Founding father James Madison sidelined by woke history in his own home

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Yeah, maybe we shouldn't hold the opinions of people who compromised to view human beings as subservient and 3/5 the value of other human beings as the end all be all.
We currently count Puerto Ricans as zero. Seems we are worse by that measure.
 

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By Mary Kay Linge and Jon Levine

The globalist billionaire who funded the woke transformation of Thomas Jefferson’s Monticello paid for a similar overhaul of James Madison’s house — where the author of the US Constitution has been shoved into a supporting role, while slavery and racism take center stage.

No American flags fly at Montpelier, Madison’s plantation home in rural Virginia, and not a single display focuses on the life and accomplishments of America’s foremost political philosopher, who created our three-branch federal system of government, wrote the Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers, and served two terms as president.

Instead, blindsided tourists are hammered by high-tech exhibits about Madison’s slaves and current racial conflicts, thanks to a $10 million grant from left-leaning philanthropist David M. Rubenstein.

“I was kind of thinking we’d be hearing more about the Constitution,” one baffled dad said when The Post visited the president’s home this week. “But everything here is really about slavery.”

“It’s been inspirational … I guess,” shrugged John from Wisconsin after taking the $35 guided tour.

Reviewers on social media have been more harsh.

“They really miss the mark,” Greg Hancock of Mesa, Ariz. posted last week. “We left disappointed not having learned more about … the creation of the Constitution.”

“The worst part were the gross historical inaccuracies and constant bias exhibited by the tour guide,” complained AlexZ, who visited July 8.

Visitors to Montpelier get to see just three rooms in the sprawling mansion. The estate “made Madison the philosopher, farmer, statesman, and enslaver that he was,” the guide said as The Post’s group entered the home — a line she repeated at the end of her spiel.

Outdoors and in the house’s huge basement, dozens of interactive stations seek to draw a direct line between slavery, the Constitution, and the problems of African Americans today.

“A one hour Critical Race Theory experience disguised as a tour,” groused Mike Lapolla of Tulsa, Okla., after visiting last August.

Hurricane Katrina flooding, the Ferguson riots, incarceration, and more all trace back to slavery, according to a 10-minute multi-screen video.

Another exhibit damns every one of the nation’s first 18 presidents — even those, like John Adams and Abraham Lincoln, who never owned slaves — for having benefited from slavery in some way.

The only in-depth material about the Constitution itself appears in a display that pushes the claim, championed by the controversial 1619 Project, that racism was the driving force behind the entire American political system.

Even the children’s section of the gift shop leans far left, with titles like “Antiracist Baby” by Ibram X. Kendi and “She Persisted” by Chelsea Clinton.

Virginia Rep. Bob Good called the historical rewrite “a deliberate attack on those founding institutions.”

“The left is trying to revise our history and is perpetuating a dishonest narrative,” the Republican said.

But the progressive programming will likely accelerate in the wake of a board battle at the Montpelier Foundation, the nonprofit that runs the estate.

In May, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, which owns the home, forced the board to accept a slate of left-wing activist members in the name of racial equity.

The new members aim to transform Montpelier into “a black history and black rights organization that could care less about James Madison and his legacy,” board member Mary Alexander, a documented descendant of Madison’s slave Paul Jennings, told the Orange County Review.

“There were hundreds of thousands of slave owners,” Alexander said. “But not hundreds of thousands who wrote the Constitution.”

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, who rose to power on parent outcry over critical race theory in public schools, refused to comment on Rubensteins donation — although the two were close allies at the Carlyle Group investment firm, where both made their fortunes.

“The governor believes we should teach all history, including the good and the bad, but firmly believes that we shouldn’t distort it,” said Youngkin spokesperson Macaulay Porter.

“This is part of a larger movement to distort the legacy of the Founders and undermine the principles they put forth,” said Brenda Hafera of the Heritage Foundation’s Simon Center for American Studies.

“If you can undermine the Founders, you create the opportunity for those principles to be replaced by something else,” she said — “something like Critical Race Theory or identity politics.”


Thinking history isn't woke is funny af, bruh.
 

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By Mary Kay Linge and Jon Levine

The globalist billionaire who funded the woke transformation of Thomas Jefferson’s Monticello paid for a similar overhaul of James Madison’s house — where the author of the US Constitution has been shoved into a supporting role, while slavery and racism take center stage.

No American flags fly at Montpelier, Madison’s plantation home in rural Virginia, and not a single display focuses on the life and accomplishments of America’s foremost political philosopher, who created our three-branch federal system of government, wrote the Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers, and served two terms as president.

Instead, blindsided tourists are hammered by high-tech exhibits about Madison’s slaves and current racial conflicts, thanks to a $10 million grant from left-leaning philanthropist David M. Rubenstein.

“I was kind of thinking we’d be hearing more about the Constitution,” one baffled dad said when The Post visited the president’s home this week. “But everything here is really about slavery.”

“It’s been inspirational … I guess,” shrugged John from Wisconsin after taking the $35 guided tour.

Reviewers on social media have been more harsh.

“They really miss the mark,” Greg Hancock of Mesa, Ariz. posted last week. “We left disappointed not having learned more about … the creation of the Constitution.”

“The worst part were the gross historical inaccuracies and constant bias exhibited by the tour guide,” complained AlexZ, who visited July 8.

Visitors to Montpelier get to see just three rooms in the sprawling mansion. The estate “made Madison the philosopher, farmer, statesman, and enslaver that he was,” the guide said as The Post’s group entered the home — a line she repeated at the end of her spiel.

Outdoors and in the house’s huge basement, dozens of interactive stations seek to draw a direct line between slavery, the Constitution, and the problems of African Americans today.

“A one hour Critical Race Theory experience disguised as a tour,” groused Mike Lapolla of Tulsa, Okla., after visiting last August.

Hurricane Katrina flooding, the Ferguson riots, incarceration, and more all trace back to slavery, according to a 10-minute multi-screen video.

Another exhibit damns every one of the nation’s first 18 presidents — even those, like John Adams and Abraham Lincoln, who never owned slaves — for having benefited from slavery in some way.

The only in-depth material about the Constitution itself appears in a display that pushes the claim, championed by the controversial 1619 Project, that racism was the driving force behind the entire American political system.

Even the children’s section of the gift shop leans far left, with titles like “Antiracist Baby” by Ibram X. Kendi and “She Persisted” by Chelsea Clinton.

Virginia Rep. Bob Good called the historical rewrite “a deliberate attack on those founding institutions.”

“The left is trying to revise our history and is perpetuating a dishonest narrative,” the Republican said.

But the progressive programming will likely accelerate in the wake of a board battle at the Montpelier Foundation, the nonprofit that runs the estate.

In May, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, which owns the home, forced the board to accept a slate of left-wing activist members in the name of racial equity.

The new members aim to transform Montpelier into “a black history and black rights organization that could care less about James Madison and his legacy,” board member Mary Alexander, a documented descendant of Madison’s slave Paul Jennings, told the Orange County Review.

“There were hundreds of thousands of slave owners,” Alexander said. “But not hundreds of thousands who wrote the Constitution.”

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, who rose to power on parent outcry over critical race theory in public schools, refused to comment on Rubensteins donation — although the two were close allies at the Carlyle Group investment firm, where both made their fortunes.

“The governor believes we should teach all history, including the good and the bad, but firmly believes that we shouldn’t distort it,” said Youngkin spokesperson Macaulay Porter.

“This is part of a larger movement to distort the legacy of the Founders and undermine the principles they put forth,” said Brenda Hafera of the Heritage Foundation’s Simon Center for American Studies.

“If you can undermine the Founders, you create the opportunity for those principles to be replaced by something else,” she said — “something like Critical Race Theory or identity politics.”


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The Freguson riots have a connection to slavery? Come on mnole, do you really believe that?

A dirt bag strong-arm robber attacked a cop. Then a false narrative was created, fanned and fueled by leftists at the highest levels. The result was riots and a city being ravaged.

What the f*%k does James Madison have to do with that?
Well, Missouri was a slave state. In slave states, police forces grew from slave patrols, groups of "well regulated militia" white racists would oppress black people in every imaginable way, and those slave patrols also grew into the KKK, and the KKK and white supremacy to this day is institutionalized in police forces.

Here is how a national policing museum itself describes the situation.


And the STL area is among the most segregated urban areas in the country, and the Ferguson police had been notorious for decades with how they treated blacks.

And the FBI itself for DECADES has known and (internally) warned about the infiltration of police across the country by white supremacists and white nationalists and fascists.

Here is a 2006 FBI report on the subject that only was released after the US Congress made it public.


This is no false narrative. This is history. Which, if people were honest and man enough to be responsible enough to want to understand, would recognize. But it's easier to lash out like an ignorant child.

Just because someone like Madison is "conflicted" about slavery, or just because Jefferson enjoys owning slaves enough to rape enslaved women and feels like slavery might be an unfortunate situation, doesn't give them a pass. Or for you, does it? For you, should we be lionizing these white supremacists from our past, who have huge god-like memorials in DC? So we don't have anyone else we could celebrate more?

And because it makes white supremacists and the christian jihadists uncomfortable to learn about the truth, we need to seek "balance" in libraries in Vinton because there are books about LGBTQ+ people on the shelves, along with thousands of other books? What is it about christian fascists and white supremacists that they just cant handle the truth? Why so fragile and paranoid? Why so weak and afraid?
 

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Well, Missouri was a slave state. In slave states, police forces grew from slave patrols, groups of "well regulated militia" white racists would oppress black people in every imaginable way, and those slave patrols also grew into the KKK, and the KKK and white supremacy to this day is institutionalized in police forces.

Here is how a national policing museum itself describes the situation.


And the STL area is among the most segregated urban areas in the country, and the Ferguson police had been notorious for decades with how they treated blacks.

And the FBI itself for DECADES has known and (internally) warned about the infiltration of police across the country by white supremacists and white nationalists and fascists.

Here is a 2006 FBI report on the subject that only was released after the US Congress made it public.


This is no false narrative. This is history. Which, if people were honest and man enough to be responsible enough to want to understand, would recognize. But it's easier to lash out like an ignorant child.

Just because someone like Madison is "conflicted" about slavery, or just because Jefferson enjoys owning slaves enough to rape enslaved women and feels like slavery might be an unfortunate situation, doesn't give them a pass. Or for you, does it? For you, should we be lionizing these white supremacists from our past, who have huge god-like memorials in DC? So we don't have anyone else we could celebrate more?

And because it makes white supremacists and the christian jihadists uncomfortable to learn about the truth, we need to seek "balance" in libraries in Vinton because there are books about LGBTQ+ people on the shelves, along with thousands of other books? What is it about christian fascists and white supremacists that they just cant handle the truth? Why so fragile and paranoid? Why so weak and afraid?

That is some serious deflection from my criticism of the Ferguson false narrative being part of the James Madison tour.
 
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That wrote the constitution?
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Which is why I am a staunch supporter of either adding PR as a state or allowing their independence as the people of PR vote.
Do you think the slaves would have wanted to be counted as a full person? I doubt it, as that would have given the southern states more representation in Congress and allowed them more power to keep slavery in place.
 
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So having done a bit of sleuthing, I came across this.


Sadly, this sounds like a real cluster****. And the loss of Hickok, who I know personally, is truly a loss. Some of the other pressers I’ve seen are loaded with incomprehensible gobbledegook which is cause for pessimism quite frankly.

to be sure, the story of the slaves at places like this is an important part of the story. While I’m not usually one to dabble in neo Marxism, the great things that the likes of Jefferson, Madison, and Washington did were premised on a structure of leisure based on slave labor which we all agree is immoral to modern eyes. But to be fair, the great things they did are still great things, and frankly, the bigger part of the story by a long, long way in the context of these particular estates.

setting aside the issues of race, the story has an instinctual feel akin to what happened to the Albert Barnes collection per art of the steal.
 

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By Mary Kay Linge and Jon Levine

The globalist billionaire who funded the woke transformation of Thomas Jefferson’s Monticello paid for a similar overhaul of James Madison’s house — where the author of the US Constitution has been shoved into a supporting role, while slavery and racism take center stage.

No American flags fly at Montpelier, Madison’s plantation home in rural Virginia, and not a single display focuses on the life and accomplishments of America’s foremost political philosopher, who created our three-branch federal system of government, wrote the Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers, and served two terms as president.

Instead, blindsided tourists are hammered by high-tech exhibits about Madison’s slaves and current racial conflicts, thanks to a $10 million grant from left-leaning philanthropist David M. Rubenstein.

“I was kind of thinking we’d be hearing more about the Constitution,” one baffled dad said when The Post visited the president’s home this week. “But everything here is really about slavery.”

“It’s been inspirational … I guess,” shrugged John from Wisconsin after taking the $35 guided tour.

Reviewers on social media have been more harsh.

“They really miss the mark,” Greg Hancock of Mesa, Ariz. posted last week. “We left disappointed not having learned more about … the creation of the Constitution.”

“The worst part were the gross historical inaccuracies and constant bias exhibited by the tour guide,” complained AlexZ, who visited July 8.

Visitors to Montpelier get to see just three rooms in the sprawling mansion. The estate “made Madison the philosopher, farmer, statesman, and enslaver that he was,” the guide said as The Post’s group entered the home — a line she repeated at the end of her spiel.

Outdoors and in the house’s huge basement, dozens of interactive stations seek to draw a direct line between slavery, the Constitution, and the problems of African Americans today.

“A one hour Critical Race Theory experience disguised as a tour,” groused Mike Lapolla of Tulsa, Okla., after visiting last August.

Hurricane Katrina flooding, the Ferguson riots, incarceration, and more all trace back to slavery, according to a 10-minute multi-screen video.

Another exhibit damns every one of the nation’s first 18 presidents — even those, like John Adams and Abraham Lincoln, who never owned slaves — for having benefited from slavery in some way.

The only in-depth material about the Constitution itself appears in a display that pushes the claim, championed by the controversial 1619 Project, that racism was the driving force behind the entire American political system.

Even the children’s section of the gift shop leans far left, with titles like “Antiracist Baby” by Ibram X. Kendi and “She Persisted” by Chelsea Clinton.

Virginia Rep. Bob Good called the historical rewrite “a deliberate attack on those founding institutions.”

“The left is trying to revise our history and is perpetuating a dishonest narrative,” the Republican said.

But the progressive programming will likely accelerate in the wake of a board battle at the Montpelier Foundation, the nonprofit that runs the estate.

In May, the National Trust for Historic Preservation, which owns the home, forced the board to accept a slate of left-wing activist members in the name of racial equity.

The new members aim to transform Montpelier into “a black history and black rights organization that could care less about James Madison and his legacy,” board member Mary Alexander, a documented descendant of Madison’s slave Paul Jennings, told the Orange County Review.

“There were hundreds of thousands of slave owners,” Alexander said. “But not hundreds of thousands who wrote the Constitution.”

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, who rose to power on parent outcry over critical race theory in public schools, refused to comment on Rubensteins donation — although the two were close allies at the Carlyle Group investment firm, where both made their fortunes.

“The governor believes we should teach all history, including the good and the bad, but firmly believes that we shouldn’t distort it,” said Youngkin spokesperson Macaulay Porter.

“This is part of a larger movement to distort the legacy of the Founders and undermine the principles they put forth,” said Brenda Hafera of the Heritage Foundation’s Simon Center for American Studies.

“If you can undermine the Founders, you create the opportunity for those principles to be replaced by something else,” she said — “something like Critical Race Theory or identity politics.”


Can't handle the whole story, eh? You can hide slavery and Jim Crow, but you can't justify them. Neither can this apologist from the Heritage Foundation.
 

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So having done a bit of sleuthing, I came across this.


Sadly, this sounds like a real cluster****. And the loss of Hickok, who I know personally, is truly a loss. Some of the other pressers I’ve seen are loaded with incomprehensible gobbledegook which is cause for pessimism quite frankly.

to be sure, the story of the slaves at places like this is an important part of the story. While I’m not usually one to dabble in neo Marxism, the great things that the likes of Jefferson, Madison, and Washington did were premised on a structure of leisure based on slave labor which we all agree is immoral to modern eyes. But to be fair, the great things they did are still great things, and frankly, the bigger part of the story by a long, long way in the context of these particular estates.

setting aside the issues of race, the story has an instinctual feel akin to what happened to the Albert Barnes collection per art of the steal.
That isn't "neo-Marxism." That's just reality. We're along way from putting everything in context, and we will stay that way as long as an honest look at history is regarded as Neo-marxist. History tends to be written by the victors, but the whole story has a far greater group of authors. That's not to minimize the care and professionalism that so many of our historians and archivists have demonstrated over the last 50 years.
 
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Madison owned more than 100 enslaved people, inherited from his father, and he enlarged the plantation, buying more enslaved people. His wealth and power was built on the whipped and bent backs of black enslaved people. As was Jefferson's and Washington's. And Washington, to top that off, was a leading land surveyer, calling in "well regulated militias" to commit genocide, as he was called by indigenous peoples as "the village destroyer". Get your heads around that.

I was taught in gradeschool to worship these people. I barely learned anything real about them other than cherry trees and wooden teeth and battles and marble statues. That's propaganda, nothing else.

I want the WHOLE story, not some whitewashed white supremacist christian fascist manifest destiny genocidal bullshit.

The museum has a Center for the Constitution too, a document that was itself a compromise to accommodate, enable, and expand slavery. The US Senate exists as it does - a ridiculous legislative body that gives tiny population states preposterous overrepresention versus huge states. That Wyoming has as many senators as California (FIFTY TIMES the population as wyoming), and that red states can enforce minority rule is killing democracy itself, and all that was an accommodation to smaller population "slave states".

The Constitution isn't a divine document. It's a terrible compromise and concession to slavery.

Newsflash: the bible isn't literally true. The constitution isn't the word of god. Grow the f*** up and stop the childish blind worship of dead old men.

If I entered an operating theater and a doctor told me that she'd use a medical textbook from the 18th century to perform heart surgery, I'd promptly ask her for a cyanide pill. Why we think that something written almost 250 years ago serves us well today is pure lunacy.
You are so wrong it is amazing. The constitution and the 3/5 compromise are why slavery was ended. That YOU don't get that isn't surprising. The level of brainwashing that must have happened to you is stunning
 

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I think everybody is missing on this one.

The implication, from the article, is that the "James Madison experience" has been modified in such a way that it's largely become about slavery and his role-therein. Not James Madison's unique contributions to US history.... which is what you might expect when you show up for the James Madison experience.

(unfortunately, his contributions to the maintenance of slavery and oppression in America probably weren't a very unique contribution)

@NorthernHawkeye, nor anybody else in this thread is saying we shouldn't have plantation tours or exhibits and information about slavery. Or, even, that we ought to ignore important US historical figures participation in oppression.

Where the argument on this one goes back to: what stories are most important to tell about historic US figure X? What should the balance of information look like? You can screw it up any number of ways.

Now all that said... maybe the article is misleading, maybe certain important context is being left out. I don't have time to research. So maybe the picture they're painting isn't too accurate. That could be, it could be a shit take.
This is a pretty good take. You can tell both stories at the same time
 

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Yeah, maybe we shouldn't hold the opinions of people who compromised to view human beings as subservient and 3/5 the value of other human beings as the end all be all.
You are a moron. The 3/5 compromise is the only reason the federal government wasn't dominated by the south. If the slave owners had gotten their way the slaves would have counted as a full vote but represented by their slave owners. With that kind of power nothing would have stopped the south and slavery. Nothing.

Twits like you that twist history need to stop
 

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That isn't "neo-Marxism." That's just reality. We're along way from putting everything in context, and we will stay that way as long as an honest look at history is regarded as Neo-marxist. History tends to be written by the victors, but the whole story has a far greater group of authors. That's not to minimize the care and professionalism that so many of our historians and archivists have demonstrated over the last 50 years.
Sigh. The idea of economic superstructures begetting and enabling social forms is very very much a neo Marxist concept.

and one that happens to be right in this particular context.
 
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Slavery was, and still is, an abhorrent system that has existed since the dawn of time in every part of the world. (The left in this country talk more about American slavery that happened 200 years ago than the slavery that China is practicing today.) Was it wrong, of course but my point is, it was legal and practiced in many parts of America at the time and in many other places around the world. We are talking about the 18th century. Everyone and every society have sins in their past. Why the effort to dwell on slavery now? Was it abolished? Was it being debated at the time? It is very brave of you to point out the faults and sins of people that lived over 200 years ago. Maybe this is more an issue to try and disgrace America so leftists like you can justify to yourself and others why we should be ashamed of our country and need to scrape it's founding principles.

What if 200 years from now people dwell on the lefts mortal sin of abortion? Just like slavery there are those that support it and those that despise it.
 

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Sigh. The idea of economic superstructures begetting and enabling social forms is very very much a neo Marxist concept.

and one that happens to be right in this particular context.
Sigh, again. That's your projection, or should I say construction. You don't have to support the Frankfurt School ideas to see that slavery enabled many things, and disabled more. I 'm so tired of right wingers looking for marxist ideas under every rug.
 
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Do you think the slaves would have wanted to be counted as a full person? I doubt it, as that would have given the southern states more representation in Congress and allowed them more power to keep slavery in place.
Wrong. They would have wanted full voting rights, and for their voice to be represented equally in the legislature, as is done in every single other democracy in the world.

the US Senate is a slavery concession, giving wildly disproportionate voice to small population states, which, then, were southern slave-holding states, and now, almost entirely are red states, which, as it happens, have less minorities and are more white supremacist than blue states. So when we say that there is such a thing as "structural racism", look no further than the US Senate, where a state like wyoming's voters have more than 50 times the voice as voters in california, and california's economy, as with most blue states, subsidizes the economies of red states through federal dollars. it's total BS.

Oh, and what legislative body approves nominations for the SCOTUS again? How is it that we can have a SCOTUS with 6 of 9 members christian fascists, and 6 of 9 catholics? How so ridiculously unrepresentative?

US Senate. The body that was created to enable southern slave states to have outsized minority rule, veto power, essentially, over the USA.

the US senate was designed to be an institution in which the actual voice of the people dies, where elites can have veto power over the majority, and with its ridiculous "traditions" like filibustering, there is no chance for any real progress. as the corporations want it. they want government to be nonfunctional and the people to be caught up in culture wars so that they can control it all.

So long as we have people who worship the constitution, so long as we have the US Senate, we do not have a democracy.
 
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You are a moron. The 3/5 compromise is the only reason the federal government wasn't dominated by the south. If the slave owners had gotten their way the slaves would have counted as a full vote but represented by their slave owners. With that kind of power nothing would have stopped the south and slavery. Nothing.

Twits like you that twist history need to stop
Good argumentation there, kind sir. Effective middle-school use of insults.

the 3/5 rule only worked for the house of reps. Every state got 2 senators. Need both houses to make laws. Southern states used the white supremacist US constitution - through the US Senate - to wield their power. And that the states had considerable power themselves in the union also allowed very different legal and judicial and governmental systems from one state to another, as we see today, watching the united states fall apart...

it ALL is a legacy of compromises for slavery.
 

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You are a moron. The 3/5 compromise is the only reason the federal government wasn't dominated by the south. If the slave owners had gotten their way the slaves would have counted as a full vote but represented by their slave owners. With that kind of power nothing would have stopped the south and slavery. Nothing.

Twits like you that twist history need to stop
LOL. You need to look at the census from 1860. You could count the full population of the South and still be nowhere near the North. Lincoln won by more than 100 electoral votes.

Immigration killed the South’s political control, which existed at the start of the Union. Four of the first five presidents were from Virginia.
 

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Wrong. They would have wanted full voting rights, and for their voice to be represented equally in the legislature, as is done in every single other democracy in the world.

the US Senate is a slavery concession, giving wildly disproportionate voice to small population states, which, then, were southern slave-holding states, and now, almost entirely are red states, which, as it happens, have less minorities and are more white supremacist than blue states. So when we say that there is such a thing as "structural racism", look no further than the US Senate, where a state like wyoming's voters have more than 50 times the voice as voters in california, and california's economy, as with most blue states, subsidizes the economies of red states through federal dollars. it's total BS.

Oh, and what legislative body approves nominations for the SCOTUS again? How is it that we can have a SCOTUS with 6 of 9 members christian fascists, and 6 of 9 catholics? How so ridiculously unrepresentative?

US Senate. The body that was created to enable southern slave states to have outsized minority rule, veto power, essentially, over the USA.

the US senate was designed to be an institution in which the actual voice of the people dies, where elites can have veto power over the majority, and with its ridiculous "traditions" like filibustering, there is no chance for any real progress. as the corporations want it. they want government to be nonfunctional and the people to be caught up in culture wars so that they can control it all.

So long as we have people who worship the constitution, so long as we have the US Senate, we do not have a democracy.
That’s a lot of words to completely ignore what exactly the 3/5 compromise was actually about. And that was determining the population to determine how much representatives each state got in the House. Anything you’re talking about other than that has nothing to do with my point. Of course they wanted equality, rights, voting privileges, etc. But when it came to the South having more or less power…less was definitely more.
 
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LOL. You need to look at the census from 1860. You could count the full population of the South and still be nowhere near the North. Lincoln won by more than 100 electoral votes.

Immigration killed the South’s political control, which existed at the start of the Union. Four of the first five presidents were from Virginia.
Good lord you are dense. If slaves were counted for representation purposes as the south wanted what do you think would happen genius? Why is it the south wanted slaves counted as one and the north wanted slaves counted as zero and they settled on 3/5? Was the south confused or were they really humanitarians at heart?

Stop being a dunce
 

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Aww. I'm so sorry your experience was so much easier. Maybe you need to go to the Noah's Ark museum in Kentucky to see how the dinosaurs frolicked with lilly white cave people in the years just after the earth was created 6,000 years ago? Because the bible tells me so...

Who's hostile? People like Washington and Jefferson and Madison who owned slaves and organized genocides.

Maybe you like your Aunt Jemima syrupy sick whitewashed "history" better? Easier that way. White people are so eager to forget and wash their hands of actual history, actual facts.
Trying to steel the triggered and unhinged award from Chis, I see.

You have my vote. Kudos.