Foster down to 5
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More to the point of this thread....Does anyone on either side really believe Mr. Foster is going to base his decision on the number of cable subscribers of various sports channels?
Dead on. These non-stop discussions about what Iowa or ISU has that the other doesn't mostly have nothing to do with anything but one fan base bragging about their school, when neither is exactly considered a hot spot for most recruits. If recruits or their parents happen to read this crap, it must be pretty funny.
You cited most valuable teams as those that people watch in a previous post. I cannot find anything more recent than 2016 that goes past top 20, but the Wall Street Journal listed ISU as the 30th most valuable team in 2016 and Iowa as the 33rd most valuable. If being top 20 by your standards means you are watched, why does 30 mean people would rather watch a kids program? Does top 30 not show that ISU draws revenue?
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I think it’s uninteresting dick measuring youngsters invariably take part in...
In a recent ranking of college basketball programs over the last 20 years, ISU was 39 and Iowa was 42. Not much difference despite the sweet 16s.
Really, since 2000, the only thing separating ISU and Iowa is a few Big12 Tournament titles and a handful of players drafted into the NBA (the supermajority of whom don't play meaningful minutes).
When it comes to regular season and NCAA tournament success this millennia, I don't see much of a difference.
There is a HUGE difference between missing the sweet 16 by one basket vs a #2 seed and making the sweet 16 after beating two double digit seeds. HUGE. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
or missing it against the eventual champion Vill. finally someone gets it, go back and look at the seeds they have beaten in the tourney thru the years,,,
FWIW, Sweet 16’s are great. I am not saying otherwise. But it’s sort of a silly measure considering the amount of chance involved with a small sample size.
You and L Wade are right in terms of the “silliness” of measuring a season by how deep you advanced in the tournament. Like it or not though, when people talk about program quality, especially historically, it’s “they made _x_ Sweet Sixteens, _x_ Final Fours, _x_ National Championships, and have won it all _x_ times.” And it’s these conversations which COULD impact the decision of a recruit (Not saying it would with Foster, since I don’t know his situation or what he values)
Losing to Tennessee in the fashion they did may have been more rewarding than beating a couple of double digit seeds to make the Sweet 16. Last year aside, (since the team outperformed any and all expectations) it would be even more rewarding if the Hawks could play their way to a higher seed and not be forced to play top teams in the second round. Chance is a part of it, but so is losing to cellar dwellers in Big Ten play. JMO
ISU has been knocked out by the eventual champ 4 times since 1999. It isn't like Iowa is the only team to have played good teams in the Dance.
Of course it’s not more rewarding than the sweet 16. I just choose to be realistic when evaluating my team.
I’d be interested to hear what you consider realistic. I think it’s fair to say that Iowa has had a couple teams which, realistically, could have played their way to a situation (like you described) where they were facing a like or lower seed in the second round
Don't want to defend ISU, but a big reason that Iowa has lost to high seeds in the dance is that they played themselves into a low seed in the regular season. I want to some sweet 16s or better soon, not some morale victories.
Oh i completely agree- I was just pointing out how much luck is involved. We have a coach and program that has been close...there is risk in change.
ESPNU and ESPNNews both have about 60 MM homes. BTN is on in about 57 MM homes.
Iowa had 60% of their conference games on BTN last year.
To be clear, I’m not suggesting that there should be change. I like Fran’s style of play, his recruiting has improved, and his teams will remain competitive.
Just wish that some of the slides that his better teams have gone through had been avoided, resulting in better seeds in March
I thought that that was what L Wade was getting after in this (see below) post and was trying to be agreeable. It’s possible, or even likely, I misinterpreted or took it out of context. Regardless, I can take the L for that comment. My overarching point is unchanged
How many homes is ESPN+ in?
ISU has 4 conference games on ESPN+ and 1 on the Longhorn Network this season.
https://cyclones.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
@CeMar_Clone .....get in here!!
Tell me more about these games on Pay Per View. How many homes will they reach???
@CeMar_Clone ....I saw these games on ESPN+ may reach as many as 2.5 million homes.
Was KGAN not available???
LOL!!!
You have no idea what you are talking about. @CeMar_Clone assured us this (with 100% certainty, I might add):
These are on the ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU/ESPNews (100% certainty, they are under contract):
18 Big 12 conference games
1-3 Big 12 tourney games
SEC Challenge (Auburn)
Big East Challenge (Seton Hall)
3 games Atlantis tournament
Not to this Hawkeye fan, and I seriously doubt I'm in the minority.
