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France + UK + Italy (172M) combine for more new Covid-19 cases yesterday than US (328M)

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HR Heisman
Mar 8, 2010
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US = 91,530 (328m pop)
Euro Trio = 98,043 (172m pop)


Thoughts:

1. Of course you have the issue of unreported cases, testing numbers, and cycles of daily variation in reporting... however...

2. These numbers lead you to believe that parts of Europe are doing worse or around "as bad" as the US currently.

3. These numbers indicate what most epidemiologists have been preaching all along; the virus is going to keep widely circulating until herd immunity slows it down and eventually stops it. (which can be reached via vaccine)

4. More and more, it seems East Asian countries were/are the exception.

5. Given the nature of the virus, longevity of effort in thwarting its advances are called into question. Efforts to thwart the virus are strongly affected by governance and culture.

6. The US in culture and governance is much more similar to Western Europe than East Asia.

7. The strong resurgence in Europe calls into question what we might reasonably expect of the US. Given our modes of governance and cultures, could Western type Countries be quite a bit more prone to this sort of problem? Probably.

8. This doesn't alleviate criticism of initial handling of the pandemic by the US, but rather, sheds light on what to reasonably expect given "what we are."

9. I argued months back that it might be so that while Europe recovered from their opening bout better than the US, they would soon be struggling again given the nature of the virus. This was just the opening round match. Covid-19 has many rounds.

10. Given this, the initial US struggles in the opening round may prove to be rather forgettable once all the rounds are completed where Covid-19 is concerned.

11. Winning the opening round matters a lot more if the future rounds are likely to be fortified due to vaccine availability.

12. There is a chance that Europe separates itself from the US again by repeating more stringent measures than the US, similar to initial lockdown efforts. This will be an interesting development to watch. To be noted, the WHO has come out against widespread lockdowns. It remains to be seen if populations can stomach multiple lockdowns. This goes back to 8: what do we reasonably expect?
 
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12. There is a chance that Europe separates itself from the US again by repeating more stringent measures than the US, similar to initial lockdown efforts. This will be an interesting development to watch. To be noted, the WHO has come out against widespread lockdowns. It remains to be seen if populations can stomach multiple lockdowns. This goes back to 8: what do we reasonably expect?
 
This is bad news for the Democrats. The populace knows that no matter what we do, the virus is going to march ahead. Criticize Trump all you want, his handling of the pandemic makes more sense than shutting everything down. The cure cannot be worse than the disease.

Hence, the NY Times saying we need to open our Schools!
 
This is bad news for the Democrats. The populace knows that no matter what we do, the virus is going to march ahead. Criticize Trump all you want, his handling of the pandemic makes more sense than shutting everything down. The cure cannot be worse than the disease.

Hence, the NY Times saying we need to open our Schools!
"The US has 4% of the world’s population but 21% of the global COVID-19-attributed infections and deaths. This column shows that when comparing excess mortality rates, a more robust way of reporting on pandemic deaths, Europe’s cumulative excess mortality rate from March to July is 28% lower than the US rate, contradicting the Trump administration’s claim that Europe’s rate is 33% higher. The US Northeast – the region most comparable with individual European countries – has experienced substantially worse excess mortality than Europe’s worst-affected countries. Had the US kept its excess mortality rate down to the level in Europe, around 57,800 American lives would have been saved. "

https://voxeu.org/article/us-excess-mortality-rate-covid-19-substantially-worse-europe-s
 
This is bad news for the Democrats. The populace knows that no matter what we do, the virus is going to march ahead. Criticize Trump all you want, his handling of the pandemic makes more sense than shutting everything down. The cure cannot be worse than the disease.

Hence, the NY Times saying we need to open our Schools!

Why approach this from a political standpoint? Contrary to your assertion, the majority of the populace does in fact know that certain measures will allow us to control the spread and slow it's march from a wildfire to a manageable brush burn. That's the whole point, there was never an expectation it would go away as a result of mask-wearing and minimizing contact with others. And we can't let up on those measures once we get it tamped down, which is what we have going on right now.

Trump's minimizing of the situation is why everything is blowing up again because we don't have a unifying use of masks and minimizing our interactions with one another. Nothing Trump has done has made any damn sense from a public health or medical science perspective, and you know that to be a fact, but you go right ahead and be a good soldier for him anyway.
 
"The US has 4% of the world’s population but 21% of the global COVID-19-attributed infections and deaths. This column shows that when comparing excess mortality rates, a more robust way of reporting on pandemic deaths, Europe’s cumulative excess mortality rate from March to July is 28% lower than the US rate, contradicting the Trump administration’s claim that Europe’s rate is 33% higher. The US Northeast – the region most comparable with individual European countries – has experienced substantially worse excess mortality than Europe’s worst-affected countries. Had the US kept its excess mortality rate down to the level in Europe, around 57,800 American lives would have been saved. "

https://voxeu.org/article/us-excess-mortality-rate-covid-19-substantially-worse-europe-s

Sure. So when Europe stopped testing and counting things how does that affect these models? Because that is what they did

And excess mortality sure is a fun phrase that means nothing isn't it? We have some extra death over here....get your extra death.
 
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Why approach this from a political standpoint? Contrary to your assertion, the majority of the populace does in fact know that certain measures will allow us to control the spread and slow it's march from a wildfire to a manageable brush burn. That's the whole point, there was never an expectation it would go away as a result of mask-wearing and minimizing contact with others. And we can't let up on those measures once we get it tamped down, which is what we have going on right now.

Trump's minimizing of the situation is why everything is blowing up again because we don't have a unifying use of masks and minimizing our interactions with one another. Nothing Trump has done has made any damn sense from a public health or medical science perspective, and you know that to be a fact, but you go right ahead and be a good soldier for him anyway.

I didn't realize trump was the president of europe.....
 
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Europe is blowing up. I'd like to hear from the epidemiologists. This wasn't supposed to happen.
 
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This is bad news for the Democrats. The populace knows that no matter what we do, the virus is going to march ahead. Criticize Trump all you want, his handling of the pandemic makes more sense than shutting everything down. The cure cannot be worse than the disease.

Hence, the NY Times saying we need to open our Schools!
His handling of downplaying it and lying to the American people which killed tens of thousands made sense? You guys will not stop with your narrative. Keep it up and after we hit a half million deaths I might start agreeing with you. Just relentless with your horseshit.
 
And I honestly thought Covid Kim and Trump were the only people holding us back from having this stopped months ago.

I tell you I am shocked, beyond shocked.

to think the Virus didn’t vanish like a fart in the wind in this other places that were not hamstrung by leaders like Trump and Covid Kim.

can’t wait for Biden’s message of “we must learn to live with virus”. The left will blow their wad and say “that is leadership”. everybody else will say “no shit”
 
Trump's handling would have been problematic even if the pandemic would've claimed all the lives, eventually, that Trump lost via said poor handling.

You evaluate the decision Trump made at the time with the information available at the time.
 
Odd

I was assured by MAGAs that only "deaths" mattered.

7 day running averages:
USA: 827
Spain + France + Italy + Germany: 638

Meanwhile, North and South Dakota have 5.5% and 5.0% infection rates, respectively. More than double most of those Euro countries.
 
Why approach this from a political standpoint? Contrary to your assertion, the majority of the populace does in fact know that certain measures will allow us to control the spread and slow it's march from a wildfire to a manageable brush burn. That's the whole point, there was never an expectation it would go away as a result of mask-wearing and minimizing contact with others. And we can't let up on those measures once we get it tamped down, which is what we have going on right now.

Trump's minimizing of the situation is why everything is blowing up again because we don't have a unifying use of masks and minimizing our interactions with one another. Nothing Trump has done has made any damn sense from a public health or medical science perspective, and you know that to be a fact, but you go right ahead and be a good soldier for him anyway.
Trump has always wanted this handled at a local level. It makes sense. Rural Montana does not need the same precautions as NY at the same time frame. That is primarily what he has been pushing for.
 
Trump has always wanted this handled at a local level. It makes sense. Rural Montana does not need the same precautions as NY at the same time frame. That is primarily what he has been pushing for.

Undoubtedly that was the plan, too bad that it's not working out so well.
 
Trump has always wanted this handled at a local level.

It COULD HAVE BEEN handled at the local level.
With federal support pushed out to areas, as needed.

BUT, specific guidance needed to be handed out, like full lockdowns whenever positivity rates got above 5%. And/or lockdowns when case numbers ran above certain percentages.

Instead, we got "under control"; "will be down to zero cases"; "just the flu"; "Democratic hoax".
 
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Odd

I was assured by MAGAs that only "deaths" mattered.

7 day running averages:
USA: 827
Spain + France + Italy + Germany: 638

Meanwhile, North and South Dakota have 5.5% and 5.0% infection rates, respectively. More than double most of those Euro countries.
And you’ve also pointed out that deaths lag case numbers.
 
It can't be true. Joesplace said they had it under control. Also, Trump isn't having rallies, and Sturgis people haven't ridden to Europe.
 
And I honestly thought Covid Kim and Trump were the only people holding us back from having this stopped months ago.

I tell you I am shocked, beyond shocked.

to think the Virus didn’t vanish like a fart in the wind in this other places that were not hamstrung by leaders like Trump and Covid Kim.

can’t wait for Biden’s message of “we must learn to live with virus”. The left will blow their wad and say “that is leadership”. everybody else will say “no shit”
Only Trump and his followers said it would disappear quickly. Democrats didn't. So which group was lying their ass off to you and the rest of us? Answer? The people you support and will vote for. You're messed up.
 
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Everyone warned and knew the second wave would be bad since the first was not really in flu season, throughout the world. How we were prepared, react and mitigate going forward will be the next story.

Also worth pointing out:
UK 14 world rank population density 725 people per square mile
Italy 51 world rank population density 518 people per square mile
France 68 world rank population density 319 people per square mile
US 79 world rank population density 87 people per square mile

Those 172 million are packed in the equivalent area of Michigan, New Mexico and Texas
 
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I was assured by MAGAs that only "deaths" mattered.

7 day running averages:
USA: 827
Spain + France + Italy + Germany: 638
Kewl. Now convert that to deaths per million population.

Actually, don't bother. I'll do the math for you.

United States - 2.5
Spain + France + Italy + Germany - 2.5
 
Everyone warned and knew the second wave would be bad since the first was not really in flu season, throughout the world. How we were prepared, react and mitigate going forward will be the next story.

Also worth pointing out:
UK 14 world rank population density 725 people per square mile
Italy 51 world rank population density 518 people per square mile
France 68 world rank population density 319 people per square mile
US 79 world rank population density 87 people per square mile

Those 172 million are packed in the equivalent area of Michigan, New Mexico and Texas
The population density argument is somewhat misleading. Those countries don't have vast stretches of sparsely populated regions like we have in the desert southwest. They also don't have Alaska, which accounts for about 17.5% of our area but only about 0.2% of our population and about 0.3% of our COVID-19 cases. The vast majority of Americans, and the vast majority of our COVID-19 cases, are in urban areas that are just as densely populated as Europe.
 
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