team wins 10 or 11 games this year it will be a ****ing miracle. Hell, 6 wins is a pretty great accomplishment all by itself.
i see tons of running room :)
 
Looks like part of his problem is similar to Patrick mahones where he takes to big of drop backs. He should rarely be 10 yards behind the LOS especially with the speed rushers Wisconsin has. Its putting to much pressure on the OL and making the Defenses job much easier. Being a talker qb he also shouldn’t have to take those big of drops.
I think sometimes that is the issue but not all the time because he will get pressure right up the middle too and then that would be worse.
 
i see tons of running room :)
Sure, it may look like there are lanes but look at how the defenders are positioned. They were doing to us exactly what we do to our opponents, except in my opinion only better, because they basically trade a slower defensive lineman for a much more agile linebacker which allows them to add that spy.
 
Sure, it may look like there are lanes but look at how the defenders are positioned. They were doing to us exactly what we do to our opponents, except in my opinion only better, because they basically trade a slower defensive lineman for a much more agile linebacker which allows them to add that spy.
i see as many blockers as defenders, see like good numbers to me
 
OK...so how do they win going forward?
I am no coach, but I agree with KF in that wholesale changes at this point are not going to be fruitful. I would do the following:

1. We have to get out of the negative running plays on first and second down. This line is not talented enough to run the zone scheme against some of these defensive fronts because the chances of having it getting it blown up because of one gap penetration is very high. So if they have to go old school gap designed straight ahead running with 2 TE's in the game then so be it.
2. We just need to stop the empty sets. This is like turning on a neon light saying, "Hey, we are going to pass, come and sack our QB"
3. The offensive linemen all need to go back to square one and get back to the fundamentals of balance and staying in front of the defender. They need to willingly take on the defender, engage them and try to take away their space. They need to not lose the 1-on-1 battles and atleast slow down the rushers. This is both effort and technique, but it isn't like these guys have never played the game.
4. The backs and TE's need to start chipping the ends and backers and help in the pass protection game.
5. We need to commit to running the ball, even if it is not successful, because we will only be successful going downfield with play action. No running = no PA.
6. I think we take snaps away from Tracy and play 6, 16 and 89. He is either lost, gotten slower or not playing with effort because the TE's regularly are further down the field than he is, and he is supposed to be our X. So lets just go with 6.
7. But, saying that, I like 84 and 85 on the field at the same time. I think that allows us to run better as well as pass block better because they can help out the tackles a lot. Our WR's just aren't winning their matchups so we dont need to waste that position on the field. So at this point, give me 15, 6, 16/89, 84 and 85 for the majority of the plays and try to get to a 50/50 run/pass split.
8. I think we need to roll the pocket more. Not all the time. But rolling the pocket to one direction while having routes designed for 15 and 84 in front of that roll with 6 and/or 89 running weakside routes puts the defense in some stress. I really like the play with 84 and 85 running the levels routes as well, and Petras can hit that on the run.
9. As much as I like the guy and I think his style is beneficial at times, we need to not play IKM and give one of the other young backs more regular looks. We need a back that is willing to go straight ahead and dish out some punishment. It is unfortunate that we do not have a big bruising back because we could certainly use one, but lets see what we have with a young guy because IKM is just not reliable enough and we cannot afford turnovers.
10. Don't ever let Max Cooper in the game again.
11. Run out of shotgun more with Goodson. Simple pitches and draws would have to slow down that pass rush and keep those ends honest. If you never do it why would anyone ever expect it. Plus, while Petras will never run, the RPO action would be something simple to implement during a practice week and would be effective at freezing the safeties and linebackers.
12. Run shotgun more often but not empty. Never empty. I am not a huge fan out running shotgun all the time, but, in this instance with an immobile QB and and challenged offensive line, this eliminates the time it takes to drop back and allows Petras just a bit more time to make his read. But, this is only effective if he can actually make a post-snap read and hand it off when he reads over-pursuit. Doing this would maximize the effort of trying to be unpredictable and give the passing game the most time to develop. This would open up the double move and all the seam routes.
13. I think they need to run more screens, like traditional screens. Not the tunnel screen but the QB bailing back and sucking in the defensive ends who just whipped the tackles kind of screen. We can manufacture a numbers advantage with this, and while it could get blown up, atleast it plants the seed to the ends that they can find themselves in the wrong kind of highlight if they keep speed rushing wide like that.

Like I said, I am no coach, but I think all of these things can be implemented and while it won't make this offense explosive by any means, it could put us back in the position to atleast find ourselves in manageable third down situations, move the ball more and control time of possession, and maybe get a lead which is where our defense plays its best.

What do you think?
 
Second picture. Richman's man is taking a wide angle and the other two rushers are engaged. Petras could break to the right and wait for Goodson to clear on the crossing route. The better option is to step up and left and push the ball down the field. Remaining stationary and getting lit up by the edge rusher is the worst option.
 
Mrs. Petras we aren’t saying your son is the only problem, we understand O line play is bad too.
I was wondering if it was spencer that was the op. Seems to be defending himself when he’s part of the problem.
like if said before, petras might be an alright qb with a great o-line. However, he is making this not so great o-line even worse because the defense doesn’t have to worry about him taking off running at all which allows the defense to go full on rush.
 
I am no coach, but I agree with KF in that wholesale changes at this point are not going to be fruitful. I would do the following:

1. We have to get out of the negative running plays on first and second down. This line is not talented enough to run the zone scheme against some of these defensive fronts because the chances of having it getting it blown up because of one gap penetration is very high. So if they have to go old school gap designed straight ahead running with 2 TE's in the game then so be it.
2. We just need to stop the empty sets. This is like turning on a neon light saying, "Hey, we are going to pass, come and sack our QB"
3. The offensive linemen all need to go back to square one and get back to the fundamentals of balance and staying in front of the defender. They need to willingly take on the defender, engage them and try to take away their space. They need to not lose the 1-on-1 battles and atleast slow down the rushers. This is both effort and technique, but it isn't like these guys have never played the game.
4. The backs and TE's need to start chipping the ends and backers and help in the pass protection game.
5. We need to commit to running the ball, even if it is not successful, because we will only be successful going downfield with play action. No running = no PA.
6. I think we take snaps away from Tracy and play 6, 16 and 89. He is either lost, gotten slower or not playing with effort because the TE's regularly are further down the field than he is, and he is supposed to be our X. So lets just go with 6.
7. But, saying that, I like 84 and 85 on the field at the same time. I think that allows us to run better as well as pass block better because they can help out the tackles a lot. Our WR's just aren't winning their matchups so we dont need to waste that position on the field. So at this point, give me 15, 6, 16/89, 84 and 85 for the majority of the plays and try to get to a 50/50 run/pass split.
8. I think we need to roll the pocket more. Not all the time. But rolling the pocket to one direction while having routes designed for 15 and 84 in front of that roll with 6 and/or 89 running weakside routes puts the defense in some stress. I really like the play with 84 and 85 running the levels routes as well, and Petras can hit that on the run.
9. As much as I like the guy and I think his style is beneficial at times, we need to not play IKM and give one of the other young backs more regular looks. We need a back that is willing to go straight ahead and dish out some punishment. It is unfortunate that we do not have a big bruising back because we could certainly use one, but lets see what we have with a young guy because IKM is just not reliable enough and we cannot afford turnovers.
10. Don't ever let Max Cooper in the game again.
11. Run out of shotgun more with Goodson. Simple pitches and draws would have to slow down that pass rush and keep those ends honest. If you never do it why would anyone ever expect it. Plus, while Petras will never run, the RPO action would be something simple to implement during a practice week and would be effective at freezing the safeties and linebackers.
12. Run shotgun more often but not empty. Never empty. I am not a huge fan out running shotgun all the time, but, in this instance with an immobile QB and and challenged offensive line, this eliminates the time it takes to drop back and allows Petras just a bit more time to make his read. But, this is only effective if he can actually make a post-snap read and hand it off when he reads over-pursuit. Doing this would maximize the effort of trying to be unpredictable and give the passing game the most time to develop. This would open up the double move and all the seam routes.
13. I think they need to run more screens, like traditional screens. Not the tunnel screen but the QB bailing back and sucking in the defensive ends who just whipped the tackles kind of screen. We can manufacture a numbers advantage with this, and while it could get blown up, atleast it plants the seed to the ends that they can find themselves in the wrong kind of highlight if they keep speed rushing wide like that.

Like I said, I am no coach, but I think all of these things can be implemented and while it won't make this offense explosive by any means, it could put us back in the position to atleast find ourselves in manageable third down situations, move the ball more and control time of possession, and maybe get a lead which is where our defense plays its best.

What do you think?
how do u run on 1st and 2nd down with 9 guys coming towards the line of scrimmage? our problem is 1st down, think we are one of the worst in the country on ypc on 1st.
 
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In Photos #2 any QB with wheels gets 15 yards on a run. A QB like Stroud, Clifford or Martinez could turn those into huge gains. If that Happens in Photos #1 and #2...the offense opens up. Petras is obsolete in today's game.
I’m photo 2 there are two defenders within the LOS sitting in a zone watching the QB that will be a play at the LOS nowhere near close to a 15 yard gain. In photo one the RT already got beat and Wisconsin has a free man with a looper that would have also resulted in a sack.
 
Sure, it may look like there are lanes but look at how the defenders are positioned. They were doing to us exactly what we do to our opponents, except in my opinion only better, because they basically trade a slower defensive lineman for a much more agile linebacker which allows them to add that spy.

A good example is Padilla’s sack that was his fault. He thought there was a running lane and it immediately closed by a much faster LB. with Petras at least he would stick in the pocket try to make his reads and hit the check down. All Padilla did was get to his drop get happy feet and bailed out of good protection after 1 second.
 
I don’t see Petras as “the” problem but his weaknesses are part of the overall problem of our offense being horrible.

Our OL is problem number 1. His weaknesses, lack of mobility and poor pocket awareness, are amplified because we can’t protect the QB. We’re also not great at running the ball which puts more pressure on passing game.

If we had a mobile QB, that would help with some of those issues but I don’t think it would fix “the” issue. On top of our OL and some of Petras’s flaws, our WR/TE’s have been underwhelming . I see promise with Keagan/Bruce but I don’t think any of the other 3 would be starting at any top 25 team and collectively they’ve had too many drops.

The way I see it, our biggest problems are:
1) OL
2) Inexperienced/Unqualified offensive coordinator
3a) Petras mobility/pocket issues
3b) lack of playmakers
 
No Petras is not the only problem. When given a clean pocket and time he can be a pretty efficient QB. We don't have that luxury this year so lets trade the really good arm and awful mobility, for decent arm and decent mobility. I think it gives the team a better chance to score points.
 
No Petras is not the only problem. When given a clean pocket and time he can be a pretty efficient QB. We don't have that luxury this year so lets trade the really good arm and awful mobility, for decent arm and decent mobility. I think it gives the team a better chance to score points.
On the first sack vs Wisconsin, Petras had several seconds and just stood there until sacked.

I don’t know what coaching these players are receiving but it appears to be very minimal.
 
On the first sack vs Wisconsin, Petras had several seconds and just stood there until sacked.

I don’t know what coaching these players are receiving but it appears to be very minimal.

I think Petras has a dear in the headlights aspect to him as well. Couple that with almost zero escapeability and you have a problem.
 
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I want to show some of the things that are going on with this offensive line and how that is impacting Petras.

Here in this first image we can see that the right tackle is beaten badly. I am not doing this to call anyone out by name, be mean or embarass anyone, but look at his body position. He has no balance, his feet are nearly crossed up and ready to trip over himself and he is reaching badly, all resulting in him having zero leverage and out of position. Now count the players. There are 6 blockers and only 3 rushers. That means after taking out the quarterback, there are 4 receivers (not counting 15 who is not in any position here to make a play) and 8 defenders. This picture is taken just a hair over 1 second from the snap, there is not a Hawkeye receiver that has even thought about looking back to the ball, Petras is trying to fit it into double coverage, and then right after this pic was taken he was sacked. If you think that Petras should have pocket awareness less than 2.0 seconds post-snap while in max protect and trying to look downfield into double coverage you are crazy. There is no way he was expecting pressure here. Also, isn't it interesting how we have 5 Hawkeyes in the area to block 2 defenders yet the right tackle is left in a 1-on-1 situation?



Now this one. First of all, Petras has just planted his back foot on his dropback about 8 yards deep. This is right at 1.4 seconds post snap. It was so much fun the first time, so lets count again here. I count 3 rushers against 5 offensive lineman blockers. Now, lets look at the receivers. There are 4 receivers out in their routes along with Goodson running a shallow cross. At this point, Petras can't even see Goodson and none of the other 4 receivers are available for a pass. And once again, we have 5 receivers for 8 defenders, nearly double coverage. Petras has no way of knowing that he is about to get pressure from his blindside because we again outnumbering the opponents. Now lets look at the defenders. All of them having their eyes on the ball as this is a zone look across the the field with deep help. I am sorry people but there is nowhere to throw the ball here at this point unless you want to throw it to the other team. Every defender is ready to break on the ball. The only throw here is to 15, but, the middle linebacker is waiting for it and even if he threw it to Goodson here it is a very minimal gain. If Petras had a bit more time, the middle could have been open to the TE or a seam route to the slot would have been available. But guess what? Petras got sacked right after this. And one last thing, lets look at the LT. Completely beat on the outside in a 1-on-1 situation and 2 offensive lineman are left to block nobody. Even if Petras steps up, it will only disrupt the timing of the routes and will allow the safeties to converage on the deep routes. And, for all of those that want a running quarterback, if he pulls the ball down here and runs exactly how many of these linebackers do you think he can beat to get a first down? The linebackers are in better position and closer to the LOS than the quarterback is so that will be a minimal gain at best



Lets do another one. So here, less than 1 second post-snap on 3rd and 4, Petras has just completed a short drop. Petras actually recognized the blitz here and is doing what he thinks is the right thing by throwing into it. But, the corner here is pressing the receiver in a 1-on-1 with inside leverage trying to take away the slant. This is Petras' first read and the right one. But, the left tackle doesn't block anyone nor does Goodson want to even chip the backer as he comes around the edge. What you don't see right after this is that the first guy hits Petras in the mouth about a tenth of a second after this screenshot, but, if it wasn't him it was the other unblocked guy behind him that would have cleaned it up. Petras somehow miraculously gets out of it and throws the ball away. But this play here is really telling because what Petras thought was the right read, which was the right read, was actually the wrong read because if he had looked to the other side of the field he would have had an easy out-route to pick up the first down. It is almost as if Wisconsin knew what the first read was and baited Petras into it. Hmmm....



Are we having fun yet? Lets do another one. So on this one, about 1.5 seconds post-snap Petras is going to get the ball out. He knows he has to because he has to be tired of being mauled by now right? The coaches are tired of it too so they went max protect with 2 TE's along with a RB to max protect. So Petras here has 2 receivers in routes and 16 is clearly double covered and 6 has beaten the corner to the inside but out of frame would be a safety over the top and Petras recognizes this and has to throw to the other side. But one defender has come free and is getting ready to lay the wood on Petras. Luckily here, Petras fires into double coverage because he has to throw it sooner than he wants and 16 drew a PI flag that lead to the touchdown. But hey, atleast 16 and 6 were looking back at the quarterback.



Lets just do one more for shits and giggles. Maybe I just picked the 4 worse plays out of a game and you all think I am a Petras homer. Who knows? But nonetheless, there is a fifth one here. In this play we actually have some numbers because we have 4 receivers out against only 7 defenders this time. This is 1.6 seconds post snap and Petras has set and wants to let it go. Same story here though. Nobody has broken their route yet, and Petras sees the pressure right in his face but probably doesn't (but has to expect by now) the pressure from the edge. He can step up, tuck it and run, whatever, he is going to get sacked here whatever he does. Wisconsin is in great position to defend whatever he does here because again, everybody has their eyes on the ball.



I hope that gives everyone a visual of what is going on with this offense. If there is no time to throw, your offense is going to be crap. I don't care what level of football anybody is playing and I don't care who the quarterback is, the o ain't moving. And I hope by you see from these snippets (and for those inquiring minds there are many many more plays that I could choose from, I just stopped after 5) that there is a lot of blame to go around besides the quarterback. It is not just that the offensive line is bad, it is, but it is how they are bad. Their technique is awful, they don't maintain balance thus have no leverage, and oftentimes you see them not engaging the defender but really looks like they are trying not to. A defensive tackle, end or LB'er will want to CREATE space and the blocker will want to ELIMINATE that space, but we are not doing that at all. These guys may not be the most talented offensive linemen in the world, but, a lot of this has to fall on the position coach to look that bad. Anybody who has played any sport is taught on day one to be in the ready position, to widen your stance, keep your balance, slide your feet and keep your weight over the balls of your feet, blah, blah. But these guys consistently are not doing that. And in many other instances, we have blockers that literally run right past a defender to go block someone else when the person they ran by goes and makes the play. That again has to be coaching. The receivers and route trees are not helping a think either because they have to make themselves an available target. Think whatever you want about Petras, but the guy is standing back there ready to get his head knocked up because the blocking in front of him sucks but nobody is even looking at him to give him a place to throw. I really to feel bad for the guy because who would want to play QB in that situation. I also have to call out the play calling, and by no means am I wanting to contribute to another "Fire BF" campaign, but it is obvious that a lot of these defenses know what is coming. I think one of the Wisconsin d-linemen said as much. That has to get better too.

My goal of this very long post is not to bitch, whine or complain, but explain to everyone why exactly this offense is struggling so badly right now. The good thing is that some of this can be cleaned up. The bad thing is that some of it cannot. This is what it is at this point and if this team wins 10 or 11 games this year it will be a ****ing miracle. Hell, 6 wins is a pretty great accomplishment all by itself.
As "expert" announcers have said, if the OL is having issues then PETRAS NEEDS TO STEP UP IN THE POCKET. As "expert" announcers have said, If the OL is having issues then the COACHES NEED TO SCHEME BETTER AND\OR GET A MOBILE QB. As "expert" announcers have said, THE OFFENS IS PREDICTABLE. So when a team knows the first read that will be made and that the QB doesn't progress quickly to other options, then something is wrong with the scheming.

But, hey you did good analysis.
 
The Oline is not good but Petras is fuggin terrible. It's really not fair to the team to keep playing him, it really isn't. It's showing that the staff again, doesn't give chances to other players when they clearly should be given, even if they fail, they still get the opportunity.
 
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As "expert" announcers have said, if the OL is having issues then PETRAS NEEDS TO STEP UP IN THE POCKET. As "expert" announcers have said, If the OL is having issues then the COACHES NEED TO SCHEME BETTER AND\OR GET A MOBILE QB. As "expert" announcers have said, THE OFFENS IS PREDICTABLE. So when a team knows the first read that will be made and that the QB doesn't progress quickly to other options, then something is wrong with the scheming.

But, hey you did good analysis.
Hey, these experts…as many around here would say, “what do they know?” I could give the same feedback about Petras and response would be “you know nothing.” Or “you’re not at practice.”

It’s not like they watch football for a living or anything……….or at some point played football for a living.

All it takes is two god damn eyeballs and the glaring deficiencies of the Line AND Quarterback are clear as day.
 
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I think Petras has a dear in the headlights aspect to him as well. Couple that with almost zero escapeability and you have a problem.
IMO one of the reasons Iowa QBs struggle is that they are asked to make a lot of decisions. The general trend in college football has been to simplify decision making for QBs. A lot of systems that other teams run are deceptively simple. Teams repeat a relatively small set of concepts over and over again and as a result the read for the QB becomes almost a natural reaction. Some systems slice the field and prior to the snap. So the QB only has a couple choices.
Iowa expects their QB to make the best choice out of a number of options. This is arguably the best choice if you have an exceptional QB and a line that can protect long enough. These types of QBs are rare in college football.
 
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A good example is Padilla’s sack that was his fault. He thought there was a running lane and it immediately closed by a much faster LB. with Petras at least he would stick in the pocket try to make his reads and hit the check down. All Padilla did was get to his drop get happy feet and bailed out of good protection after 1 second.
You can show these mouthbreathers 15 more of these plays, they wont understand it and continue to make stupid claims like "any other QB could pick up 15 yards easy".

You and @NCHawkeye24 are making great points and laying it out in a great way with examples, but at the end of the day it's going to be all for naught. Posters here might have played a whole 2 years of 1A football back in 89 and basically know the game in and out.
 

A good example is Padilla’s sack that was his fault. He thought there was a running lane and it immediately closed by a much faster LB. with Petras at least he would stick in the pocket try to make his reads and hit the check down. All Padilla did was get to his drop get happy feet and bailed out of good protection after 1 second.
Seriously Petras is the king of happy feet. On top of it he folds like a deck of cards when ever it collapses more times than not and curls up like a turtle in his shell taking a sack. Or when he does roll out and leaves the pocket his completion % is awful. It's not like Petras is sticking in the pocket like Manning or Brady finding secondary reads routinely because he is not. Or even look at the very first play of the game. He does the exact same thing like this play shown here for a 2 yard sack instead of throwing it away and is even given more time to throw.

To the OP's point yes the OL is awful but Petras isn't doing the offense any favors as well. Because when he does have time to throw he's been way to inconsistent. But I think person most at fault is our incompetent OC who sets the offense up for failure.
 
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You can show these mouthbreathers 15 more of these plays, they wont understand it and continue to make stupid claims like "any other QB could pick up 15 yards easy".

You and @NCHawkeye24 are making great points and laying it out in a great way with examples, but at the end of the day it's going to be all for naught. Posters here might have played a whole 2 years of 1A football back in 89 and basically know the game in and out.
So here we have a quarterback that can’t run, can’t even escape a rush for an extra second; This quarterback is worse than awful as far as pocket presence, and also throws WAY outta bounds on 4th down.

Solid points were made about Padilla but what if he was given more game reps? The guy could at least be given a chance to get into a groove / or not get into a groove.

Why not give Hogan or Labas serious game reps?
 
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I absolutely agree the line is the single biggest problem with the offense. That said, the pictures you posted mostly show the same thing: a defensive pass rush that absolutely is not worried about any sort of gap integrity to keep the QB contained. Look at how wide the ends are going to get to Spencer. Iowa in particularly does not let its D-ends go that wide after the QB, leaving wide open running lanes. Defenses can pretty much ignore the possibility of a QB scramble against Iowa, making it a lot easier for the pass rush to pin its ears back. And all that said, outside of a few moments last year, I don't agree with the claim that Spencer is this accurate, on time passer even when he gets decent time to throw. Hopefully he can get some good protection this week against NW and show what he is capable of doing with some time to throw.
The line is a problem, and so is the statue standing back there getting sacked, fumbling, throwing picks, and missing receivers. Put somebody in there who can move and keep the defense honest in the pass rush and you might see the line perform a little better.
 
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I am no coach, but I agree with KF in that wholesale changes at this point are not going to be fruitful. I would do the following:

1. We have to get out of the negative running plays on first and second down. This line is not talented enough to run the zone scheme against some of these defensive fronts because the chances of having it getting it blown up because of one gap penetration is very high. So if they have to go old school gap designed straight ahead running with 2 TE's in the game then so be it.
2. We just need to stop the empty sets. This is like turning on a neon light saying, "Hey, we are going to pass, come and sack our QB"
3. The offensive linemen all need to go back to square one and get back to the fundamentals of balance and staying in front of the defender. They need to willingly take on the defender, engage them and try to take away their space. They need to not lose the 1-on-1 battles and atleast slow down the rushers. This is both effort and technique, but it isn't like these guys have never played the game.
4. The backs and TE's need to start chipping the ends and backers and help in the pass protection game.
5. We need to commit to running the ball, even if it is not successful, because we will only be successful going downfield with play action. No running = no PA.
6. I think we take snaps away from Tracy and play 6, 16 and 89. He is either lost, gotten slower or not playing with effort because the TE's regularly are further down the field than he is, and he is supposed to be our X. So lets just go with 6.
7. But, saying that, I like 84 and 85 on the field at the same time. I think that allows us to run better as well as pass block better because they can help out the tackles a lot. Our WR's just aren't winning their matchups so we dont need to waste that position on the field. So at this point, give me 15, 6, 16/89, 84 and 85 for the majority of the plays and try to get to a 50/50 run/pass split.
8. I think we need to roll the pocket more. Not all the time. But rolling the pocket to one direction while having routes designed for 15 and 84 in front of that roll with 6 and/or 89 running weakside routes puts the defense in some stress. I really like the play with 84 and 85 running the levels routes as well, and Petras can hit that on the run.
9. As much as I like the guy and I think his style is beneficial at times, we need to not play IKM and give one of the other young backs more regular looks. We need a back that is willing to go straight ahead and dish out some punishment. It is unfortunate that we do not have a big bruising back because we could certainly use one, but lets see what we have with a young guy because IKM is just not reliable enough and we cannot afford turnovers.
10. Don't ever let Max Cooper in the game again.
11. Run out of shotgun more with Goodson. Simple pitches and draws would have to slow down that pass rush and keep those ends honest. If you never do it why would anyone ever expect it. Plus, while Petras will never run, the RPO action would be something simple to implement during a practice week and would be effective at freezing the safeties and linebackers.
12. Run shotgun more often but not empty. Never empty. I am not a huge fan out running shotgun all the time, but, in this instance with an immobile QB and and challenged offensive line, this eliminates the time it takes to drop back and allows Petras just a bit more time to make his read. But, this is only effective if he can actually make a post-snap read and hand it off when he reads over-pursuit. Doing this would maximize the effort of trying to be unpredictable and give the passing game the most time to develop. This would open up the double move and all the seam routes.
13. I think they need to run more screens, like traditional screens. Not the tunnel screen but the QB bailing back and sucking in the defensive ends who just whipped the tackles kind of screen. We can manufacture a numbers advantage with this, and while it could get blown up, atleast it plants the seed to the ends that they can find themselves in the wrong kind of highlight if they keep speed rushing wide like that.

Like I said, I am no coach, but I think all of these things can be implemented and while it won't make this offense explosive by any means, it could put us back in the position to atleast find ourselves in manageable third down situations, move the ball more and control time of possession, and maybe get a lead which is where our defense plays its best.

What do you think?
I think you are not a coach.
 
So here we have a quarterback that can’t run, can’t even escape a rush for an extra second; This quarterback is worse than awful as far as pocket presence, and also throws WAY outta bounds on 4th down.

Solid points were made about Padilla but what if he was given more game reps? The guy could at least be given a chance to get into a groove / or not get into a groove.

Why not give Hogan or Labas serious game reps?
North is an apologist who thinks Ferentz/Brian are never wrong, should not be criticized, and anyone who does is an idiot.
 
North is an apologist who thinks Ferentz/Brian are never wrong, should not be criticized, and anyone who does is an idiot.
Yeah, I’ve been aware for quite some time.

I’m just trying to get honest answers with the Hawkeye goggles removed for a minute.

Any player with his hands on the football as often as a quarterback does should be an athlete, not a guy that has a hard time moving. There were waaaay too many opportunities vs Wisconsin for a QB to hit the huge gaps and get positive yards with his feet.

There was a spying LB you say? If the QB is an athlete he’ll many times make the LB miss = huge gain.

We’re so one-dimensional it’s disgusting.
 
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I want to show some of the things that are going on with this offensive line and how that is impacting Petras.

Here in this first image we can see that the right tackle is beaten badly. I am not doing this to call anyone out by name, be mean or embarass anyone, but look at his body position. He has no balance, his feet are nearly crossed up and ready to trip over himself and he is reaching badly, all resulting in him having zero leverage and out of position. Now count the players. There are 6 blockers and only 3 rushers. That means after taking out the quarterback, there are 4 receivers (not counting 15 who is not in any position here to make a play) and 8 defenders. This picture is taken just a hair over 1 second from the snap, there is not a Hawkeye receiver that has even thought about looking back to the ball, Petras is trying to fit it into double coverage, and then right after this pic was taken he was sacked. If you think that Petras should have pocket awareness less than 2.0 seconds post-snap while in max protect and trying to look downfield into double coverage you are crazy. There is no way he was expecting pressure here. Also, isn't it interesting how we have 5 Hawkeyes in the area to block 2 defenders yet the right tackle is left in a 1-on-1 situation?



Now this one. First of all, Petras has just planted his back foot on his dropback about 8 yards deep. This is right at 1.4 seconds post snap. It was so much fun the first time, so lets count again here. I count 3 rushers against 5 offensive lineman blockers. Now, lets look at the receivers. There are 4 receivers out in their routes along with Goodson running a shallow cross. At this point, Petras can't even see Goodson and none of the other 4 receivers are available for a pass. And once again, we have 5 receivers for 8 defenders, nearly double coverage. Petras has no way of knowing that he is about to get pressure from his blindside because we again outnumbering the opponents. Now lets look at the defenders. All of them having their eyes on the ball as this is a zone look across the the field with deep help. I am sorry people but there is nowhere to throw the ball here at this point unless you want to throw it to the other team. Every defender is ready to break on the ball. The only throw here is to 15, but, the middle linebacker is waiting for it and even if he threw it to Goodson here it is a very minimal gain. If Petras had a bit more time, the middle could have been open to the TE or a seam route to the slot would have been available. But guess what? Petras got sacked right after this. And one last thing, lets look at the LT. Completely beat on the outside in a 1-on-1 situation and 2 offensive lineman are left to block nobody. Even if Petras steps up, it will only disrupt the timing of the routes and will allow the safeties to converage on the deep routes. And, for all of those that want a running quarterback, if he pulls the ball down here and runs exactly how many of these linebackers do you think he can beat to get a first down? The linebackers are in better position and closer to the LOS than the quarterback is so that will be a minimal gain at best



Lets do another one. So here, less than 1 second post-snap on 3rd and 4, Petras has just completed a short drop. Petras actually recognized the blitz here and is doing what he thinks is the right thing by throwing into it. But, the corner here is pressing the receiver in a 1-on-1 with inside leverage trying to take away the slant. This is Petras' first read and the right one. But, the left tackle doesn't block anyone nor does Goodson want to even chip the backer as he comes around the edge. What you don't see right after this is that the first guy hits Petras in the mouth about a tenth of a second after this screenshot, but, if it wasn't him it was the other unblocked guy behind him that would have cleaned it up. Petras somehow miraculously gets out of it and throws the ball away. But this play here is really telling because what Petras thought was the right read, which was the right read, was actually the wrong read because if he had looked to the other side of the field he would have had an easy out-route to pick up the first down. It is almost as if Wisconsin knew what the first read was and baited Petras into it. Hmmm....



Are we having fun yet? Lets do another one. So on this one, about 1.5 seconds post-snap Petras is going to get the ball out. He knows he has to because he has to be tired of being mauled by now right? The coaches are tired of it too so they went max protect with 2 TE's along with a RB to max protect. So Petras here has 2 receivers in routes and 16 is clearly double covered and 6 has beaten the corner to the inside but out of frame would be a safety over the top and Petras recognizes this and has to throw to the other side. But one defender has come free and is getting ready to lay the wood on Petras. Luckily here, Petras fires into double coverage because he has to throw it sooner than he wants and 16 drew a PI flag that lead to the touchdown. But hey, atleast 16 and 6 were looking back at the quarterback.



Lets just do one more for shits and giggles. Maybe I just picked the 4 worse plays out of a game and you all think I am a Petras homer. Who knows? But nonetheless, there is a fifth one here. In this play we actually have some numbers because we have 4 receivers out against only 7 defenders this time. This is 1.6 seconds post snap and Petras has set and wants to let it go. Same story here though. Nobody has broken their route yet, and Petras sees the pressure right in his face but probably doesn't (but has to expect by now) the pressure from the edge. He can step up, tuck it and run, whatever, he is going to get sacked here whatever he does. Wisconsin is in great position to defend whatever he does here because again, everybody has their eyes on the ball.



I hope that gives everyone a visual of what is going on with this offense. If there is no time to throw, your offense is going to be crap. I don't care what level of football anybody is playing and I don't care who the quarterback is, the o ain't moving. And I hope by you see from these snippets (and for those inquiring minds there are many many more plays that I could choose from, I just stopped after 5) that there is a lot of blame to go around besides the quarterback. It is not just that the offensive line is bad, it is, but it is how they are bad. Their technique is awful, they don't maintain balance thus have no leverage, and oftentimes you see them not engaging the defender but really looks like they are trying not to. A defensive tackle, end or LB'er will want to CREATE space and the blocker will want to ELIMINATE that space, but we are not doing that at all. These guys may not be the most talented offensive linemen in the world, but, a lot of this has to fall on the position coach to look that bad. Anybody who has played any sport is taught on day one to be in the ready position, to widen your stance, keep your balance, slide your feet and keep your weight over the balls of your feet, blah, blah. But these guys consistently are not doing that. And in many other instances, we have blockers that literally run right past a defender to go block someone else when the person they ran by goes and makes the play. That again has to be coaching. The receivers and route trees are not helping a think either because they have to make themselves an available target. Think whatever you want about Petras, but the guy is standing back there ready to get his head knocked up because the blocking in front of him sucks but nobody is even looking at him to give him a place to throw. I really to feel bad for the guy because who would want to play QB in that situation. I also have to call out the play calling, and by no means am I wanting to contribute to another "Fire BF" campaign, but it is obvious that a lot of these defenses know what is coming. I think one of the Wisconsin d-linemen said as much. That has to get better too.

My goal of this very long post is not to bitch, whine or complain, but explain to everyone why exactly this offense is struggling so badly right now. The good thing is that some of this can be cleaned up. The bad thing is that some of it cannot. This is what it is at this point and if this team wins 10 or 11 games this year it will be a ****ing miracle. Hell, 6 wins is a pretty great accomplishment all by itself.
And refuses to climb the pocket which is another component of this offensive debacle. RT has terrible pass blocking technique on several of the examples.
 
Petras is one of "the" problems. Petras is not "the" problem.
I think that's what most are saying.

It's unfair to put it all on him. An all B1G qb would have significant struggles with this O-line, outside of Linderbaum. BUT, that same all B1G guy would also be making plays happen on his own. Several per game. Because that should be what is expected of a qb at this level. That he makes things happen multiple times in every game when needed.
There is almost no qb in all of college football who consistently gets 3.5 seconds with a clean pocket. To expect that is unrealistic.

There needs to be better O-line protection that holds up longer AND the qb position needs more mobility, be a threat to run and steps up to make plays when things break down.
 
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North is an apologist who thinks Ferentz/Brian are never wrong, should not be criticized, and anyone who does is an idiot.
An "apologist", lol. I've pointed out multiple times with I don't agree with Kirk and Brian on things. I also realize that while I know more about Xs and Os than most on this board, I know only a fraction of what our coaches and hundreds of other P5 coaches know.

That little bit of self awareness lets me not make dumbass proclamations about what our coaches are doing wrong when they're looking at 15 things on every play when I'm looking at 3.
 
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