March 17 2020
(in the April 3 2020 issue)
Fourth Pfizer Dose Slashed Risk of Catching Omicron in Study
- Thread starter Kenneth Griffin
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March 17 2020
(in the April 3 2020 issue)
UPDATE: My Nurse Sister in Law went into anaphylactic shock this morning during vaccination
I’m confident that we are not getting the completely accurate story here.
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Joe, you were wrong about Covid from the start. Yet you still double down.
Even after the CDC has admitted the response was a disaster. You are incapable of reason.
Even after the CDC has admitted the response was a disaster. You are incapable of reason.
So why are we shifting the discussion here, when your claim was "no one else but me said it would be endemic"?
You got your ass handed to you (again) here, didn't you?
Why did you put that in quotes when I never said that? Intentionally manipulative and dishonest at best.
It's what you are claiming here. "No one's been saying this"
Only I posted a link for you from WEEKS into the US pandemic stating the OPPOSITE.
And guess what? Flu is "endemic", yet when we have severe variants pop up, those STILL create "flu pandemics". 1918, 1957, 1968, 2009
lol negative efficacy... also if you are that afraid of myocarditis im guessing you hide in your basement all the time.
I posted "a year ago" it was endemic.
Scholarly articles posted in early 2020 that healthcare workers were preparing for it to be "endemic".
Covid IS endemic now; but we will STILL have future Covid AND Flu "pandemics", when a severe and highly contagious strain hits. You appear to have very limited understanding of what those terms actually mean.
It's EXACTLY what you've been implying.
Now that your claims have been fully debunked, you're going to run off onto another topic.
It is not. I never claimed to be the only one, or the first. I was saying it here early on, and did not get much agreement on this board for sure.
You made up a quote, got busted on it, and are now trying to spin your way out of it.
Now, I am going to depart. Not because I'm going to run off to another topic. But, because I've got some things to do.
I posted it a year ago.
And, AGAIN: Influenza, as an illness, has been ENDEMIC for centuries. There are STILL pandemic strains that show up and we call them pandemics due to the higher disease risks (mortality) and higher spread.
This means that even though Covid is "endemic", we can STILL HAVE another Covid pandemic outbreak of a bad strain.
Pretty amazing, eh?
"I've been telling people for a LONG TIME that it's endemic. BUT, you MIGHT NOT GET IT."
Sadly, too many people don't realize that things like polio are "endemic", too. And they "skip" the vaccines out of fear the vaccines are "bad for you". That guy in upstate NY is paralyzed now because of this kind of idiocy.
Easy to toss up random charts, with ZERO citation, ain't it?
Here's the source.
And he says your anti-vax buddy is a LIAR
Vaccines didn’t cause increase in deaths and life insurance payouts
As U.S. life insurance companies have reported a surge in deaths among their customers amid the coronavirus pandemic, online blogs and social media posts are falsely attributing the deaths to COVID-19 vaccines “More preliminary evidence that the vaccines have led to a spike in deaths,” reads the hea
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The Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report is a weekly epidemiological digest for the United States published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It was originally established as Weekly Health Index in 1930, changing its title to Weekly Mortality Index in 1941 and Morbidity and Mortality in 1952.Wikipedia
Your buddy didn't post direct data from the CDC site.
The chart is NOT attributed anywhere.
If there's data corresponding to his unattributed chart, then link it.
The Anti-vaxxers are NOTORIUS for pushing incorrect data, and data out of context.
One whopper I debunked YEARS ago, they used UK data to claim measles had already dropped BEFORE the vaccine was used in the US. But the US data clearly showed the opposite - only by LYING with data from another VACCINATED population could they push their tripe.
Wow. Let's use the ole Full Metal Jacket line of "How tall are you? I didn't know they could stack shit that high". I love how you tout your meta with "quality RCTs" (which those RCT's were NOT, just check out the China one, total woof!) but don't deny what the actual results of the RCT's were. LOL!! I already know meta's are higher quality of evidence dummy, which is why I find it funny that you ripped the 2 IVM metas. If garbage in and garbage out is your argument, you picked an excellent meta as an example!Ohh boy soo much to unpack here and def game me a laugh .... it really goes to show the #dunningkruger effect in full force....lets just unpack your post ... i have 15 min before I need to get going.
Lol the CYA from the NIH.... liver enzymes may go up....but do you know what goes up in viral infections?? I'll save you the time, its AST/ALTs.
As for them listing renal/Liver failure. The direct quote "Drug vehicle is SBECD, which has been associated with renal and liver toxicity." I hope you arent basing your renal failure on this part. SBECD can cause liver/renal and other issues....but at doses much much higher and longer than what would be given with RDV. SBECD isn't something new to manage. For a 5-10 day course there is no risk of accumulation to occur.
Continue to educate yourself
Evaluation of sulfobutylether-β-cyclodextrin (SBECD) accumulation and voriconazole pharmacokinetics in critically ill patients undergoing continuous renal replacement therapy - Critical Care
Introduction Intravenous (IV) voriconazole is not recommended in patients with creatinine clearance <50 ml/min to avoid potentially toxic accumulation of sulfobutylether-β-cyclodextrin (SBECD). The purpose of this study was to evaluate the pharmacokinetics of SBECD, voriconazole, and...ccforum.biomedcentral.com
What were those rates in control group?? ohh no control group...and all the adverse events have in the vent group?? Well here is something else for you to learn. Ppl on vents tend to have have bad outcomes including but not limited to organ injury....tends to happen right after vent as well...you know since ppl usually are pretty hypoxic prior to vent .... and organs being hypo perfused is not a good outcome. Take it one step further and these patients also tend to need pressor support as well....well that pressure support can cause the arteries in the kidney to "clamp" down and thus cause more AKI
Continue to educate yourself
Ventilator Induced Kidney Injury: Are novel biomarkers the key to prevention?
Mechanical ventilation is associated with significant increases in the risk of acute kidney injury (AKI). The rate of AKI due to mechanical ventilation and the associated mortality remain unacceptably high. Preventative and therapeutic strategies are ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A better question is why the WHO sat on a trial for >1 .... that showed decreased mortality...
lol "studies" Its a computer search looking key words...using a data system .... no control group what so ever and pulling certain terms.... yeah one could reasonably say they need to look at this data in a RCT to see if holds up but only a true #dunningkruger would think this is a gotcha moment.
In true #dunningkruger fashion you want to compare a retrospective/observational cohort to a meta-analysis (filled with quality RCTs)?? Yes that data should lead you to want to complete a RCT but to say it has any meaning against RCT and specifically a meta-analaysis??? Thats not how it work....
without even getting into your brand of crazy and going off the rails here...but...lets just "pretend" everything you said is true (which so far nothing you have said is true)...but lets pretend...how does this have any effect on the data the meta-analysis showed?? well it doesn't...and doesn't change results of the data
You do realize in all your dunningkruger glory that meta-analysis are superior to RCT ..... well as long as they are conducted correctly and use good studies to make up the meta... if you fill a meta with crap studies ...you will get crap results which we can look at later.
Its not like they are hiding that they funded it....but maybe your should look up the Idaho VA home and see the logical progession to why they wanted fund this trial. You know its ok for a drug company to do a trial right?? Especially if its clearly known.... can you tell me the biases them funding the trial created??
again a meta-analysis can show benefit comprised from only studies that showed none...and would be considered higher quality evidence than any of those RCTs that comprise the meta. At this time you will need to explain that the quality of evidence used in the meta is not good .... otherwise using data from RCTs in the meta against the meta is a sure fire #krugerdunning move.
fill a meta with crap...and you get crap in return...but here is another recently published gem
Lol, or one could say without remdesivir there would have been much more deaths..... a #dunningkruger statement at its finest.
I know we know this...but i dont think you know how to read and understand studies well....
ohh by all means please tell use when the viremic stage completely ends and is all inflammatory stage.... you understand they overlap for quite a bit?? Like pry why the last 2 meta-analysis have showed remdesivr benefit prior to vent....also never used in vent patients ... and very few ppl i know have either...maybe during the compassionate use days but its not like it was wide spread.
I have always advocated for early treatment you know like the vaccine...wearing a mask and trying to get into better shape/health
No, you arent answering anymore because you are truly an idiot that thinks they know something of a subject when you clearly don't. you are the poster child for #dunningkruger
That was so fun to read, thanks for the laugh especially your mask/vax line! I agree, I think we are done here because what you wrote was so entirely pathetic, I can't possibly believe you wrote it truthfully. What's also entirely funny is that you think what I wrote about Fauci and Baric wasn't true. That one doesn't even take science to figure out yet you are woefully uneducated. Dunning Krueger in full effect!
LOL .... god i shouldn't be surprised by your stupidity but here we are.... first can you explain why the "china" one is soo bad?? but since i know you have no understanding of how to read ......you realize the "china" study favors the control?? so if we remove it because in your #dunningkruger opinion its a bad study the meta will more heavily favor remdesivir....
this is how we know your #dunningkruger is full going full retard...there is nothing to deny it happens all the time when you add in some favorable and less than favorable studies and you can find a significance/superiority/inferiority... thats why metas are better than RCTs....which we all know you didn't know till you googled it today
because they were garbage and the garbage studies provided most to the IVM .... take those crappy studies out and it greatly favors the control.... now you are complaining about adding a study that favors the control ...so we can take it out and have greater significance for RDV... talk about going full retard again.
well if any one but your dumbass wrote it i might believe it.... but again even if its true how does that change the evidence in the meta??
i cant wait for the next dumb unfounded thing you type up
@Joes Place
My 13 year old has long covid (I think). She hasn't had the covid vaccine yet.
What shot do you recommend? Her hips don't work so well and she is losing her eyesight. She also sheds a lot.
Thanks in advance!
My 13 year old has long covid (I think). She hasn't had the covid vaccine yet.
What shot do you recommend? Her hips don't work so well and she is losing her eyesight. She also sheds a lot.
Thanks in advance!
A brutal indictment of covid crimes.
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And some other conflicting (with Joes Place) studies
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356245
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/355146
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220615192108.htm
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And without attribution on the age groups, your graphic is meaningless.
Those 65 and over are >95% vaccinated, and have the weakest immune systems.
Meanwhile, Israeli Health Ministry data shows that in the older population (those over the age of 60), having submitted to more COVID shots often correlates to a greater likelihood of becoming infected with COVID.
Again: An age-bias in the data, unaccounted for.
Why do all your sources (Israel National News) show up as "Medium reliability" for fact checks?
And some other conflicting (with Joes Place) studies
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356245
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/355146
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220615192108.htm
Weird.
And some other conflicting (with Joes Place) studies
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356245
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/355146
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220615192108.htm
The combination of prior, full vaccination and prior infection was maximally protective: Individuals with prior infection and three doses of either mRNA vaccine were, overall, nearly 80 percent protected from symptomatic infection during the Omicron wave.
And some other conflicting (with Joes Place) studies
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356245
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/355146
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220615192108.htm
With a 98% vaccination rate in NSW, why isn't there a massive die-off from non-Covid health issues?
This is what you and your buddy have been touting here...
And some other conflicting (with Joes Place) studies
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356245
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/355146
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220615192108.htm
YEP. JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU: IT IS 80 and 90 YEAR OLDS WHO ACCOUNT FOR NEARLY ALL OF THOSE BREAKOUT CASES.
Instead of being DEAD, they are getting mild Covid
Microsoft Power BI
Nice to see data for a change that doesn’t lump the completely unvaxxed in with partially vaxxed.
And some other conflicting (with Joes Place) studies
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356245
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/355146
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220615192108.htm
Nice to see you're incapable (again) of looking at the age stratification of the data, where it's almost ALL 70-100 year olds getting Covid after vaccinations.
And the weird thing now is they are SURVIVING it!!!
Lockdown effects feared to be killing more people than Covid
Unexplained excess deaths outstrip those from virus as medics call figures ‘terrifying’
www.telegraph.co.uk
“Terrifying”
Are they sure it’s the lockdown, though?
It's actually quality data because it's comprehensive based on each dose.
No; I linked YOUR dataset. That is exactly what it shows - nearly ALL the breakthrough vaccinated cases are people >70 years old.
You want a link to what Australia's Health Dept says about vaccines? (HINT: They fully support them, and consider them SAFE and EFFECTIVE)
Qatar Omicron-wave study shows slow decline of natural immunity, rapid decline of vaccine immunity
A recent Pfizer or Moderna mRNA-vaccine booster provided good but temporary protection against infection by the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant, according to a new study.www.sciencedaily.com
"These findings demonstrate the benefits of vaccinating those with prior infection for optimal protection against the Omicron variant," said Dr. Abu-Raddad.
